Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI

[Astro66]

At least the deposit is refundable, in the uk at least.

Yep. Refundable in Australia as well. Really relying on the pioneers to give an accurate debrief. Never bought an EMTB previously without a test ride. Not really an option here in Sydney for the Rogue.

But I'm not committing to the balance on the frame until I'm sure.

 

[losgatosgtr]

Question concerning fork choice: what are thoughts on a dual crown Intend fork the Infinity EN I believe? I’m used to the RS Boxxer on my Kenevo expert. I have hardly any issues with steering lock on tight switchbacks and I believe the dual crown Intend for is the same weight as the Fox 38. I know Velduro discouraged a dual crown fork, but I don’t think the front head tube area of the Rogue is overly wide compared to my Kenevo. What are your thoughts?

Any other plush fork suggestions? I have never ridden the Podium so have no opinion on it yet. I hear great things on the Intend forks and most of everything they make.

 

[sethimus]

if i didn’t got a deal on a flash i‘d probably went with the infinity en. it’s air spring is supposed to be even better

 

[Muff1tt]

Question concerning fork choice: what are thoughts on a dual crown Intend fork the Infinity EN I believe? I’m used to the RS Boxxer on my Kenevo expert. I have hardly any issues with steering lock on tight switchbacks and I believe the dual crown Intend for is the same weight as the Fox 38. I know Velduro discouraged a dual crown fork, but I don’t think the front head tube area of the Rogue is overly wide compared to my Kenevo. What are your thoughts?

Any other plush fork suggestions? I have never ridden the Podium so have no opinion on it yet. I hear great things on the Intend forks and most of everything they make.

The rogue at the moment is not rated for dual crown forks due to the certification for class 5 not being given however, this may change by the time the production frames arrive as I believe the application is pending

I'm sure velduro will update this on their website once they get the approval and hopefully say that dual crown forks are good to go

 

[Suns_PSD]

preordered also a large and got myself a 32h sidekick hub from the e13 black friday sale at 50% for it

Got the sidekick carbon enduro 27.5 wheel also.

I mean, technically, a mid or high pivot bike has considerably less to no chain growth, and therefore less to no pedal kickback.
Also, the additional HP chainring prevents a lot of that chain feedback from coming through the pedals anyways.
A sidekick hub makes the most sense on a high feedback bike. That's basically a high AS, non HP, longer travel bike. That's when you take the extra cost/ weight/ increased pedal freeplay; in exchange for that better rear suspension feel.
I went through all of these thought processes myself recently when putting together new rims for a new build.

 

[Astro66]

Question concerning fork choice: what are thoughts on a dual crown Intend fork the Infinity EN I believe? I’m used to the RS Boxxer on my Kenevo expert. I have hardly any issues with steering lock on tight switchbacks and I believe the dual crown Intend for is the same weight as the Fox 38. I know Velduro discouraged a dual crown fork, but I don’t think the front head tube area of the Rogue is overly wide compared to my Kenevo. What are your thoughts?

It will void your warranty. No one should advise you to use it. Not saying whether it will work well or not. It's just not a good idea to give advice in the normal areas of this forum, that voids warranty on such a newly released frame. Bit like the de-restricting discussions. But as said above. This may change.

Any other plush fork suggestions? I have never ridden the Podium so have no opinion on it yet. I hear great things on the Intend forks and most of everything they make.

I've been looking at the podium, after seeing it on the Rogue, but there are some issues I want to discuss. I've tried to discuss them in the Podium thread, but just get shot down as a troll. I guess sticking with what you know works well.

I initially was going to use the 180mm Zeb Ultimate. But am starting to be swayed back to the 180mm Fox 38 Factory, because I do want to use the bike specific tuned Fox X2 shock, and this would pair asthetically well with the 38 Factory. This was another reason I was looking at the Podium.

The bike comes in black and gold, so it does lend itself to Fox. Though I will be modifying the decals and build components to add a large portion of lavender/purple, or red if I use the Zeb.

 

[Durrti]

I mean, technically, a mid or high pivot bike has considerably less to no chain growth, and therefore less to no pedal kickback.
Also, the additional HP chainring prevents a lot of that chain feedback from coming through the pedals anyways.
A sidekick hub makes the most sense on a high feedback bike. That's basically a high AS, non HP, longer travel bike. That's when you take the extra cost/ weight/ increased pedal freeplay; in exchange for that better rear suspension feel.
I went through all of these thought processes myself recently when putting together new rims for a new build.

I haven’t felt any pedal kickback yet on my rogue. Had an O-chain on the Crestline and both feel the same in terms of kickback.

