Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI

[slickrock]

Basically, some Rogue assembly porn of the kind that Rob likes to do, but informative in that provides closeup details of motor mounting, motor cover, and what I'm particularly interested, the idler design and assembly. [Edit/Deleted. Bad math on weight conversion on my part. A 50lb rig it is at least.]

 

[sethimus]

aren’t those exo tires too?

 

[nickf]

But the coup de gras is the weight without pedals at 46.1 lb!

22.93kg x 2.2 = 50.45 lb
Add another 1kg for proper tyres. Reassuringly heavy for a true enduro build!

 

[slickrock]

Basically, some Rogue assembly porn of the kind that Rob likes to do, but informative in that provides closeup details of motor mounting, motor cover, and what I'm particularly interested, the idler design and assembly. [Edit/Deleted. Bad math on weight conversion on my part. A 50lb rig it is at least.]

Something I missed that another member noticed on one of the the continuing-saga-of-DGI-motor-bash-vulnerability threads on the forum. The Rogue appears to sport a replaceable bashguard on the motor cover.

 

[JP-NZ]

Here in NZ Velduro just posted that the full Rogue builds are down to

3 Small
Medium sold out
2 large
1 XL

February 2026 for next stock

 

[HandsomeDanNZ]

Here in NZ Velduro just posted that the full Rogue builds are down to

3 Small
Medium sold out
2 large
1 XL

February 2026 for next stock

Plenty of time for me to win Lotto to get my order in for February and peak riding conditions.

 

[panaphonic]

A Rogue review. Sounds a bit noisy on the bumps.

 

[volts]

A Rogue review. Sounds a bit noisy on the bumps.

Hmm now it's not available. What channel?

Edit: Found it

 

[Snoggin]

Hmm now it's not available. What channel?

Edit: Found it

I’d love to go there and ride with that guy. LOL

 

[HandsomeDanNZ]

I’d love to go there and ride with that guy. LOL

He does lessons and tours in Rotovegas.
I’m going to see if I can get him to shake out some of my bad habits this coming summer.

 

[manuwen]

The beauty – before and after my first testride. It rides so well, and I felt absolutely comfortable from the very first moment.

 

[Lightme]

The beauty – before and after my first testride. It rides so well, and I felt absolutely comfortable from the very first moment.

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Is that the maximum insertion depth of the seatpost or are you just running a short dropper?

 

[Suns_PSD]

The beauty – before and after my first testride. It rides so well, and I felt absolutely comfortable from the very first moment.

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Love it. How does the rear suspension feel?

What's it weigh and are the tires gravity casing?

Thx.

 

[sethimus]

looks pretty much the same as the test bike i had

 

[manuwen]

Is that the maximum insertion depth of the seatpost or are you just running a short dropper?

It’s a test bike, so not all parts are original. The dropper post was very short, but I think you can run 210 mm in L/M and even 240 mm in XL.

Love it. How does the rear suspension feel?

What's it weigh and are the tires gravity casing?

Thx.

The rear suspension feels absolutely fantastic – I always compare it to my older e-bike, but the difference is huge. It works incredibly well, especially in fast sections.

Weight is around 22.5 kg but i didn't measure it.

I also filmed a test video from my ride with my first impressions, currently editing it – I’ll share it here once it’s done!

 

[Highland Wheels]

If I hadn't preordered a Forbidden I recon I'd be seriously looking to get one of these. Looks ace and hopefully rides as well as it looks

 

[Plummet]

I’d love to go there and ride with that guy. LOL

Rotorua is world class with hero dirt!.... get saving now. He did a sweet loop.

On a side note running out of battery shows how much the dji burns the battery down in its standard settings. On a 85nm bike we would of been able to get another climb and descent in and get back home without running out of battery.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Rotorua is world class with hero dirt!.... get saving now. He did a sweet loop.

On a side note running out of battery shows how much the dji burns the battery down in its standard settings. On a 85nm bike we would of been able to get another climb and descent in and get back home without running out of battery.

I really like this bike, especially for the money, but overall, I prefer the Bosch motor system with a 600w battery based on combing through and deciphering dozens of reviews and posts. It's the inherent Avinox rattle by design (much like the Gen4 Bosch & the Shimano EP801, it's built in), the 10-20% better Bosch efficiency, the built in Bosch chainring protection, the Bosch serviceability & some possible Avinox deficiencies in regard to torque or cadence-based power output. I have nothing against the Chinese, but I do prefer to support the EU as well.

I'm in the final few steps of having a deal closed on the new Antidote e-bike and the Bosch motor they choose was a key part of that decision, for me.

 

[Plummet]

I really like this bike, especially for the money, but overall, I prefer the Bosch motor system with a 600w battery based on combing through and deciphering dozens of reviews and posts. It's the inherent Avinox rattle by design (much like the Gen4 Bosch & the Shimano EP801, it's built in), the 10-20% better Bosch efficiency, the built in Bosch chainring protection, the Bosch serviceability & some possible Avinox deficiencies in regard to torque or cadence-based power output. I have nothing against the Chinese, but I do prefer to support the EU as well.

