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Always ran hopes so never actually bled sram brakes before. Might try get a shop to do it in Innerleithen tonight. Or is it worth just doing myself if I get a kit bought? The powers there just the bite changes every few pulls.

Currently got 40mm risers and 20mm stem spacers. First few runs it had 45mm of spacers and felt so high and different compared to my analogue bike (transition spire) like to keep the set up quite similar so it’s less of a transition between bikes
I didn’t have the mineral oil bleeding edge tool for a long time so I did a couple lever bleeds to no avail. When I got the tool I pumped fluid back and forth a couple times. Then when I vacuumed on the caliper I pulled a ton of air. It’s been primo since then.
 
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Does the new Edruid have good water resistance? Have you guys wash the bike?
I never use anymore than the very occasional sponge wash. Usually let it dry with good airflow and sun if possible and then just use a brush without water. Never looks great but seems to help things when it comes to longevity
 
I never use anymore than the very occasional sponge wash. Usually let it dry with good airflow and sun if possible and then just use a brush without water. Never looks great but seems to help things when it comes to longevity
do you wash the chain? how do you turn the pedal to wash the bike? do you have to turn on the motor ?
 
Ok. I’ve asked about a bash on here previously. It seems e13 and their hideous spider with bash was the only game in town, but now I see this from SRAM. It’s integrated with the 104bcd chainring apparently. Other listings say it clips on which doesn’t give me a lot of hope. Has anyone seen this thing in real life? Sram sells it included with the ebike transmission groupset
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What chain lubes are people finding work well with this bike? I live in dry , dusty conditions and am finding that depending on how well I lube the chain , I can get a pretty bad “dry grinding “ sound before my typical ride complete . I have been a rock and roll extreme (blue) lube guy forever . Prior to this bike , i typically could get 2-3 rides without lubing.

I am not keen on the waxing process ; so seeing if anyone has had more luck with different lubes
 
do you wash the chain? how do you turn the pedal to wash the bike? do you have to turn on the motor ?
I have a bike rack. I clean chain with a rag then use rocknroll lube to keep it always spotless
 
What chain lubes are people finding work well with this bike? I live in dry , dusty conditions and am finding that depending on how well I lube the chain , I can get a pretty bad “dry grinding “ sound before my typical ride complete . I have been a rock and roll extreme (blue) lube guy forever . Prior to this bike , i typically could get 2-3 rides without lubing.

I am not keen on the waxing process ; so seeing if anyone has had more luck with different lubes
SCC Tech or the relabelled Wolf tooth WT-1 is my goto. I used to be a rock-n-roller as well.

I still don't have my eDruid, but it works well with my Druid v2 and other bikes. Idler bikes will always be a little louder but could be derailleur misalignment if it sounds alarmingly bad.
 
Ok. I’ve asked about a bash on here previously. It seems e13 and their hideous spider with bash was the only game in town, but now I see this from SRAM. It’s integrated with the 104bcd chainring apparently. Other listings say it clips on which doesn’t give me a lot of hope. Has anyone seen this thing in real life? Sram sells it included with the ebike transmission groupset
I'd argue that is as ugly as the e13 one. I would keep bugging Forbidden about it. No reason they can't release a motor cover that has a raised edge for light protection. Crestline did…
 
SCC Tech or the relabelled Wolf tooth WT-1 is my goto. I used to be a rock-n-roller as well.

I still don't have my eDruid, but it works well with my Druid v2 and other bikes. Idler bikes will always be a little louder but could be derailleur misalignment if it sounds alarmingly bad.
Gtk. In this case I think it was a combo of doing a poor job of lube plus riding particularly fine dust . It was a pretty horrendous sound but after applying lube correctly it went away.

I will take a look at those suggestions. Rock and roll isn’t bad, but I think I have to pay more attention to it on this bike than previous ones
 
What chain lubes are people finding work well with this bike? I live in dry , dusty conditions and am finding that depending on how well I lube the chain , I can get a pretty bad “dry grinding “ sound before my typical ride complete . I have been a rock and roll extreme (blue) lube guy forever . Prior to this bike , i typically could get 2-3 rides without lubing.

I am not keen on the waxing process ; so seeing if anyone has had more luck with different lubes

Wax is the correct choice.

It's not hard at all. You don't have to be as strict as the instructions, I never am.

I just start with new parts (but you can soak your used cassette and HP chain ring to clean them up), soak the new chain in mineral spirits 2-3x, then just cook my chains in the same old pot of wax I've been using for years. It's so much easier, cleaner, quieter & your drivetrain lasts so much longer.
 
