Mondraker Zendit Avinox

[Endorium]

I’m not sure what all the bs is about sizing , if your going by the geo chart rather than actual reality/ riding it then the M/L is almost the same as all other Larges ….. with the exception of maybe being slightly longer.

It’s more to do with if you prefer a smaller bike over something larger which is the same decision you need to make on any bike…..

I’m 184cm (actually 184.5 lol) so always in between sizes but I hate big bike so always choose a large as I want to feel fast and throwable.
I had an XL Amflow for a weekend and didn’t get on with it as it felt so long especially out front (I’m long legged rather than in the body)
So ended up with a large which was fine , slightly small but definitely not cramped and great fun.
I then sold it and got a Forbidden Druid core in an S3 which again was spot and anything bigger would have felt massive so for me if I buy one then it will definitely be the M/L as it’s the closest to the Druid.

Has anyone who’s tried the bike found it easy enough or anymore harder to pull up for jumps or manuals for example ??

Really like the RRS which is basically the same price as the Amflow PX Pro and spec is insane in comparison so as long as it’s still a fun bike when it needs to be for me it’s probably going to be my next bike…..

RRS weighed 23.2 with pedals in M/L
the new Amflow PX Pro in large was 21.7 without pedals

I had a go on a couple at a demo day at the weekend. Everything I have mentioned about sizing, was correct. Im 6'1. Large is ridiculously big. Wheelbase and reach. M/L reach was better but still long wheelbase. However dropper sticks out a lot. Because its an M/L you need a longer dropper. Kept think the dropper wasn't down.

I’m not sure what all the bs is about sizing , if your going by the geo chart rather than actual reality/ riding it then the M/L is almost the same as all other Larges ….. with the exception of maybe being slightly longer.

It’s more to do with if you prefer a smaller bike over something larger which is the same decision you need to make on any bike…..

I’m 184cm (actually 184.5 lol) so always in between sizes but I hate big bike so always choose a large as I want to feel fast and throwable.
I had an XL Amflow for a weekend and didn’t get on with it as it felt so long especially out front (I’m long legged rather than in the body)
So ended up with a large which was fine , slightly small but definitely not cramped and great fun.
I then sold it and got a Forbidden Druid core in an S3 which again was spot and anything bigger would have felt massive so for me if I buy one then it will definitely be the M/L as it’s the closest to the Druid.

Has anyone who’s tried the bike found it easy enough or anymore harder to pull up for jumps or manuals for example ??

Really like the RRS which is basically the same price as the Amflow PX Pro and spec is insane in comparison so as long as it’s still a fun bike when it needs to be for me it’s probably going to be my next bike…..

RRS weighed 23.2 with pedals in M/L
the new Amflow PX Pro in large was 21.7 without pedals

I rode a couple at a demo day on the weekend just gone. Everything I mentioned about the sizing was the case. Im 6'1, fairly typical height. The large was HUGE. Wheelbase and reach. Anything tight and twisty it was a real handful. Then tried the M/L. Reach was better, wheelbase still pretty long. But because its an M/L, you need a longer travel dropper, which cant be inserted much. Felt like the dropper as raised most the time. It gets in the way. So M/L doesn't make much sense either. It really is an odd proportioned bike. Only thing I can see similar that ive ridden is a bird aeris 9. That also felt like a boat in the twisties.

 

[Motohawk75]

I had a go on a couple at a demo day at the weekend. Everything I have mentioned about sizing, was correct. Im 6'1. Large is ridiculously big. Wheelbase and reach. M/L reach was better but still long wheelbase. However dropper sticks out a lot. Because its an M/L you need a longer dropper. Kept think the dropper wasn't down.



I rode a couple at a demo day on the weekend just gone. Everything I mentioned about the sizing was the case. Im 6'1, fairly typical height. The large was HUGE. Wheelbase and reach. Anything tight and twisty it was a real handful. Then tried the M/L. Reach was better, wheelbase still pretty long. But because its an M/L, you need a longer travel dropper, which cant be inserted much. Felt like the dropper as raised most the time. It gets in the way. So M/L doesn't make much sense either. It really is an odd proportioned bike. Only thing I can see similar that ive ridden is a bird aeris 9. That also felt like a boat in the twisties.

The only thing that is a disadvantage tho is the seat tube length but everything else is not odd it’s inline with most other Enduro based large bikes , at the end of the day there’s always a compromise, if you want short wheelbase then the new Amflow is great but you then loose out on travel and stability , nearly all the people that have tested that in a large have to have the chain stay at max which is then the same length as the Zendit but still it’ looses traction really easily on the rear , go to the XL and the wheelbase is longer than the M/L Zendit…..