I'm in the final few steps of having a deal closed on the new Antidote e-bike and the Bosch motor they choose was a key part of that decision, for me.

Well that was left feild. Got any info on the antidote? I can find sweet fa on it. It looks sweet though.

My conclusion after a few rides with dji guy is that id be happy with either motor/battery set up. But only once dji is more represented here in nz and only if the bike has a removable different battery options.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Well that was left feild. Got any info on the antidote? I can find sweet fa on it. It looks sweet though.

My conclusion after a few rides with dji guy is that id be happy with either motor/battery set up. But only once dji is more represented here in nz and only if the bike has a removable different battery options.

I've got all of the info but can't share anything of value at this time.

 

[Plummet]

I've got all of the info but can't share anything of value at this time.

Ooh secrete squirrel .....

 

[Lightme]

Rotorua is world class with hero dirt!.... get saving now. He did a sweet loop.

On a side note running out of battery shows how much the dji burns the battery down in its standard settings. On a 85nm bike we would of been able to get another climb and descent in and get back home without running out of battery.

If you put it in trail mode, you’d get that extra lap.

 

[Plummet]

If you put it in trail mode, you’d get that extra lap.

I did a loop in rotorua a few weeks back with DJI mate in trail mode. He burnt his 800wh in the time i burnt my 600wh. DJI standard settings definitely need adjusting to get close to 85nm bike battery usage. Trail is still too freaking power hungry.
With that said i understand you can adjust dji to suit the power output you want so its a moot conversation.

 

[Lightme]

I did a loop in rotorua a few weeks back with DJI mate in trail mode. He burnt his 800wh in the time i burnt my 600wh. DJI standard settings definitely need adjusting to get close to 85nm bike battery usage. Trail is still too freaking power hungry.
With that said i understand you can adjust dji to suit the power output you want so its a moot conversation.

On my Amflow I’m getting far more range (like 50% more) in full Turbo than I am on my EP801 160e with a 635Wh in full turbo. The Avinox is very efficient.

 

[Mart-e]

The old 2020 Norco has what appears to a fracture in the head tube, deciding now is to a bees dick ordering a Rogue frame.... A small frame with the 440 reach and the 440 chain stay plus high mid pivot extra growth, this geo will be a different ride....

 

[Plummet]

On my Amflow I’m getting far more range (like 50% more) in full Turbo than I am on my EP801 160e with a 635Wh in full turbo. The Avinox is very efficient.

I've come to the conclusion that there is not free lunch and sweet fa efficiency difference between motors. Its mostly algorithm based and how you set up your particular settings. You simply trade legs and lungs for motor and battery or vice versa. The only way you get more efficiency compared to an old system is if that old system battery is getting tired and or there's some mechanical wear that leads to inefficiency.

I suspect your far more range comes from a bigger battery and algorithm set up.

 

[slickrock]

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I'm in the final few steps of having a deal closed on the new Antidote e-bike and the Bosch motor they choose was a key part of that decision, for me.

Have the kinematics of the suspension been published? if it's anything like their analog brethren, that would be a good thing. Though the design is different enough that this may not be the case. The shock is in the front triangle now and the rear is fully unified (not like idler-based Dark Matter), but unlike VPP, you get the full seat tube insertion length. An esoteric choice for sure, aside from the safe Gen 5.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Have the kinematics of the suspension been published? if it's anything like there analog brethren, that would be a good thing. Though the design is different enough that this may not be the case. The shock is in the front triangle now and the rear is fully unified (not like idler-based Dark Matter), but unlike VPP, you get the full seat tube insertion length. An esoteric choice for sure, aside from the safe Gen 5.

I have all of the LR, AS, AR, geo, chain growth charts for 4 many different configurations (i.e. MX or 29, 160/ 170/ 180mm fork) but I can't share them at this time. But I'll let you that they look pretty ideal to my eyes, if maybe a bit too much AS for too long. It'll do well on the pedals and the pivot should reduce PK.

I'll add that I'm generally suspicious of non-Horst Link bikes, I just don't think that they are as good for what I do (constant chunk in natural terrain).

There is obviously some risk in buying such a rare bike, but the brand has a good history with previous efforts. They are a small operation so communication is slow, which gives me some pause, but I think we're going to do it.

 

[Lightme]

I have all of the LR, AS, AR, geo, chain growth charts for 4 many different configurations (i.e. MX or 29, 160/ 170/ 180mm fork) but I can't share them at this time. But I'll let you that they look pretty ideal to my eyes, if maybe a bit too much AS for too long. It'll do well on the pedals and the pivot should reduce PK.

I'll add that I'm generally suspicious of non-Horst Link bikes, I just don't think that they are as good for what I do (constant chunk in natural terrain).

There is obviously some risk in buying such a rare bike, but the brand has a good history with previous efforts. They are a small operation so communication is slow, which gives me some pause, but I think we're going to do it.

Maybe move this to a new thread?

 

[Mikects]

Back on track. Tried Jamie's Rogue in Rotorua last week and was pretty impressed even though it was a bit small for me. So frame ordered and deposit paid - now for the long wait....