Bit no bigger battery option or extender. Seems a huge miss. I have an Atherton on order that will come with the new motor. If it's coming with a 600wh battery as they hinted at, I will be cancelling and going yeti/bosch
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Ui. These bikes are damn cool. I love the carbon, metal mix.
It's too late, I'm sure it's a problem where you live but in my town many people have been complaining about "e-bikes" ridden by kids not respecting any laws and causing problems. Calling for legislation, high enforcement and banning in area's previously allowed. I've only seen a few people point out that these "E-bikes" without pedals, that barely if at all resemble a bicycle, huge motors, and top speeds well above any limits are actually just electric motorcycles. General public just doesn't know the difference and or doesn't care. DJI and other Emtb motor companies that are sticking to 250w motors no matter what the peak power are not going to be what gains regulatory attention but will be caught in the crossfire. I mean look at the ebike at the end of this video, us mtbers can likely tell something going on but you think the average guy not informed can tell it's illegal?
I do.
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martin_m_bo
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It gets worse! (see above)
martin_m_bo
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cry me a river
Singletrackmind
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I really like my range extender and it's great for long days in the saddles or doing laps at a bike park.
Since it sits in the water bottle holder, don't really notice the additional weight.
I get you guys are all angry about “unnecessary power,” but I think you’re missing a huge point here.
Theoretically, with this motor having way more power, it should be wayyyyy more efficient in our normal power modes. I’m stoked for this and can’t wait to see how efficient this motor is in eco and auto tuned down.
On top of that, we can’t blame Avinox. They’re just the first to be able to bring this power to market. Brose and Bosch will do the same when they can 100%.
Theoretically, with this motor having way more power, it should be wayyyyy more efficient in our normal power modes. I’m stoked for this and can’t wait to see how efficient this motor is in eco and auto tuned down.
On top of that, we can’t blame Avinox. They’re just the first to be able to bring this power to market. Brose and Bosch will do the same when they can 100%.
i thought the range extender for the avinox system is not avaible until today?
with that much ppwer and 600 wh, the atherton probably will be drained real fast, and it is full aluminium and will weight a littel even more. I mean it will ride downhill very good, but you do 800 meters of elevation and you have to fastcharge the bike. when goind somewhere a little more off, there will be no loading possbility and then your sitting there with an empty bike.
with that much ppwer and 600 wh, the atherton probably will be drained real fast, and it is full aluminium and will weight a littel even more. I mean it will ride downhill very good, but you do 800 meters of elevation and you have to fastcharge the bike. when goind somewhere a little more off, there will be no loading possbility and then your sitting there with an empty bike.
I can guarantee Bosch won't. They know it's pointless. Just number chasing. Give me reliability and options over power anyway.
I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Numbers sell and the market will dictate what Bosch does. If more bike companies drop Bosch for Avinox I’m sure we will see a response. Avinox is relatively new and thus far doesn’t have a bad reputation on reliability yet. Rattle for some, yes, but Bosch has had their share of small issues as well. I haven’t heard much as far as failures or anything that would drive people away from buying one.
There’s already rumors about another update from Bosch for more power and watts, to compete with Avinox and Brose. If they don’t do it, they’ll loose tons of business to the other two. As is, they already are.
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Which posts in this thread or elsewhere are "angry about 'unnecessary power'"?
Singletrackmind
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I heard from a pretty solid source Bosch is increasing torque to 120nm on Gen 5 motors and keeping power at 750w. They will be releasing a fast charger as well.
Highland Wheels
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No you don'tI do.
What do you mean? Multiple threads with posts about this being way too much power. And I do agree to some extent, but it should also be more efficient which is sick. Unless it’s not lol.
polymathic
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I'm not interested in more power, and I like range. But it seems to me some of you may be too focused on the battery size. That is but one variable. If the M2S is much more efficient (which we don't know yet, but we do know the M1 had a lot of drag due to a rattle that has been solved), it could increase range substantially at lower power. I'm hoping!
You said: "I get you guys are all angry about “unnecessary power,”
So I asked: "Which posts in this thread or elsewhere are "angry about 'unnecessary power'"?
Where is the "anger"?
That's what I mean.
Singletrackmind
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Like others have said, hope the new batteries are retrofittable to previous frames.
