So why did all the other companies do the same? I don't ride with anyone who has interest in anything more than 600 I built battery wise. The fact that so many companies have done this and they sell very well, would say that's what the majority want
2026 Giant Reign E+ Megathread
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If the old range extender is anything to go by it will mane be 750 equivalent compared to a 36v Specialised is 42 v 840 battery just ordered a bike with 2 840s could not take the risk that the new reign may or may not be a bit more efficient
shame because it was so close too.Which brand out of interest? Guessing unno and DJI
Your in the vast minority. That's fine. What I'm saying to the people saying giant is making an odd decision . It isn't. They are just following the others since they are selling so wellIf the old range extender is anything to go by it will mane be 750 equivalent compared to a 36v Specialised is 42 v 840 battery just ordered a bike with 2 840s could not take the risk that the new reign may or may not be a bit more efficient
I've no idea of the numbers involved with sales of the different types of bike but I do acknowledge that Rob probably has greater access to cross section of manufacturers than most of us do. I work in a bike shop (Giant and Orbea dealers) and I know what we sell most of but that's a microcosm of the whole ebike market. Hopefully there'll continue to be at least some choice for everyone anyway.
I'd argue that Amflow have sold more ebikes than any other brands ebike model in the past 12 months. Speaking with dealers who sell them, they've sold many multiples more of the Amflow than other ebikes they stock, and other premoum brands too.
I think we are kinda on the same point here anyway. My point being, that any brand that isnt using DJI has a choice:
1 - Make a fat downtube bike (makes it heavier because more material, bigger battery) Trek Rail, Mondraker etc
2 - Make a slimmer bike, with a smaller battery, but nicer looking (Santa Cruz Vala, New Giant Reign), with less weight, but less range
My point really is that the DJI bikes allow for slimmer bikes, with big batteries (or smaller, as the 600wh also fits in the 800wh bikes).
I strongly believe that the brands are choosing aesthetics over function when making smaller battery bikes.
Here's some real world comparisons:
Crestline Spectre
1000w motor, 800wh battery, 180 travel front and rear, removable battery, fast charging, slim looks, 22.8 KG
Giant Reign
800w motor, 560wh removable battery, 22.6 KG
I guess my point is that you are not really compromising bike weight on the latest systems by having a bigger battery and more powerful motor. In fact, run a 600wh battery and make it lighter than the new Giant, with more powerful motor and the other benefits of the DJI system.
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I generally ride with people that have at least 2 batteries also they prefer higher wattage it’s different ends of the spectrum, Everyone I know that has bought a light weight low power bike has regretted it
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Being a 2022 Reign E+1 owner who constantly runs out of charge - 105kg - average ride is about 30k, 800m, mainly on 2 or 3 bars - I've been keen to see the new model. My Reign does everything I want it to except range.
But I've ordered a DJI bike with an 800 battery as I expect many people will - wait lists for most are now running in to 2026....
BTW - a new 800wh battery is 25% of the cost of the new frame with DJI, battery etc.
But I've ordered a DJI bike with an 800 battery as I expect many people will - wait lists for most are now running in to 2026....
BTW - a new 800wh battery is 25% of the cost of the new frame with DJI, battery etc.
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Wow - those prices are insane. +0 is NZ$21,500 with a similar spec to the old +1 which was NZ$13,000 - similar to the much lower spec +2 at NZ12,500. Guessing the sales will knock 20% off which will be what most sell for.
The Velduro Rogue R retails at NZ$17,000 with a spec similar to the 0, but with the DJI motor and 800w
The Velduro Rogue R retails at NZ$17,000 with a spec similar to the 0, but with the DJI motor and 800w
Do you not think that slimmer looks and big battery means the battery has to fill the tube high up affecting handling?
I know when I bought my current ebike, Whyte elyte, a huge amount can be said for keeping the battery and weight low. It makes a massive difference to handling. Maybe that's another reason for giants choice. Small battery that stays low will improve the handling.
Spec wise it seems they’re pitching against the Slash+ but price wise, I think they’re competing with the Levo 4/S-Works.
Strange choices in an otherwise lovely looking bike.
Personally, I’d be concerned about that battery at my weight, but I’m clearly not their target market.
Sorry but Giant, Trek or Spe, sell more ebikes in one day than Amflow in one year.
Amflow is a very small company and these 3 are the biggest.
Yeah there's a few good vids out - EMBN with Jonesy and Rob Warner is a good advertorial.
I've watched Sams Bikes' video and found that to be good, as he's less prone to just being nice - he's pointed out some flaws, but overall likes the bike.
It's the first time I have heard anyone state you can ride it without the battery for park days, too.
I just watched a Giant video (sort of staff educational type video that they encourage shop staff to watch on a portal they call GRA). It was a conversation with Joost Bakker (Giant Global Ebike Director) who led the design of the new Reign. There's not much in the video that hasn't already been covered elsewhere but he did stress that their design goal was to build the best descending ebike that they could and that informed the decision to go with the smaller battery both to save weight and to allow a lower centre of gravity. He also stressed that it's not a lightweight bike as such but a burly bike that's been made lighter (he particularly mentioned the long travel suspension and the new Maestro linkage on the bike). He did mention the range extender but also suggested that people could buy a second battery to carry with them as a spare if they needed more range. I'm not sure what shape the battery is but if it were shorter than the existing batteries that would allow it to be mounted low and keep the CoG down around the motor and would also make it more portable to carry in a backpack potentially (that's my speculation though, he didn't say that it was shorter).
