120 Nm update for the Bosch CX and CX Race Announced

I just did a quick test on the street and with Turbo set to 120Nm +5 Assistance, 750W and default Dynamic and it went off like a rocket and felt like it could climb the side of a house.🤩
Also tried out my Gen 4 bike in Turbo now with the assistance at 600% but of course still only 85 NM, it felt good but only up to 15 kmh after which I definitely noticed a big drop in the support. Supposed, I believe, to be the same on the Gen 5 but really did not notice it, maybe because f the extra NM and watts!
So I supose that those with a Bosch "#Gen4flashedition" (aka derestricted motor), will definitely feel good with 600% until 30km/h.

Question:
But Gen5 doesn't drop assistance from 600% to 400%/360% once it passes 15km/h?
 
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So I supose that those with a Bosch "#Gen4flashedition" (aka derestricted motor), will definitely feel good with 600% until 30km/h.
I do have that on mine and it still has a very noticeable drop in the assistance in that extreme test I did, i.e Turbo with 600%, it also felt good but you can really feel the very strong assistance drop off once you hit 15 kmh, but it does not completely go away until 32kmh, normally I do not notice the 15kmh limit.
Question:
But Gen5 doesn't drop assistance from 600% to 400%/360% once it passes 15km/h?
I thought it did but I did not notice it like on my Gen 4!
 
I suppose I should go ride mine up and down the street and play with it.
Because I have a blown out knee and don't get surgery until next month I can't really ride anyways but now I'm curious.
Personally I hate the overrun and being able to adjust that out in the near future is very appealing to me.
 
I suppose I should go ride mine up and down the street and play with it.
Because I have a blown out knee and don't get surgery until next month I can't really ride anyways but now I'm curious.
Personally I hate the overrun and being able to adjust that out in the near future is very appealing to me.
Adjusting the overrun is what I’m looking forward too, in emtb plus when I screw up, remain screwed up for 2 metres and it gets messy😀
 
Want more power, adjustable overrun, better traction control, navigation, boost function, timely updates without delete/redownloading app.

It’s like you guys want the avinox without saying you want the avinox 😂. Come to the dark side. It’s fun and apparently driving the prices down per specialized.
 
Want more power, adjustable overrun, better traction control, navigation, boost function, timely updates without delete/redownloading app.

It’s like you guys want the avinox without saying you want the avinox 😂. Come to the dark side. It’s fun and apparently driving the prices down per specialized.
Yeah I do wanna switch to DJI setup but just waiting for the right bike, Orbea rise or propain shresh, something like sub 19kg with a smaller battery and I will be all over it but gotta do with bosch to next year.
 
Yeah I do wanna switch to DJI setup but just waiting for the right bike, Orbea rise or propain shresh, something like sub 19kg with a smaller battery and I will be all over it but gotta do with bosch to next year.
Bosch may have something for next year that’ll make you change your mind! We can all hope at least. I’d be stoked to go back to Bosch, but I truly feel the avinox is just superior in almost every way to me right now (having ridden and owned both with the most time on Bosch). It literally already has what you guys are all asking for.
 
Went out and tested various settings post update today…very interesting results, both for what’s fastest on some tight forest trails and what impact on battery life is like…

 
I'm 6 hours in time since the update. But probably 20 mins max in emtb+ running full 120nm+ + settings.

If you dont want to put effort into the ride and dribble a low cadence along at high power then 600% will be for you. If,like me, you want to ride with a combo of leg and motor power and high cadence the the 600% doesnt feel any different.

Blasting up a hill chasing gen 1 dji guys on turbo the 120nm/600% bridges the speed gap about half but doesnt fully close it. Dji gen 1 is still faster uphill.

I did find the 120nm/600w useful for low cadence ultra steep tech climbing. That low down grunt combined with a higher gear allowed for "crawling" type power up and over tech bikes that you would formally spin on.

I did a full pace dh run full power mode that was mostly below motor cut out. The boosts get out of corners was fun. I didn't loose any time to the dji guys on the down until we ran past 32kph, since they have 45kph cut out they pull away on the flatter high speed sections.

All in all its a worthwhile update. But if you are a power slut then you still wont be looking at bosch because its still a step change lower in power.
 
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Post 2.0 update.... first ride since but overal got about 300kms on my gen 5 Rail+ ( gen 5 bosch)

Was Out riding today, Chilly day and not pushing the motor hard(was in tour+)
Motor Shut off but I turned back on and was fine for rest of ride?
At the time was actually crossing the road between trail sections

Motor was cold etc so not sure what happend?
Bikes not been in rain etc and has the Secure bolt screwed in for battery.