The seat tube length and dropper insertion is more of an issue if you spend loads of time in the seat and like a straight leg when sat peddling , personally I don’t my knees are shot so I can’t straighten my legs all day so I would slam the 180 dropper as far as it will go and call it a day , Iain Richard doesn’t seem to be having any issues and he rides some pretty big steep stuff

I don’t see how a medium large anything with that geo at your height could feel like a boat ….. you said previously it felt to small ?

It just sounds like it’s the wrong bike for you want.

 

[Suns_PSD]

I just don't understand the obsession with having the dropper flush. If your seat height is correct why does it matter if it's flush, or sticking out 75mm?

They do this intentionally so that shorter riders/ legs can ride the same size bike and run a shorter dropper.

The wheelbase complaint is another one I don't get, once you get the Reach correct, the chain-stay length correct, the fork travel you need & the HTA correct, the WB just is what it is. You can't adjust WB without changing one of those correct geo choices listed above.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

I just don't understand the obsession with having the dropper flush. If your seat height is correct why does it matter if it's flush, or sticking out 75mm?

DO you mean slammed as low as it will go?

Because if its sticking out 75mm, the saddle can still get in the way when going down steep stuff limiting body movement. Droppers that fully slam and get totally out the way are hard to not have once you've experienced no restrictions in moving your body around without a saddle restricting movement.

The Zendit in L and XL has a high seat tube height to start with, and a dropper that cannot be lowered fully into the seat tube.

On S and M it doesnt matter so much.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Well for sure bikes with interrupted seat tubes are going to end up with 25-50mm less dropper post overall.

But still, the seat height is the seat height. It doesn't matter how much it sticks out. People seem obsessed with the dropper being flush in the frame.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

It doesn't matter how much it sticks out.

Doesnt matter to who? To me a low dropper, slammed out of the way, makes a huge difference.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Doesnt matter to who? To me a low dropper, slammed out of the way, makes a huge difference.

For sure one of us is misunderstanding, maybe it's me.

If the most dropper that you can fit on the Zendit, is a 180mm OneUp because of insertion depth limits, what does it matter if the One up Collar is bottomed on the frame or 75mm above the frame? It doesn't. The limitation is not the seat tube length, it's the seat tube insertion depth.

Unless you or others choose to run your seat height at a non-ideal height well below your correct pedaling position which is certainly a thing with these uber powerful motors.

 

[Motohawk75]

For sure one of us is misunderstanding, maybe it's me.

If the most dropper that you can fit on the Zendit, is a 180mm OneUp because of insertion depth limits, what does it matter if the One up Collar is bottomed on the frame or 75mm above the frame? It doesn't. The limitation is not the seat tube length, it's the seat tube insertion depth.

Unless you or others choose to run your seat height at a non-ideal height well below your correct pedaling position which is certainly a thing with these uber powerful motors.

I get what you mean but I don’t think that’s what Rob was getting at.
He’s saying that on some frames with tall seat tubes you need to be able to slam the post completely out the way for clearance, it’s not about whether or not the insertion part is completely in frame from an aesthetic point of view it’s from a stand over point , if you have a really tall seat tube to start with and you then have 30mm of seat insertion as well you’re gunna end up with the seat hitting your A-Hole ….

 

[ntm95]

To clarify, Rob is saying more drop is better.
Sun is saying the same thing essentially.
210mm of drop is 210mm of drop.
The problem with interrupted seat tubes is more consequential for shorter leg riders that then have to settle for 180mm or less of drop.

 

[Endorium]

Yep, my whole point with this bike and the sizing/design. Large is massive, m/l is better, but then you will have a seat in the way as it has to stick so far out. It was very noticable when riding.

I was lucky enough to try a short ride on the Whyte karve. Big travel avinox as well, but sized much better, and in my eyes better geo as well. Much shorter wheel base, and you can fit any dropper and have it low enough to be out the way

 

[ntm95]

Yep, my whole point with this bike and the sizing/design. Large is massive, m/l is better, but then you will have a seat in the way as it has to stick so far out. It was very noticable when riding.

I was lucky enough to try a short ride on the Whyte karve. Big travel avinox as well, but sized much better, and in my eyes better geo as well. Much shorter wheel base, and you can fit any dropper and have it low enough to be out the way

What's your inseam ?
At 6' I can run a 200mm wolftooth dropper on a m/l, but I have 34" inseam. Long legs, short torso.
The wheelbase on the karve is he same as the zendit.