It all sounds great but doesn't take away the fact that Rob mentioned earlier that some of the DJI bikes are lighter still even with the extra power and bigger battery that they come with.
I guess we'll have to wait for media types to actually ride the bike until we can truly judge whether it's a master stroke or a big miscalculation on Giant's part.
It all sounds great but doesn't take away the fact that Rob mentioned earlier that some of the DJI bikes are lighter still even with the extra power and bigger battery that they come with.
I guess we'll have to wait for media types to actually ride the bike until we can truly judge whether it's a master stroke or a big miscalculation on Giant's part.
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DJI system aesthetics with its very slim down tube is what that is making other brands appear one generation behind, not the actual power in my opinion.
While the new bike is offering some nice little innovations, I believe it's already outdated and will suffer from a limited target audience. The resale value on this bike could be very ugly.
While the new bike is offering some nice little innovations, I believe it's already outdated and will suffer from a limited target audience. The resale value on this bike could be very ugly.
I think the overall weight of a eMTB doesn’t tell the whole story about how the bike rides.
I believe, based on my experience, that the distribution of that weight is equally as important.
The difference between a smaller battery and a larger battery can be >1kg. This extra weight of the larger (and longer) battery is often located right up near the head tube, which is a terrible place to have extra weight for a variety of reasons. Most of those reasons relate to worse handling of the bike.
In my experience bikes using a smaller battery take weight off the front wheel, which results in a bike that handles closer to a muscle bike.
I don’t doubt that aesthetics are part of the decision, but I would also bet that a bike with a smaller battery has better handling. Because there is such a huge spectrum of rider abilities and preferences, the level to which people notice or care about this will be from don’t care or notice to it’s a big deal
I’m one of those people that chose a small battery bike for its handling. If I could have got the DJI with the 600wh option I would have, but it was not available when I asked.
I believe, based on my experience, that the distribution of that weight is equally as important.
The difference between a smaller battery and a larger battery can be >1kg. This extra weight of the larger (and longer) battery is often located right up near the head tube, which is a terrible place to have extra weight for a variety of reasons. Most of those reasons relate to worse handling of the bike.
In my experience bikes using a smaller battery take weight off the front wheel, which results in a bike that handles closer to a muscle bike.
I don’t doubt that aesthetics are part of the decision, but I would also bet that a bike with a smaller battery has better handling. Because there is such a huge spectrum of rider abilities and preferences, the level to which people notice or care about this will be from don’t care or notice to it’s a big deal
I’m one of those people that chose a small battery bike for its handling. If I could have got the DJI with the 600wh option I would have, but it was not available when I asked.
What I mean is that I think it’s likely that Amflow have sold more of their PL ebike than the Levo, Rail or Reign models (or pick any brand and find their most popular hero ebike model and I’d be willing to say that the Amflow has sold more than those brands leading model)
NZ website states that it includes the range extender on the 0 but is compatible on the other two models.
Different rules for different countries I guess. BUt I did also think the extender is only with the top model everywhere.
I dont think I would ever use the extender. Rather another separate battery.
From initial videos I'm looking forward to a demo on it. Battery can be changed in under a minute. It will support the bigger battery (840WH). It does seem like the one with more power (It didnt need more really), much more efficient, lighter and more playful. Being able to swap the battery and support the bigger internal one is a big leg up on other bikes.
I dont think I would ever use the extender. Rather another separate battery.
From initial videos I'm looking forward to a demo on it. Battery can be changed in under a minute. It will support the bigger battery (840WH). It does seem like the one with more power (It didnt need more really), much more efficient, lighter and more playful. Being able to swap the battery and support the bigger internal one is a big leg up on other bikes.
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One thing I applaud on this bike are stack figures. A major manufacturer like Giant going beast mode on stack brings tears to my eye. Others will have to follow, sooner or later. Seems like age of lower back and shoulder/neck problems for us taller folks is coming to a well deserved end.
PW-x4 motor supports the larger 840wh battery that is made for it. The new reign will accept this battery. But production of the battery isnt ramped up yet. It will 100% support it. Like the old reign that supported the 800wh when that came out.
This gives the reign a real advantage as all other full power bikes with 600wh batteries, they cannot be upgraded or swapped in the carpark. .
I didn't heard nothing even close to that, doesn't looks like a 840wh battery could fit in that frame as it is.
Hope it comes true
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It will, no different to the last reign. 800 fit where the 630 didI didn't heard nothing even close to that, doesn't looks like a 840wh battery could fit in that frame as it is.
Hope it comes true
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I bet the 560 is hollow in the upper part of the housing you see here. That's how I would get rid of the extra hardware like on the Specialized 600Wh pack and also reduce cost of manufacturing for different housings etc...edit: also with that a better structural rigidity is maintained for the whole system.
Yamaha have an 840Wh battery for their 48v link systems listed on their website:
www.yamaha-motor.eu
Like previous batteries, I'd imagine that external dimensions are all the same.
There is a 1.0kg weight increase for this larger battery which isn't much.
New PW-LINK eBike System - Yamaha Motor
Like previous batteries, I'd imagine that external dimensions are all the same.
There is a 1.0kg weight increase for this larger battery which isn't much.
