160mm custom linkage on the way for amflow

[SavageMTB]

I just received the new Cascade Link for the Amflow, will be installing soon and will report back! Anyone else?

I’m eyeing up the link as well. I have the Cascade links on my Druid V2 and Nomad V6. Both are great!

 

[Winford]

1202 miles on my amflow, received cascade link. Quality is very high. Only downside is sag went from 25% to 50% of shocks travel, went from 180psi of air to 250 to get sag corrected. So if you have a coil, you will need a stronger coil, and every spring calculator will be way off. Plan on putting an orange fox spring on my ohlins anyway.

 

[SavageMTB]

1202 miles on my amflow, received cascade link. Quality is very high. Only downside is sag went from 25% to 50% of shocks travel, went from 180psi of air to 250 to get sag corrected. So if you have a coil, you will need a stronger coil, and every spring calculator will be way off. Plan on putting an orange fox spring on my ohlins anyway.

How do you like the extra progression From the link? Are you running full 29” or mixed?

 

[Brawwp]

1202 miles on my amflow, received cascade link. Quality is very high. Only downside is sag went from 25% to 50% of shocks travel, went from 180psi of air to 250 to get sag corrected. So if you have a coil, you will need a stronger coil, and every spring calculator will be way off. Plan on putting an orange fox spring on my ohlins anyway.

It seems like there would be a lot of downside to this link vs the minimal benefit of 10mm. That’s a huge difference in air pressure needed for the sag.

 

[dreys]

1202 miles on my amflow, received cascade link. Quality is very high. Only downside is sag went from 25% to 50% of shocks travel, went from 180psi of air to 250 to get sag corrected. So if you have a coil, you will need a stronger coil, and every spring calculator will be way off. Plan on putting an orange fox spring on my ohlins anyway.

That doesn't sound right. Your bike will ride pretty stiff in initial stroke if you've changed pressure by 70 psi.

 

[cascade_components]

1202 miles on my amflow, received cascade link. Quality is very high. Only downside is sag went from 25% to 50% of shocks travel, went from 180psi of air to 250 to get sag corrected. So if you have a coil, you will need a stronger coil, and every spring calculator will be way off. Plan on putting an orange fox spring on my ohlins anyway.

I generally try and stay off forms for the most part these days, but saw this and wanted to chime in. That’s a massive increase. Expected is about 10%. There are two contributing factors that could be likely. One, something is up with your shock. I doubt that is the case. Two, to be honest there is not enough clearance between the bearing spacers and the stock link. I’ve seen plenty of wear marks on stock linkages. If the spacers were making significant contact that would result in lower pressure than expected with the stock link.

 

[cascade_components]

It seems like there would be a lot of downside to this link vs the minimal benefit of 10mm. That’s a huge difference in air pressure needed for the sag.

The pressure increase is only a downside for heavier riders that would then be over max pressure. There is nothing inherently wrong with pressure increase. If you designed a link with a travel increase and it didn’t also require a slight pressure increase, it wouldn’t ride very well.

 

[Rideit]

Thanks for your input! I have one of the new links, but where I live I won’t really be able to test it until springtime, lol.
I just wanted to give you positive feedback for jumping in, forum participation is ALWAYS a double edge sword, lol.

 

[cascade_components]

Thanks for your input! I have one of the new links, but where I live I won’t really be able to test it until springtime, lol.
I just wanted to give you positive feedback for jumping in, forum participation is ALWAYS a double edge sword, lol.

That is precisely why I don’t really frequent forms much anymore haha. I actually like this link more than a typical one on account of it being the first one in a while where it doesn’t feel like the majority of people that haven’t ridden it think it’s dumb though. At the end of the day we really want to make a thing that people can throw on their bike and notice in a positive way and reading the negative stuff is a fast track to getting burnt out.

 

[Winford]

wanted to chime in

Appreciate the help.

your shock.

I doubt I blew the internals on it with such low miles and no real abuse. It is the high end PL Pro shock. I did not feel a lot of difference when messing with low speed compression however. So ill keep it in mind but bike has been performing excellent at high speed. But I constantly was at the end of the shocks travel. And that was without hard landings but definitely fast through rock gardens.

wear marks on stock linkages

They were all perfect, and went back on perfect, no slop or drag or unwanted wear marks.

I have no real complaint. Id buy it again if needed to. The only reason im posting is even if its only a 10% change is sag, guys with a coil may need a new coil. I may need a new coil now. No fault of yours and if the new linkage offers a more progressive ramp up, that just means i can run it softer down low where I want it. And coil springs are sort of a crap shoot to get the perfect weight. So any and all good information is needed to help us out.

 

[Winford]

That’s a huge difference in air pressure needed for the sag.