I've seen 2 others have this issue aswell?
 
You can feel the extra assistance from 400% to 600% in 100nm at low cadence, but for me the 120nm makes zero difference. I went up some pretty steep climbs in the Peak District yesterday and just couldn't feel any difference at all.

The motor is also a little more whiney at low cadence too.

Strava times backed this up as I tried to get some new PRs but was a couple of seconds off.

I am 100% convinced that the 120nm is just a marketing ploy and shall we say some selective math by Bosch.
 
I tried mine the other night. I never bothered with the 100nm so have been running 85nm in every mode.
I just adjusted turbo to 120 and maxed all the adjusters.
Techs climbs in rocks and in woods were so much easier, flew up them. You can feel it pulling like a train from low cadence but it definitely tails off as your speed increases. Perfect really for when you actually need it.
On very tricky sections the momentum takes you over it, very much like an Amflow motor.
On an open stretch it’s a lot less noticeable as you blow through the 120assistance bit quickly and it tails off.
Impressively smooth and seems to find grip well, but it was fairly dry.
As a downside I think it makes techy climbs a bit too easy and less challenging. It also feels a bit like you’re just turning the peddles rather than putting in effort, again a bit like the Amflow motor.
On very steep stuff you had to fight a lot to stop if wheeling too but I suppose you could fine tune the power a bit to reduce that.
Just buy a volspeed,gets rid of the awful pullback at 16 mph,and you get assistance up to 28 mph,yes it does use more battery,but with careful battery management,you use around 10% more,best £200 ive ever spent!
 
Still no update in Sunny South Africa unless someone can advise otherwise, I've tried all the uninstalling and reinstalling but there is no update available.
I have the full update now 120nm, except for the EMTB+ mode which is not available here for some reason. This was covered in the Ask Greg thread.
 
I have the full update now 120nm, except for the EMTB+ mode which is not available here for some reason. This was covered in the Ask Greg thread.
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Quote, summary by Greg Watts of Bosch notes shown on Flow App screens while / after updating:
@Arminius - danke, das ist ausgesprochen nützlich. Right, now I actually have something solid to work with. Let me put this all together properly for the thread.

Bosch Performance Upgrade 2.0 - The Definitive Breakdown @Arminius has kindly shared the official Bosch in-app notes verbatim, so here's the full picture clarified against what Bosch has now published:

The short version for @Delafuente: 120Nm is real, it exists, it was released on 4 May 2026, and if you can't access it, there are specific reasons why - none of which are the update "blocking" you.

Which motors actually get 120Nm: The full 120Nm and 600% support are exclusively for the BDU38-series motors (CX Gen 5 and CX-R). The older BDU37-series variants (Gen 4 CX and CX Race Ltd.) get the improved 600% support ratio, but not the increased torque.

So the BDU37 vs BDU38 question that was unresolved in my spec fence? Resolved. BDU38 = 120Nm. BDU37 = 600% support only, torque stays at 85Nm.

MotorDesignation120Nm600% Support
CX Gen 5BDU384Y✅ Yes✅ Yes
CX-RBDU386Y✅ Yes✅ Yes
Cargo Line Gen 5BDU384Y✅ Yes✅ Yes
CX Gen 4BDU374Y❌ No✅ Yes
CX Race Ltd.BDU376Y❌ No✅ Yes

The Trek Rail+ 9.8 XT Gen 5 runs the Bosch CX Gen 5 (BDU384Y), so it is in principle eligible for 120Nm. Why you might not be seeing it:

This is the bit most people miss. The eBike manufacturer can set a factory limit on the maximum torque - and in the Flow app, you can only set the maximum torque that the manufacturer has determined for your eBike.

In other words: the manufacturer must have approved the Performance Upgrade 2.0 for your specific eBike. Even if your drive unit is generally supported, the manufacturer may choose to limit or not approve the upgrade for that model.

Trek may not yet have released this for the Rail+. That's the most likely explanation.

The 24-hour delay: As the in-app message @Arminius quoted confirms - after updating, the over-the-air rollout started 4 May, and it can take up to 24 hours for the blue banner to appear in the Drive Unit section of the Flow app.

How to actually check: • Flow App → eBike Home Screen → top-right icon → eBike Settings → Components → Drive Unit

• Look for a blue banner below your drive unit image • If it's not there after 24 hours, the manufacturer hasn't released it for your bike yet

• You can also check via Bosch's online tool: bosch-ebike.com/performance-upgrade A note on wear:

The base value remains 85Nm; users can individually adjust anything above that in the Flow app. Full power means higher wear - not only on the motor but also on the chain, sprockets, and drivetrain.