 

[Endorium]

What's your inseam ?
At 6' I can run a 200mm wolftooth dropper on a m/l, but I have 34" inseam. Long legs, short torso.
The wheelbase on the karve is he same as the zendit.

The wheel base and the reach are quite a bit shorter on the karve. It felt it.

Inseam is 33. You must have the dropper quote a bit out the frame on a m/l. I just found the seat constantly in the way on anything steep.

 

[Motohawk75]

Yep, my whole point with this bike and the sizing/design. Large is massive, m/l is better, but then you will have a seat in the way as it has to stick so far out. It was very noticable when riding.

I was lucky enough to try a short ride on the Whyte karve. Big travel avinox as well, but sized much better, and in my eyes better geo as well. Much shorter wheel base, and you can fit any dropper and have it low enough to be out the way

The seat is not in the way for most people on a medium large , the standover becomes a problem on the large and XL when the seat tube is much longer , unless you have really short legs anyone at about 6 foot on the M/L wouldn’t have a problem with the seat when the post is dropped.
You seem pretty focused on the seat tube and wheelbase , if a longer wheelbase which gives stability and speed isn’t your thing and thats absolutely fair enough then it’s just not the bike for you, but for the most it will be hence why they’ve sold out already pretty much in the UK

 

[Motohawk75]

What's your inseam ?
At 6' I can run a 200mm wolftooth dropper on a m/l, but I have 34" inseam. Long legs, short torso.
The wheelbase on the karve is he same as the zendit.

Have you got a pic of it with the 200 dropper installed buddy ?

 

[Endorium]

The seat is not in the way for most people on a medium large , the standover becomes a problem on the large and XL when the seat tube is much longer , unless you have really short legs anyone at about 6 foot on the M/L wouldn’t have a problem with the seat when the post is dropped.
You seem pretty focused on the seat tube and wheelbase , if a longer wheelbase which gives stability and speed isn’t your thing and thats absolutely fair enough then it’s just not the bike for you, but for the most it will be hence why they’ve sold out already pretty much in the UK

Well, only 20 came to the UK in the first batch. Second batch is delayed (thanks to trump). Especially in the UK when there is far more tech and twisties and very little truly flat out alps style tracks, it doesn't make much sense. As mentioned the Whyte has everything this has, but much better though out sizing and dimensions. Also, it's a lot cheaper as well. I was surprised how much better the karve was over the zendit.

 

[Motohawk75]

Well, only 20 came to the UK in the first batch. Second batch is delayed (thanks to trump). Especially in the UK when there is far more tech and twisties and very little truly flat out alps style tracks, it doesn't make much sense. As mentioned the Whyte has everything this has, but much better though out sizing and dimensions. Also, it's a lot cheaper as well. I was surprised how much better the karve was over the zendit.

I live in the uk , there’s loads of decent enduro type trails and bike parks all over ? If you want tight twistie trails you should be looking towards a trail bike not an enduro in my opinion but each to there own

 

[ntm95]

The wheel base and the reach are quite a bit shorter on the karve. It felt it.

Inseam is 33. You must have the dropper quote a bit out the frame on a m/l. I just found the seat constantly in the way on anything steep.

Karve (large) is a 1300mm wheelbase, 482 reach, 647 stack. 445 seat tube length.
Zendit (m/l, which is large in any other manufacturers sizing) is a 1286mm wheelbase, 480 reach, 640 stack. 435 seat tube length.

More dropper insertion likely on the karve, as you say.
Better kinematics and f/r ratio on the zendit though.

 

[Endorium]

Karve (large) is a 1300mm wheelbase, 482 reach, 647 stack. 445 seat tube length.
Zendit (m/l, which is large in any other manufacturers sizing) is a 1286mm wheelbase, 480 reach, 640 stack. 435 seat tube length.

More dropper insertion likely on the karve, as you say.
Better kinematics and f/r ratio on the zendit though.

I've ridden both. The karve easily stood out.

 

[Endorium]

I live in the uk , there’s loads of decent enduro type trails and bike parks all over ? If you want tight twistie trails you should be looking towards a trail bike not an enduro in my opinion but each to there own

Completely agree. The zendit is more dh bike with a motor. Not an Enduro bike. That's how it handles. So that's absolutely my point. Bike parks sure, it would do well depending on the park). But I hate riding an ebike at a park. Thats what my dh bike is for

 

[ntm95]

Have you got a pic of it with the 200 dropper installed buddy ?

No zendit here. It is dimensionally identical to a 25+ crafty though, which I do have.
Or at least had, replaced with an e-dreadnought.