 

[Astro66]

I haven’t felt any pedal kickback yet on my rogue. Had an O-chain on the Crestline and both feel the same in terms of kickback.

What's your hub engagement points ? I was just going to run a lower engagement points hub. Somewhere around 30 point. So giving about 12 degrees of freeplay.

 

[losgatosgtr]

It will void your warranty. No one should advise you to use it. Not saying whether it will work well or not. It's just not a good idea to give advice in the normal areas of this forum, that voids warranty on such a newly released frame. Bit like the de-restricting discussions. But as said above. This may change.

I've been looking at the podium, after seeing it on the Rogue, but there are some issues I want to discuss. I've tried to discuss them in the Podium thread, but just get shot down as a troll. I guess sticking with what you know works well.

I initially was going to use the 180mm Zeb Ultimate. But am starting to be swayed back to the 180mm Fox 38 Factory, because I do want to use the bike specific tuned Fox X2 shock, and this would pair asthetically well with the 38 Factory. This was another reason I was looking at the Podium.

The bike comes in black and gold, so it does lend itself to Fox. Though I will be modifying the decals and build components to add a large portion of lavender/purple, or red if I use the

I see a handful of riders using dual crown forks on their Bullits and the Bullit front end looks pretty similar in size to the Velduro. The Intend dual crown is not considered a “downhill” fork according to Intend just a more laterally stiff larger travel enduro fork with fairly easy travel adjustment.

Regarding the sidekick, Rob mentioned they were a game changer so I listened to him, saw the big sale being published, and that triggered an impulse purchase…lol

If you believe the marketing on the Sidekick, the hub has an adjustable dead band, the hub is apparently near silent in operation, provides extremely low rolling resistance or drag, hub design provides increased lateral stiffness of wheel, allows unencumbered suspension movement… A bunch of other marketing stuff that can be read. Also, the sidekick wheel assembly with the low profile carbon rim, kind of emulates the zipp 3Zero moto wheel, I believe, and the benefits of that. I could be wrong here, but the rim profile kind of reminds me of that.

 

[Durrti]

What's your hub engagement points ? I was just going to run a lower engagement points hub. Somewhere around 30 point. So giving about 12 degrees of freeplay.

I’m running Project321 they are 1.25 degrees 288 points of engagement.

 

[CarolinaCrawler]

Nice.

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Did you put the Maven Base brakes on there? You seem to really like those. I'm interested in them currently.

 

[slickrock]

For folks who own, have pre-ordered, or very seriously considering, are you doing 170mm or 180mm with MX setup (progressive or not)? 36mm or 38mm (lightness/flex vs rigid/less friction)? Brand less important, but specify if you like. I'm coming from a 190mm Zeb on my Sonni with 200mm rear travel ( looking for a bit of differentiation as I'll have both in my arsonal).

 

[2supple]

Running anything but a 38 or Zeb on a full power ebike makes zero sense to me.

 

[Astro66]

I’m running Project321 they are 1.25 degrees 288 points of engagement.

Well if there is any kickback, you are going to feel it on that hub. Ta.

 

[sethimus]

For folks who own, have pre-ordered, or very seriously considering, are you doing 170mm or 180mm with MX setup (progressive or not)? 36mm or 38mm (lightness/flex vs rigid/less friction)? Brand less important, but specify if you like. I'm coming from a 190mm Zeb on my Sonni with 200mm rear travel ( looking for a bit of differentiation as I'll have both in my arsonal).

probably 175mm, that’s the same axle to crown length (584mm) on an intend than the first geo table was based on (released by spoke magazine). being able to adjust travel by 1mm has its advantages

 

[Mikects]

Running anything but a 38 or Zeb on a full power ebike makes zero sense to me.

Ill let you know in a few weeks.....

 

[cozzy]

Question concerning fork choice: what are thoughts on a dual crown Intend fork the Infinity EN I believe? I’m used to the RS Boxxer on my Kenevo expert. I have hardly any issues with steering lock on tight switchbacks and I believe the dual crown Intend for is the same weight as the Fox 38. I know Velduro discouraged a dual crown fork, but I don’t think the front head tube area of the Rogue is overly wide compared to my Kenevo. What are your thoughts?

Any other plush fork suggestions? I have never ridden the Podium so have no opinion on it yet. I hear great things on the Intend forks and most of everything they make.

Im hoping to use a 190mm 40. Same a2c as a 170mm conventional fork.
The crown offset makes a big difference to the available steering lock.
The old boxxer with either 0 or 10mm were fairly poor.
The 40 has 18mm in the crown, the the other 34mm in the lowers and has plenty of lock.
So its worth checking crown offset on anything you are considering.