Wax is the correct choice.

It's not hard at all. You don't have to be as strict as the instructions, I never am.

I just start with new parts (but you can soak your used cassette and HP chain ring to clean them up), soak the new chain in mineral spirits 2-3x, then just cook my chains in the same old pot of wax I've been using for years. It's so much easier, cleaner, quieter & your drivetrain lasts so much longer.
Yeah I think I'm gonna change to wax now, Cleaner and lasts longer from what I can tell.
 
What chain lubes are people finding work well with this bike? I live in dry , dusty conditions and am finding that depending on how well I lube the chain , I can get a pretty bad “dry grinding “ sound before my typical ride complete . I have been a rock and roll extreme (blue) lube guy forever . Prior to this bike , i typically could get 2-3 rides without lubing.

I am not keen on the waxing process ; so seeing if anyone has had more luck with different lubes

I use Dumond tech original chain lube. I have the X0 chain and it started dry grinding the first day but after putting some miles on the bike it's less noticeable now.
 
Yeah I think I'm gonna change to wax now, Cleaner and lasts longer from what I can tell.

Well you're in Scotland so it might be different. Where I live it's super dry and dusty and an oiled drivetrain just becomes a mess very quickly.
 
I finally took delivery of my S4 Core T3 model last Friday that I ordered in the end of may but only got one ride in last Sunday under some rainy and really muddy conditions. I changed out some parts (suspension, contact points and wheel set with tires).

First impressions are pretty good. Motor power is insane coming from a 85Nm Yamaha PW-X3 powered e bike. Boost is ridiculous. Short test with a double 30 secs boost took 5% battery. I guess I won't use that all that much.
Pointing this thing downhill felt really good as well. Not done with adjustments of the damper though. 35% sag seems a bit too much. Will try 30% next with faster rebound. Rear end felt planted but agile and poppy at the same time if you want it to get of the ground. It is by no means a fully blown enduro bike (although the geometry with a 170mm fork would be). In comparison to my v1 dread and v2 druid it is somewhere in the middle between both despite the weight normally helping the plushness. It's not a plushy ride like the planted v1 dread but in return more nimble and agile. I felt at home, even though I had to reduce 2 or 3 spacers below the stem when switching over the fork of my druid. I am sure with the normal stack height, it would be even more comfortable to pedal and in the steeps. I tend to agree with some reviewers after the first ride that the rear travel does punch above its weight class, but its not a 170mm equivalent either.
I am pleasantly surprised by the entry level maven brakes. They do feel kind of cheap but they worked really intuitively.
The mechanical transmission drivetrain works like a charm as well. I only think the shifter could be more ergonomic and a single up and down shift lacks somewhat...
Software integration is top notch. I don't have any experience with other systems besides Giants Syncdrive. Still fiddling with all the support settings and trying to find some eco and auto mode parameters to fit my riding profile.

As a german saying we tend to say "Not all that glitters is gold" when there are some bad parts as well. For me personally not being able to pedal the bike without motor supporting as an "eco" mode caught me a bit off guard. It does work as long as it is hard pack ground and relatively flat. On even light ascends the rider input screen directly showed wattage numbers above 200-250W. On really hard ascends that I cleared on the last ebike with some effort I wasnt able to hold the power long enough (500W+)... While this is a little setback I just need to adjust to the concept of the bike and run it in tuned down modes to achieve certain meters of elevation and range.
The first rideout was around 33km and 950m of elevation (20,5 miles and 3110feet elevation) with some tests in boost and turbo for the lolz... mostly in eco and auto mode experimenting with settings. Some quick ascends on turbo.. Used up around 60% of the 800wh battery at 5 degrees celcius outside (41F). We had a strong guy on a pedalbike with us so the speed was accordingly. On a better day without testing, boosting and so on, I think I could squeeze around 1600-1800m elevation out of the pack. I doubt that I get more than 1200m elevation on our terrain when charging in heavily ;)

So overall a really nice bike. Stock weight without pedals was around 23.5kg. Swapping out ZEB/Vivid for the Intend parts took the weight down by 400g. The Syntace wheel set another 600g. I am fine with just under 23kg including pedals. Thats almost 4.5kg less than the previous bike with only 625Wh battery.


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I finally took delivery of my S4 Core T3 model last Friday that I ordered in the end of may but only got one ride in last Sunday under some rainy and really muddy conditions. I changed out some parts (suspension, contact points and wheel set with tires).