 

[ntm95]

I've ridden both. The karve easily stood out.

I've not ridden either, but you're casting doubt by saying some things that are just flat out wrong, in terms of sizing/dimensions.
I'm assuming you rode a size large zendit, which is more directly comparable to a size xl karve. So it would make sense that it felt like the bigger bike, particularly if you're only in the 6' range.
For the record, I 100% agree that more dropper insertion would be nice on the mondrakers. The flip side is that the rear suspension works extremely well, on the crafty at least.

 

[Motohawk75]

Completely agree. The zendit is more dh bike with a motor. Not an Enduro bike. That's how it handles. So that's absolutely my point. Bike parks sure, it would do well depending on the park). But I hate riding an ebike at a park. Thats what my dh bike is for

Your chatting nonsense im afraid pal, its not a downhill bike ffs it’s an enduro , you compare it to a bike with more travel and say that’s better , you say it’s too long but you think the Whyte again is better even tho it’s longer
It’s only going to be good at some bike parks but you hate riding e-bikes there anyway …. WOW

 

[Blue Spruce]

Well for sure bikes with interrupted seat tubes are going to end up with 25-50mm less dropper post overall.

But still, the seat height is the seat height. It doesn't matter how much it sticks out. People seem obsessed with the dropper being flush in the frame.

I think people just use flush with the seat tube as a simple indicator of being able to run a long dropper. People aren't good with the math/numbers part.

 

[Endorium]

Your chatting nonsense im afraid pal, its not a downhill bike ffs it’s an enduro , you compare it to a bike with more travel and say that’s better , you say it’s too long but you think the Whyte again is better even tho it’s longer
It’s only going to be good at some bike parks but you hate riding e-bikes there anyway …. WOW

It is longer than the karve. The zendit is designed to be an ebike powered DH bike of sorts. Shuttle runner. It handles like that. Fast, open tracks, be great. At bpw, wouldnt work. Too tight. Dh bike at bpw doesn't work either. At dyfi, it would work.

That's nothing unusual. That's what is is designed for. I personally don't like riding ebikes at parks. But appreciate some need one bike that does it all.

As also mentioned, Ive ridden both. Guessing you haven't. The karve is the better handling bike by some distance.

As mentioend I have a dj bike so need to ride them at parks(although of I ever go bpw, which is rare I take my short travel eeb).

So I'm not chatting rubbish. All makes perfect sense.

 

[ntm95]

It is longer than the karve. The zendit is designed to be an ebike powered DH bike of sorts. Shuttle runner. It handles like that. Fast, open tracks, be great. At bpw, wouldnt work. Too tight. Dh bike at bpw doesn't work either. At dyfi, it would work.

That's nothing unusual. That's what is is designed for. I personally don't like riding ebikes at parks. But appreciate some need one bike that does it all.

As also mentioned, Ive ridden both. Guessing you haven't. The karve is the better handling bike by some distance.

As mentioend I have a dj bike so need to ride them at parks(although of I ever go bpw, which is rare I take my short travel eeb).

So I'm not chatting rubbish. All makes perfect sense.

The karve is a 1300mm wheelbase.
The zendit is a 1286mm wheelbase.

And I'm not sure I would count bpw as a stress test of any bike. That's solidly mild trail bike territory.

 

[Endorium]

The karve is a 1300mm wheelbase.
The zendit is a 1286mm wheelbase.

And I'm not sure I would count bpw as a stress test of any bike. That's solidly mild trail bike territory.

Yep, hence saying it's more suited to dyfi.

Zendit in large is 1315. Your comparing a large to a m/l. As already mentioned, the m/l wouldn't work due to the seat. This is from my personal experience. A lot of people commenting that have ridden either sizes or bikes. I have. The seat in the m/l really gets in the way on steep terrain. Maybe 5'10 and under that can run a smaller dropper it may work. Otherwise, you need a large. Which is massive

 

[ntm95]

Yep, hence saying it's more suited to dyfi.

Zendit in large is 1315. Your comparing a large to a m/l. As already mentioned, the m/l wouldn't work due to the seat. This is from my personal experience. A lot of people commenting that have ridden either sizes or bikes. I have. The seat in the m/l really gets in the way on steep terrain. Maybe 5'10 and under that can run a smaller dropper it may work. Otherwise, you need a large. Which is massive

You’re getting hung up on labels.
The m/l is a large by anyone’s standards.
The large is an xl, and the xl is a xxl.

