Avinox M2

[Mario Antony]

I have an 840wh battery and a 280wh extender in my Levo Gen4. 1120wh is perfect for my riding.

Good.
IDo you think 48V gives better range?

 

[B-man]

Good.
IDo you think 48V gives better range?

The Gen4 Levo with the 840wh has a little bit more range than the Gen3 Levo with the 700wh. I think it's due to the Gen4 having more power.

I sure hope Avinox comes out with an extender or I'll be on a Levo again this year.

 

[Ribinrobin]

The Gen4 Levo with the 840wh has a little bit more range than the Gen3 Levo with the 700wh. I think it's due to the Gen4 having more power.

I sure hope Avinox comes out with an extender or I'll be on a Levo again this year.

i went from amflow to levo to forbidden. Battery is better on the avinox than the levo imo. i run both turned down and the avinox still lasts longer. I found the levo drained battery quicker than my friends amflow when we both was in trail. same weight and height.

 

[Rando_12345]

Do the levo and forbidden ride much better on descents than the amflow?

 

[Ribinrobin]

Do the levo and forbidden ride much better on descents than the amflow?

Yes, levo definetly feels more heavy and planted . Druids a strange bike to ride imo, but once you get the hang of it its a beast.

 

[Highland Wheels]

Yes, levo definetly feels more heavy and planted . Druids a strange bike to ride imo, but once you get the hang of it its a beast.

Yeah I'm just getting really dialled in to mine now, PBs every ride now

 

[Winford]

in general, higher-end SRAM cassettes last longer

That is what they say, but I cannot tell the difference between 1275 and 1295, and 1275 is the cheapest T type there is. My 1295 only made it 600 miles. No way im doing that again

 

[Winford]

electronic shifting and Shimano cassette... 12spd Di2?

Yes 8150 for EP801 motor

multiple shifts under load being a detriment to drivetrain life

I never use that feature, and under load it is always a single click at a time. Only time I hit the button rapidly is shifting while coasting setting myself up for a hard drive off a hairpin, or a steep climb off a sharp corner. So downshifting.

Shifting while coasting is their greatest feature, but sifts in general were smoother for me with Di2

I haven't worn out a cassette yet

Im over 9000 miles in the last two years with 1,350,000' climbed, and a 1/3 of that is at race pace. Im on my third EP801, 4 Rosenburger cables, 2nd battery. And I dont count how many chains and cassettes and rotors and pads I go through, if it needs it, it gets done. I keep spares on the shelf ready for repair.

So far the Amflow has been 100% trouble free. and 2.3mm wide 220 rotors dont even show wear on my MT 7s with 1600 miles and just changed pads. just the one 1295 cassette failed which was not anyone's or its fault, chain snapped that bent a cog. 400 bucks you would think id try and find out the exact place its bent and try and straighten it. But I cant see where its bent

 

[scooter_b3]

The Gen4 Levo with the 840wh has a little bit more range than the Gen3 Levo with the 700wh. I think it's due to the Gen4 having more power.

I sure hope Avinox comes out with an extender or I'll be on a Levo again this year.

I would love to run the smaller and lower center of gravity battery and have the option of an extender for the big rides but Avinox says they will NOT be producing one.

 

[Highland Wheels]

I would love to run the smaller and lower center of gravity battery and have the option of an extender for the big rides but Avinox says they will NOT be producing one.

Of course they will say that if things are still under NDAs

 

[Wojtek]

Of course they will say that if things are still under NDAs

Can only hope they wouldnt be that stupid to offer more power, less battery and no extender
They are too smart for that.
Hoping the 930wh will come soon as well.

 

[gido]

19kg PX Carbon 700wh battery with carbon wheels upgrade is my wish and they should make 1P 250wh 1-1.2 kg extender that way it covers all situations...

 

[Ribinrobin]

No 930wh on horizon from what i heard. Not sure on extender though the charge plugs moved there is still limited bottle space as with the old amflow so not sure if a extender would fit. depends on its design i guess.

 

[Eckythump]

Any info on Di2 and or Garmin integration with the M2 motor?

 

[scooter_b3]

I found Rob Rides first ride review on the Mondraker Zendist interesting as he said he couldn’t “talk” about the embargoed motor but did comment on the smooth power delivery. He’s rode plenty of Avinox bikes. Was he commenting because it’s noticeably better?