Bogdan_CH
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I see a lot of assumptions here taken as facts .
Not saying rumours appeared here and there but :
- being a more powerful motor outputting the same power as before ( like using only 50%) , the efficiency gain over other motors out there is really marginal >1%
- we don’t know for certain how much has changed in motor drag
- how much more silent it is
- how more weight it gained
But it won’t be long. Seems Mondraker is launching its new bike on 12th of April so full details should appear by then .
Not saying rumours appeared here and there but :
- being a more powerful motor outputting the same power as before ( like using only 50%) , the efficiency gain over other motors out there is really marginal >1%
- we don’t know for certain how much has changed in motor drag
- how much more silent it is
- how more weight it gained
But it won’t be long. Seems Mondraker is launching its new bike on 12th of April so full details should appear by then .
Mario Antony
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Bosch is not only focused on eMTB market has most brands are.
They have a bigger market, to which are ± faithfull to stablished motor companies.
The fact that Bosch has a lot of maintenance centers/shops through Europe, also helps closing the loop of manufactures sticking with Bosch.
But yes, DJI is pushing the envelop, and it's positive, to have manufacturs in arms race.
Big Power Usage = Range Reduced Dramatically.
They have a bigger market, to which are ± faithfull to stablished motor companies.
The fact that Bosch has a lot of maintenance centers/shops through Europe, also helps closing the loop of manufactures sticking with Bosch.
But yes, DJI is pushing the envelop, and it's positive, to have manufacturs in arms race.
Big Power Usage = Range Reduced Dramatically.
bmwpowere36m3
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Based on testing with M1 and competition that's not the case.... all motors tested fall in 77-79% efficiency range, with the standout Maxon AIR S being 81%.
I wouldn't expect any notable differences in efficiency with this update. I would expect it addressed whatever issues existed on M1 and you'll have more power on tap.
I know that no one can run at max power very long.
But 1300 watts of power, from an 800wh battery, at 80% efficiency, is 48 minutes of ride time.
Red Peekay
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I think that's the next big change coming... getting battery size down and Wh up... I suspect at the moment they are trying to replicate analogue bike sizings with regards to down tubes etc. It would appear they are now able to maintain the same Wh as currently on offer, but in a denser package, which means smaller down tubes.
As previously stated, it's no longer about "more power". All the current full size motors (Avinox, Bosch & Shimano) have more than enough power. What is now becoming increasingly important is "how that power is delivered & customised". I note with interest in Athertons second video where they explain why they picked the Avinox motor, that they felt the Avinox is way ahead of Bosch with regard to customisation but also in the "feel" of how the power is delivered.
I have an EP08 motor on my Norco Bigfoot, has more than enough power, however often it just surges when I put the pedal down.
Will be interesting to see the developments over the next couple of years in this space, and of particular interest how Bosch and Shimano react. It seems to me that they are stuck in a "traditional manufacturer update cycle" where they release a model and sit on it for a few years with minor tweaks.
Avinox appears to be in the "tech industry update cycle" which like Apple, DJI, and Samsung, release new models on a yearly basis. If the others can't keep up, they will be left behind.
The other point of interest for me is to see how DJI integrates with Avinox moving forward. Already I can pair my DJI Osmo action camera with the avinox bike and overlay all my riding stats onto my video.
Moving forward I can see a day when you pair you DJI personal drone with the bike, it will follow you at high speed down your track video, pair your chest mounted action cam which will sync with the drone (I currently have a small personal drone that follows me around on the bike through the trees, but not a DJI). Also wearing your DJI smart watch which will track and monitor your vitals (you'll probably be able to prescribe max heart rates etc and the motor will adjust to keep you at the levels you have set...).
As with the Apple model, once DJI/Avinox get all this going, they will lock you into their "electronic" ecosystem ensuring a lifetime of fealty and loyalty to their products and brands.... welcome big brother!!
Red Peekay
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From the Atherton videos explaining why they ran with aluminium and not carbon, it doesn't appear there will be too much difference in the frame weights.
Exactly
I've detuned my avinox a good amount down in all modes except turbo — which I never use, until tonight. Was exploring (aka lost) and losing daylight and kind of glad I had turbo as a fallback.
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