First impressions are pretty good. Motor power is insane coming from a 85Nm Yamaha PW-X3 powered e bike. Boost is ridiculous. Short test with a double 30 secs boost took 5% battery. I guess I won't use that all that much.
Pointing this thing downhill felt really good as well. Not done with adjustments of the damper though. 35% sag seems a bit too much. Will try 30% next with faster rebound. Rear end felt planted but agile and poppy at the same time if you want it to get of the ground. It is by no means a fully blown enduro bike (although the geometry with a 170mm fork would be). In comparison to my v1 dread and v2 druid it is somewhere in the middle between both despite the weight normally helping the plushness. It's not a plushy ride like the planted v1 dread but in return more nimble and agile. I felt at home, even though I had to reduce 2 or 3 spacers below the stem when switching over the fork of my druid. I am sure with the normal stack height, it would be even more comfortable to pedal and in the steeps. I tend to agree with some reviewers after the first ride that the rear travel does punch above its weight class, but its not a 170mm equivalent either.
I am pleasantly surprised by the entry level maven brakes. They do feel kind of cheap but they worked really intuitively.
The mechanical transmission drivetrain works like a charm as well. I only think the shifter could be more ergonomic and a single up and down shift lacks somewhat...
Software integration is top notch. I don't have any experience with other systems besides Giants Syncdrive. Still fiddling with all the support settings and trying to find some eco and auto mode parameters to fit my riding profile.

As a german saying we tend to say "Not all that glitters is gold" when there are some bad parts as well. For me personally not being able to pedal the bike without motor supporting as an "eco" mode caught me a bit off guard. It does work as long as it is hard pack ground and relatively flat. On even light ascends the rider input screen directly showed wattage numbers above 200-250W. On really hard ascends that I cleared on the last ebike with some effort I wasnt able to hold the power long enough (500W+)... While this is a little setback I just need to adjust to the concept of the bike and run it in tuned down modes to achieve certain meters of elevation and range.
The first rideout was around 33km and 950m of elevation (20,5 miles and 3110feet elevation) with some tests in boost and turbo for the lolz... mostly in eco and auto mode experimenting with settings. Some quick ascends on turbo.. Used up around 60% of the 800wh battery at 5 degrees celcius outside (41F). We had a strong guy on a pedalbike with us so the speed was accordingly. On a better day without testing, boosting and so on, I think I could squeeze around 1600-1800m elevation out of the pack. I doubt that I get more than 1200m elevation on our terrain when charging in heavily ;)

So overall a really nice bike. Stock weight without pedals was around 23.5kg. Swapping out ZEB/Vivid for the Intend parts took the weight down by 400g. The Syntace wheel set another 600g. I am fine with just under 23kg including pedals. Thats almost 4.5kg less than the previous bike with only 625Wh battery.


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Nice review! Tell us more with the intend suspension how you like it? Which fork are you using ? Any noticeable/negative attributes of the torsional flex compared to the zeb (if you used it at all in stock guise). I am about to purchase one for mine in the next few weeks and still debating between edge and flash 35 , though leaning towards the f35

I agree that less sag has been overall better for me, even with “just 140mm”. I have been meaning to ask why forbidden recommends the 32-35%, as it tends to be less supportive and more “absorb everything “. I do found with the stock super deluxe that adding compression (combo given it’s the select plus for me) on flowier jump trails makes a significant difference . However , getting in the rough, I prefer the traction of mostly open compression.

And I also agree that this feels like more than stated travel plus with the two, it’s just a hard charging bike (especially running a 170mm fork atm). I think the only place my 170/170 Kenevo sl is better is the really rough, fast , steeps where the suspension travel has an advantage. Strava times confirm that theory, but it could also be the rider talent any given day 😆
 
Well you're in Scotland so it might be different. Where I live it's super dry and dusty and an oiled drivetrain just becomes a mess very quickly.
Dunno how it would hold up to wet/muddy rides tbf but I've wanted to try it for a while. My deviate gets super noisy really quickly with the Idler as does the Forbidden from the rides I've had so keen to see how it actually stands up
 
Nice review! Tell us more with the intend suspension how you like it? Which fork are you using ? Any noticeable/negative attributes of the torsional flex compared to the zeb (if you used it at all in stock guise). I am about to purchase one for mine in the next few weeks and still debating between edge and flash 35 , though leaning towards the f35

I agree that less sag has been overall better for me, even with “just 140mm”. I have been meaning to ask why forbidden recommends the 32-35%, as it tends to be less supportive and more “absorb everything “. I do found with the stock super deluxe that adding compression (combo given it’s the select plus for me) on flowier jump trails makes a significant difference . However , getting in the rough, I prefer the traction of mostly open compression.