 

[Onetime]

I found Rob Rides first ride review on the Mondraker Zendist interesting as he said he couldn’t “talk” about the embargoed motor but did comment on the smooth power delivery. He’s rode plenty of Avinox bikes. Was he commenting because it’s noticeably better?

No, as he said in the video, he can’t give specifics on the motor, (how much power, how many watts etc) because of the embargo. After April 9th, everything will come out.

 

[Petrex]

We seem to know a lot already ?
Although nothing is confirmed until it is finally confirmed !

Name: M2S
Torque: 130Nm (150Nm Boost)
Power: 1300W (1500W Boost)
Picture:

Still need to know:
Acoustic drag.
Downhill rattle.
Any interface changes/new features.
Anything else .

 

[scooter_b3]

No, as he said in the video, he can’t give specifics on the motor, (how much power, how many watts etc) because of the embargo. After April 9th, everything will come out.

True and I get that but saying an opinion about a smoother power delivery isn’t very specific.

 

[xtraman122]

True and I get that but saying an opinion about a smoother power delivery isn’t very specific.

Right, but I’m sure anyone who was given a chance to access one early was told they couldn’t comment on it at all. Let’s pretend he made a negative comment about the motor in some way, imagine the uproar you’d see on forums with people widely speculating that they somehow “screwed up the new motor”, or saying “it’s worse, don’t buy one yet!” Much safer to just tell everyone they need to stay quiet until it’s out, we can all see how fast the rumor mill churns out juicy tales.

 

[still20]

Right, but I’m sure anyone who was given a chance to access one early was told they couldn’t comment on it at all. Let’s pretend he made a negative comment about the motor in some way, imagine the uproar you’d see on forums with people widely speculating that they somehow “screwed up the new motor”, or saying “it’s worse, don’t buy one yet!” Much safer to just tell everyone they need to stay quiet until it’s out, we can all see how fast the rumor mill churns out juicy tales.

Right, but I’m sure anyone who was given a chance to access one early was told they couldn’t comment on it at all. Let’s pretend he made a negative comment about the motor in some way, imagine the uproar you’d see on forums with people widely speculating that they somehow “screwed up the new motor”, or saying “it’s worse, don’t buy one yet!” Much safer to just tell everyone they need to stay quiet until it’s out, we can all see how fast the rumor mill churns out juicy tales.

I heard a juicy tale...

Apparently the Avinox M2 is so powerful it could reverse climate change, but it’s just singletrack minded

 

[Wojtek]

And i heard that when you start riding it, the earth will start rotating in opposite direction.

 

[Cyclopathic]

Doubt it. Reliability and options will always win for me. Unless you know of an extender for.dji?

I just bought my Shuttle LT because of the motor and it's reliability and feel, and for the modular batteries and REx. But I sadly suspect the OP is right, as your average consumer chases more power, even if it's pointless, barely ever used or usable, just like cars and motorbikes.
Like you, I'd rather see efficiency and range increase, and battery sizes/weights shrink.

 

[Cyclopathic]

I’m willing to bet not that many people in the grand scheme of things actually buy a range extender, especially on bikes that offer 800Wh batteries. Obviously some are out there, but I’m willing to bet the share of people that have a range extender as a make or break requirement on their list of desires on a bike with an 800Wh option is very small.

We see them be really popular with Bosch because so many manufacturers went with the 600Wh battery option for better looking frames.

You speak a lot of sense in your posts, refreshingly informed and objective!

I for one, like having a 600 battery for most of the rides, then popping on a REx for longer days. Or for really long days, switch to the 800 + REx.

 

[Cyclopathic]

Full linkglide setup too, ultra reliable.
We need 8-9 casette with BMX chains and resized derailleurs.
All 12speed aluminium crap is ok for mtb, not for E-mtb (plus it's useless, considering the power reached).
On another side, M1 on auto mode is far enough for me.
All i wish now (and need) is volume and mass reduction.

Super hyped about upcoming models in avinox for 2026 and later (and CVT plz).

also, the propain looks nice. We need more aluminium options (and also forged carbon, build in Europe / USA).

AND FRAME KITS PLEASE !