Right. I probably had the shock at the low side of where it should have been. I have a Ohlins ttx22m with a 605lb coil due in 2 ish weeks. That will be interesting to see. Its not this new link that could have caused a 70 lb difference

 

[Winford]

At the end of the day we really want to make a thing that people can throw on their bike and notice in a positive way

Im sure it will be how can it not? its the cheapest 10mm ive paid for. And I use everything I put on as hard as it can be used. last two years ive logged close to 10,000 miles and climbed 1,300,000' in elevation on single track, and I ride with world class athletes.

This link should give me all the extra edge I need and want for this bike. 100% pro Cascade link.

 

[tengtengfans]

我最近基本不怎么上论坛，但看到这个帖子还是想说几句。这个增幅太大了，正常值大概是10%。可能有两个原因。第一，你的减震器可能出了问题。不过我觉得不太可能。第二，说实话，轴承垫片和原厂连杆之间的间隙不够。我见过很多原厂连杆都有磨损痕迹。如果垫片和连杆接触面积很大，那么使用原厂连杆时，压力就会比预期低。

 

[e_1]

Received Cascade link today.
Some pictures just for comparison between original and new one. I’ve tried the “29”” setting just to verify if there is some interference at full stroke (135mm full compressed shock length) and it seems to be fine. The only downside is that with this setting and with a 170mm fork the head angle goes down to 62,3 so I ended up going for 27,5” setting (63 degrees)

 

[Rideit]

Next up: aftermarket wishbone link with different tuning possibilities, and stiffer to boot.

 

[e_1]

1202 miles on my amflow, received cascade link. Quality is very high. Only downside is sag went from 25% to 50% of shocks travel, went from 180psi of air to 250 to get sag corrected. So if you have a coil, you will need a stronger coil, and every spring calculator will be way off. Plan on putting an orange fox spring on my ohlins anyway.

Different story here: to obtain exactly the same sag (30%) I’ve raised the pressure of just 10 psi (from 245 to 255)

 

[Winford]

I’ve raised the pressure of just 10 psi

So I started with too low a pressure anyway, and todays rde it was a little to stiff and i was still 15mm from the end of travel, so pressure is a hair too high, ill drop it 15 and im sure I was 15 low which puts me right in that 10% range

The link was nice, great addition

 

[e_1]

Received Cascade link today.
Some pictures just for comparison between original and new one. I’ve tried the “29”” setting just to verify if there is some interference at full stroke (135mm full compressed shock length) and it seems to be fine. The only downside is that with this setting and with a 170mm fork the head angle goes down to 62,3 so I ended up going for 27,5” setting (63 degrees)

Regarding the head tube angle there is a mistake due to having taken the misure in a rush. The actual ones are 63,5 in 29” setting and 64 in 27,5” setting. Mullet set-up

 

[skismith]

 

[Kenevo]

Received Cascade link today.
Some pictures just for comparison between original and new one. I’ve tried the “29”” setting just to verify if there is some interference at full stroke (135mm full compressed shock length) and it seems to be fine. The only downside is that with this setting and with a 170mm fork the head angle goes down to 62,3 so I ended up going for 27,5” setting (63 degrees)

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Isn't the stock shock 185x55 which would mean 130mm compressed length not 135mm?

 

[e_1]

Isn't the stock shock 185x55 which would mean 130mm compressed length not 135mm?

Cirrect. It’s 130mm full compressed

 

[martin_m_bo]

Amflow Gravity Linkage​

Amflow Gravity Linkage

AMFLOW Gravity Linkage The Krooztune AMFLOW Gravity Linkage is designed to increase usable rear suspension travel while maintaining correct chassis balance and drivetrain alignment. Developed and tested to improve small-bump compliance, mid-stroke support, and end-stroke control for aggressive...

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Key Geometry & Travel Changes

• +11 mm rear wheel travel
• +6 mm overall linkage height
• +5 mm additional end-stroke
• +3 mm higher bottom bracket height

 

[skismith]

 

[westcoastmtbr]

Surely it would be Cascade given their track record with various other linkages they have brought to market.

Cascade given the nature of what they do, and how they do it, plus it's cheaper here in North America. Not sure what anyone is thinking...

 

[martin_m_bo]

So wich linkage performs best for 29" ? Krooztune, cascade or dynasty?

 

[Winford]

So wich linkage performs best for 29" ? Krooztune, cascade or dynasty?

they are so close no one could tell the difference. only the 10 mm is noticeable and its slight at best

 

[dcxs]

Anyone running a coil with the cascade link? Happy to hear any impressions

 

[Winford]

Anyone running a coil with the cascade link? Happy to hear any impressions

The link adds 10mm which you do not notice that much. With the cascade you will need a spring 50lbs heavier. Im 190lbs and I run a 650lb spring and its just right in the middle range. The 605 was way to light and was bottoming out on fire roads. If you have a good air shock the coil is not a huge upgrade. But it does suck up the smaller chatter better, everything is a bit more refined. Id do it again if I had to do it over. But its not like going from the 36 to the 38, that was a pretty substantial upgrade.

 

[gaviotaflotante]

For px?