I do believe you on the seat post, those with shorter legs would find it not as nice.
The base insertion depth of the dropper is the same on a m/l and a large. Therefore the distance from cranks to saddle is the same for a given length of dropper.
I suspect the issue you had was a shorter throw dropper in the m/l.
As the large worked for you in terms of saddle height, you could run the longer dropper in the m/l, and have your shorter wheelbase.
As I said, I’m running a 200mm dropper in a crafty without any clearance issues. It has the same dimensions as the zendit in regards to the seat tube and insertion depths.
You appear to not be giving the zendit a chance. Which is your prerogative.
I wouldn’t give the karve a chance either based solely on aesthetics.

 

[Motohawk75]

It is longer than the karve. The zendit is designed to be an ebike powered DH bike of sorts. Shuttle runner. It handles like that. Fast, open tracks, be great. At bpw, wouldnt work. Too tight. Dh bike at bpw doesn't work either. At dyfi, it would work.

That's nothing unusual. That's what is is designed for. I personally don't like riding ebikes at parks. But appreciate some need one bike that does it all.

As also mentioned, Ive ridden both. Guessing you haven't. The karve is the better handling bike by some distance.

As mentioend I have a dj bike so need to ride them at parks(although of I ever go bpw, which is rare I take my short travel eeb).

So I'm not chatting rubbish. All makes perfect sense.

So now it won’t even work at bpw ….
Anyone reading this will clearly see by your comments that something doesn’t add up With your rather strange opinion….

Again it’s not a downhill bike it’s a long travel all mountain / Enduro bike and not as long in travel or wheelbase as the Karve you compare it to…. Not to mention being as heavy.

You said previously you don’t like e-bikes at bike parks that’s what your dh bike is for but now if you do go you take your short travel Emtb …???

Come on fess up im sure we’ve all done it before …… have you really ridden either ????

All the people I have spoken to who actually have a Zendit describe it as really nimble , plush fast with plenty of pop and perfect for the uk …….

Just seen your post from Sunday that said you had “seen” a Karve at a demo that day and you thought it was really nice looking , that you loved your Elyte so you “expect” it will be the same …… mmmm makes more sense now

 

[Endorium]

So now it won’t even work at bpw ….
Anyone reading this will clearly see by your comments that something doesn’t add up With your rather strange opinion….

Again it’s not a downhill bike it’s a long travel all mountain / Enduro bike and not as long in travel or wheelbase as the Karve you compare it to…. Not to mention being as heavy.

You said previously you don’t like e-bikes at bike parks that’s what your dh bike is for but now if you do go you take your short travel Emtb …???

Come on fess up im sure we’ve all done it before …… have you really ridden either ????

All the people I have spoken to who actually have a Zendit describe it as really nimble , plush fast with plenty of pop and perfect for the uk …….

Just seen your post from Sunday that said you had “seen” a Karve at a demo that day and you thought it was really nice looking , that you loved your Elyte so you “expect” it will be the same …… mmmm makes more sense now

Yep, zendit is too much bike for BPW. Lots of tight fiddly tech, it wouldnt be the best bike for it. Dyfi however it would work well. That makes total sense based off everythign ive said.

I have sold my whyte, now have a yeti lte.

Yes, ridden both at the demo day(karve/zendit).

All I suggest is riding both before committing. Hardly anyone has one in the UK, if your going off reviews, we should all know reviews don't mean much. Actually riding is the real test, which Ive done. At the end of the day I really don't care. But since you haven't ridden either, seems silly to be commenting on anything.

 

[Motohawk75]

Yep, zendit is too much bike for BPW. Lots of tight fiddly tech, it wouldnt be the best bike for it. Dyfi however it would work well. That makes total sense based off everythign ive said.

I have sold my whyte, now have a yeti lte.

Yes, ridden both at the demo day(karve/zendit).

All I suggest is riding both before committing. Hardly anyone has one in the UK, if your going off reviews, we should all know reviews don't mean much. Actually riding is the real test, which Ive done. At the end of the day I really don't care. But since you haven't ridden either, seems silly to be commenting on anything.

You haven’t ridden the Carve tho have you ?
Also my last bike was a Druid Core with 170 fork with very similar geo as the Zendit, it was perfect for every trail as bpw , I can’t think of one that’s so tight the Zendit would struggle on your talking like the Medium Large is about 3 meters long
I’m also not going on reviews but on people who I know who have the bike and that’s 3 as of now who all describe it completely opposite from you.

To claim a bike is no good for a bike park like BPW is just daft when it’s literally made for that place and such like.

As stated from the beginning you clearly like trail bikes so this isn’t for you.