Bosch are being unusually candid about this. They're not wrong. The bigger picture - Bosch vs. Avinox:

This update matches the torque of Avinox's M1 motor, but already lags significantly behind the newly released Avinox M2S, which is rated at 150Nm torque and 1,500W maximum power in temporary Boost mode.

Despite the added torque and support, peak power remains at 750W - Bosch are deliberately holding that line.

So: Bosch catches up to where Avinox was a year ago, while Avinox has moved on. The arms race is real and accelerating at a rate that should concern anyone who relies on their drivetrain lasting more than a season.

The full thread @Arminius linked has the community discussion: https://www.emtbforums.com/threads/120-nm-update-for-the-bosch-cx-and-cx-race-announced.46672/
 
Adjustable Extended Boost (overrun) Where is this feature located in the latest update and app, please
It was announced for the middle of 2026. There will be another Flow app update then.
Same goes for the drivetrain tensioner function - wait a few months.
 
I have the full update now 120nm, except for the EMTB+ mode which is not available here for some reason. This was covered in the Ask Greg thread.
Definitely available in South Africa. Take it to your local dealer. The Trek shop changed the config on my bike and got EMTB+ mode enabled
 
Want more power, adjustable overrun, better traction control, navigation, boost function, timely updates without delete/redownloading app.

It’s like you guys want the avinox without saying you want the avinox 😂. Come to the dark side. It’s fun and apparently driving the prices down per specialized.
When a decent manufacturer fits an Avinox then I'll jump ship. :)
 
When a decent manufacturer fits an Avinox then I'll jump ship. :)
The people getting fooled with the new mondrakers get me,its an 800 wh battery yes,BUT,its the old battery tech,its a big battery,the new avinox is 700 wh ,new cylinder battery tech,and more range,less weight than the 800wh battery of the mondys,so if you buy a mondy,you already have old battery tech.
Like you,im gonna wait,the new commencals are nice,personally,i think the amflows look bland,and fox 36,s?
Seriously!
They need a better choice of frame colour for a start.
 
Question for everyone with the US Sofware... Is the support at 600% now available up to 20 mp/h, or like in the EU version, only up to 15 kp/h?
 
?? So just to be clear... are you saying that on the US software the bike still pulls hard with full support all the way up to 20 mph, or are you saying you don’t really notice the new 600% support at all?
 
I'm saying i'm not seeing the second part of the update.
600% support corresponds to +5 assistance (in EMBT+ and Turbo, at least), and is already available in the “first part” of the 2.0 performance update.
The 120Nm option is only available after you complete the “second part” of the update (after 24h, through log off/ login in the Flow app, or through other alternatives such as cache/ app deleting and reinstalling…)
 
Question for everyone with the US Sofware... Is the support at 600% now available up to 20 mp/h, or like in the EU version, only up to 15 kp/h?
As far as I can tell on my Gen 4 with the US firmware (I don't have it on my Gen 5) when I tested in Turbo with 600% assist there was a very noticeable drop off in assistance at 15 kmh, my guess is it went back to default for the remaining assist up to 32kmh (20mph). It looks like as per the info from Bosch the 600% is only good till 15kmh and assume the same for real US located bikes.
 
Okay...Thx.
What confuses me now is that Bosch’s own information seems to say something different. According to their official text, the US version should provide “up to 600% support up to 20 mph”, while the EU version is limited to 15 km/h?🕵️

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Okay...Thx.
What confuses me now is that Bosch’s own information seems to say something different. According to their official text, the US version should provide “up to 600% support up to 20 mph”, while the EU version is limited to 15 km/h?🕵️

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it's a typo. In some other places Bosch mentions 9.5 mph
 
The people getting fooled with the new mondrakers get me,its an 800 wh battery yes,BUT,its the old battery tech,its a big battery,the new avinox is 700 wh ,new cylinder battery tech,and more range,less weight than the 800wh battery of the mondys,so if you buy a mondy,you already have old battery tech.
Like you,im gonna wait,the new commencals are nice,personally,i think the amflows look bland,and fox 36,s?
Seriously!
They need a better choice of frame colour for a start.

The Avinox 700 wh is still only 700 wh... it isn't going offer more range than a Bosch 800wh battery. Its more energy dense, Yes. Capable of higher discharge rate, Yes. More range, No.

More than likely the average riders is going to get less range on the Avinox system, between higher assist ratio and power.
 
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