 

[losgatosgtr]

Im hoping to use a 190mm 40. Same a2c as a 170mm conventional fork.
The crown offset makes a big difference to the available steering lock.
The old boxxer with either 0 or 10mm were fairly poor.
The 40 has 18mm in the crown, the the other 34mm in the lowers and has plenty of lock.
So it’s worth checking crown offset on anything you are considering.

Thank you so much for that information. I didn’t realize that.

I am definitely intrigued by the potential of using a Fox 40. I didn’t really even consider it based on the weight. Can you please tell me more or explain some of the behavior, benefits or special handling characteristics that the Fox 40 would provide over something like a Fox 38 or Podium or the like.

 

[tdibble]

Did you put the Maven Base brakes on there? You seem to really like those. I'm interested in them currently.

It has SRAM Maven Silvers it has almost identical spec to the stock Rogue R.

 

[sethimus]

Thank you so much for that information. I didn’t realize that.

I am definitely intrigued by the potential of using a Fox 40. I didn’t really even consider it based on the weight. Can you please tell me more or explain some of the behavior, benefits or special handling characteristics that the Fox 40 would provide over something like a Fox 38 or Podium or the like.

look at what rob just build with his nicolai, but that one has 180mm in the rear. i‘d rather go with the intend, weight is less and the travel more balanced with the rear

 

[Muff1tt]

Thank you so much for that information. I didn’t realize that.

I am definitely intrigued by the potential of using a Fox 40. I didn’t really even consider it based on the weight. Can you please tell me more or explain some of the behavior, benefits or special handling characteristics that the Fox 40 would provide over something like a Fox 38 or Podium or the like.

Watch robs latest video on the Nicolai bike.... He weighs the fox 40 and a podium and it's only 50g heavier...,.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

look at what rob just build with his nicolai, but that one has 180mm in the rear. i‘d rather go with the intend, weight is less and the travel more balanced with the rear

190mm rear, but close enough! The INtend looks real nice. I looked at that too, but was limited by headtube length (Nicolai has 140mm). The Velduro has a much shorter headtube.

 

[sethimus]

190mm rear, but close enough! The INtend looks real nice. I looked at that too, but was limited by headtube length (Nicolai has 140mm). The Velduro has a much shorter headtube.

they state 145mm max WITH both headsets, so yeah quite tight

 

[sethimus]

Watch robs latest video on the Nicolai bike.... He weighs the fox 40 and a podium and it's only 50g heavier...,.

the intend is over 200g less

 

[Velduro UK]

Please find below the new spec sheets with updated geo.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Weight. Alloy DT Swiss wheels.

 

[Dave Rand]

Please find below the new spec sheets with updated geo.

Superb! Puts the medium right on the money compared to my Large Vala

 

[slickrock]

For folks who own, have pre-ordered, or very seriously considering, are you doing 170mm or 180mm with MX setup (progressive or not)? 36mm or 38mm (lightness/flex vs rigid/less friction)? Brand less important, but specify if you like. I'm coming from a 190mm Zeb on my Sonni with 200mm rear travel ( looking for a bit of differentiation as I'll have both in my arsonal).

Based on responses to my prior post, I'll rephrase: Is anyone planning on a single-crown 170mm fork as a deliberate build choice? Cleary, if you are going with the whole bike (R or X), you are getting a 170mm. It seems most are pushing up to the 180mm but this will, besides the obvious of slackening head angle and raising the BB, also lengthen WB, shorten Reach, and slacken the seat angle of the R and X specs. Just wondering if fork length chosen was driven by geometry analysis, emulating prior bike configurations, existing take-off fork, etc.

 

[Durrti]

Based on responses to my prior post, I'll rephrase: Is anyone planning on a single-crown 170mm fork as a deliberate build choice? Cleary, if you are going with the whole bike (R or X), you are getting a 170mm. It seems most are pushing up to the 180mm but this will, besides the obvious of slackening head angle and raising the BB, also lengthen WB, shorten Reach, and slacken the seat angle of the R and X specs. Just wondering if fork length chosen was driven by geometry analysis, emulating prior bike configurations, existing take-off fork, etc.

If I were to purchase a new fork for the bike, I’d personally go new 36, ext, or Ohlins all in 170. I’m running a Zeb 180 from my other bike and do know that 180 is needed

 

[Suns_PSD]

I didn't think that you could even get a F36 at 170mm any longer?!