Totally agree! I bought up some remaining one-piece SRAM 11s 11-42t blocks and strong 11s chains, with a short cage Madrone cable mech, and it's much, much better. So yes, a 9sp strong setup would be good.

 

[scooter_b3]

Right, but I’m sure anyone who was given a chance to access one early was told they couldn’t comment on it at all. Let’s pretend he made a negative comment about the motor in some way, imagine the uproar you’d see on forums with people widely speculating that they somehow “screwed up the new motor”, or saying “it’s worse, don’t buy one yet!” Much safer to just tell everyone they need to stay quiet until it’s out, we can all see how fast the rumor mill churns out juicy tales.

Just like how Avinox plays it safe and stays under 750 watts
Pushing the envelope is what the good ones do.

 

[Eckythump]

Totally agree! I bought up some remaining one-piece SRAM 11s 11-42t blocks and strong 11s chains, with a short cage Madrone cable mech, and it's much, much better. So yes, a 9sp strong setup would be good.

Would be cool if SRAM would do an EX1 ver2.0 AXS Transmission. It was ahead of its time.

 

[Wojtek]

I just bought my Shuttle LT because of the motor and it's reliability and feel, and for the modular batteries and REx. But I sadly suspect the OP is right, as your average consumer chases more power, even if it's pointless, barely ever used or usable, just like cars and motorbikes.
Like you, I'd rather see efficiency and range increase, and battery sizes/weights shrink.

I am not sure about the average consumer chasing more power.
I havent seen any posts/feedback of avinox m1 ebikes asking for even more power in last 1-2 years?

What i kept reading was asking for RE, fixing rattle and removeable battery...

Never heard any anyone saying more power and less range

Im very hopeful about the RE coming soon, and also 930wh battery. But we may have to wait for these.
Read somewhere on french FB groul about 400wh RE at 1.5kg but when making calculations, it seems to be complete BS. I think we would look at least at 2kg. Cells alone would be at best 1.65kg.
Trust noboby and just wait for the 9th

 

[Cyclopathic]

I am not sure about the average consumer chasing more power.
I havent seen any posts/feedback of avinox m1 ebikes asking for even more power in last 1-2 years?

What i kept reading was asking for RE, fixing rattle and removeable battery...

Never heard any anyone saying more power and less range

Im very hopeful about the RE coming soon, and also 930wh battery. But we may have to wait for these.
Read somewhere on french FB groul about 400wh RE at 1.5kg but when making calculations, it seems to be complete BS. I think we would look at least at 2kg. Cells alone would be at best 1.65kg.
Trust noboby and just wait for the 9th

I'm saying with more than a guess, that there's no Avinox REx anytime soon.......

 

[Brawwp]

I just bought my Shuttle LT because of the motor and it's reliability and feel, and for the modular batteries and REx. But I sadly suspect the OP is right, as your average consumer chases more power, even if it's pointless, barely ever used or usable, just like cars and motorbikes.
Like you, I'd rather see efficiency and range increase, and battery sizes/weights shrink.

If the new avinox has less drag on cruising I’d guess it’s going to be more efficient. It also will have multiple battery options. Avinox currently has the lighter battery option and lighter motor. I don’t see how people can say the avinox is less reliable than Bosch at this point. I haven’t heard of any failures (aside from some people having rattle which Bosch also went through) so I think they should be in that same category of reliability until something changes..

The power of the Avinox isn’t that crazy. It’s better than all the other brands, but it is still usable. I don’t use my boost often, but I have a few super steep road climbs to get to my trails and use boost on them. They’re to the point of steepness that even with boost I still have to put in a decent bit of effort to get a nice cruise going up. I think people over-exaggerate this new upgrade in power. You probably won’t use it much except for on fire roads or road climbs to get to the trail, but it’s still not that crazy and I’d prefer to have it than not.

 

[Wojtek]

I'm saying with more than a guess, that there's no Avinox REx anytime soon.......

Then i guess no avinox for me as my riding style needs at least 900wh...
Im looking at the Cube stereo hybrid one44 Actionteam. Amazing components and can get a good deal for below 6k eur. RE available, bosch gen5.

I was "hinted" by the dealer RE is coming but you seem to be rather confident it is not.