And I also agree that this feels like more than stated travel plus with the two, it’s just a hard charging bike (especially running a 170mm fork atm). I think the only place my 170/170 Kenevo sl is better is the really rough, fast , steeps where the suspension travel has an advantage. Strava times confirm that theory, but it could also be the rider talent any given day 😆
I haven't been on any mtb for the last couple of month really. Preferred to gravel a bit. So after not riding trails for a while I was surprised how good and at home it felt on the core druid. After some chunky trails you can feel the 150mm in the rear but not as bad as I thought it could be. My Giant only had 160mm as well. It feels comparable.
I am not sure about the sag thing. 35% feels plush more on flowy trails but on chunky terrain with a lot of fast consecutive it the rear seemed a bit overwhelmed and deep in its travel. I tend to believe it can be better with a little less sag with maybe one more token in the damper (gotta try) and a bit more rebound (hits might have pushed through travel with no time to rebound really).
I haven't ridden the Vivid with which it came initially. I might try it at some point. It did have a very sensible feel of the top. The Intend Monocoque does exactly the same. You can push the bike easily into its travel in the beginning of the stroke with one finger on the saddle. The Intend weighs roughly 330g less than the Vivid (380g to 710g with bushings on both). I am 95-97kg fully equipped and while Intend states the damper only supports up to 105kg rider weight and 500psi, I ran 420psi for 35% sag.. maybe 440 for 30% then.. So quite some room left.
Settings on the damper is 3 mode platform lever for all open, a gravel mode to counter some bumps and a lockout which cuts oil circulation completely and feels like a hardtail. You get a lowspeed rebound adjustment dial with no clicks (3 full turns) and a low speed compression dial with 10 clicks.. HSC and HSR are internally setup on the rider weight and bike. I am positive I ll find a good setup in the long run. For the first ride I am satisfied.
Fork is an Edge and used it with 160mm. Will try 170mm. For some reason the fork feels better with more travel. I had it on the DruidV2 for a year now and switched it over with 170mm to the dreadnought for a week of shuttle riding in Italy. Works flawlessly and is a whole lot more comfortable than any ZEB I used before (2.1 Charger Ultimate, 3.0 and 3.1). It has a lot of small bump compliance. It might not be as precise and does not have the torsional stiffness of a ZEB but I prefer comfort while charging more than the last bit of precision. Riders were able to send it for decades with 35/36mm stanchions, the hype around more and more torsional stiffness I do not get or need. There are a lot less cases where the torsional flex will be negatively perceived than the advantages in frontafter stiffness which a bunch higher on USD forks due to the massive uppers at the point with the highest leverage.
Breaking hard on bumpy, rough terrain or breaking bumps is a lot less tiring for me at least. For the ebike I think the Flash35 fits perfectly. No need for the Flash38, although it looks amazing ;) Maybe if you are really heavy, but I'd rather save 350g on the front end and still get a rather overbuilt and massive fork.
 
Try it with 28-30% sag, Rides a lot better.


Would say more supported but it's not a like for like comparison compared to the Vivid
 
No I have a Vivid but I was meaning it's not fair me saying what my setup is or how it rides compared to the monococoque as they are quite different shocks and I bet yours has more mid stroke support
 
At last, my Core has landed here in Oz. Currently being ride wrapped, in gloss, was really undecided between gloss and matte.
I've asked they bleed and massage the brakes.
I've also mentioned I'll probably take the bike straight from the shop to the trail so hope they have it charged!
Hope to have it in the next day or two.
For what is worth, I've already bought a couple of spare chains, will measure them up to what is on the bike (just to confirm the numberof links I've got to take out) and then run them through my special hot wax formula!
I'm a waxer.... not a luber...try telling that to non riders🤔🫣😆
 
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i would like a lot a comparison at the test bench from monocoque and vivid. Weight difference is amazing considering that monocoque has a big shape and chambers
 
Hi, finally my s2 core is confirmed. That means i’m a month or so away to receive my bike. Got a core3 because only the frame will remain, everything else would go.
I need your help guys:
I’m planning to Ridewrap the frame. Does the frame come with some frame protection? Is Ridewrap necessary? Should I order the full tailored or the partial kit?
any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
 
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