I thought that I saw one reviewer say it will go to EU & UK, but no frame-only option...
Velduro Rogue 170/165 mullet Enduro with DJI
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JP-NZ
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
Ive only heard a speculated 22kg
Plummet
Flash Git
This is just conjecture... but surely very similar to the E Druid?
22-23kg +/-1kg range dependent on build and battery selected..
The 22kg rumour is being repeated by a few media outlets...MBUK is one of them, from memory.
I've looked for the weight online, but all there is, is conjecture.
I've looked for the weight online, but all there is, is conjecture.
sethimus
😠 Donald Duck 😠
shocker, bikes with the same motor, battery and components tend to weigh the same. who would have thought?
jbrown15
Well-known member
I was told 22.5kg without pedals by Velduro.
Thank you.
All cf frames vary by half a kilo at most with high pivot Horst Link bikes bring at the higher end of that.
The motor system is fixed and the rest is the build.
I mean, how much do you want it to weigh? 22 kgs, 23kgs, or 24kgs? Choose wisely.
Plummet
Flash Git
Pre-orders available now.....
www.velduro.com
Velduro Rogue R - M2S
Meet the Rogue R. Engineered for the ultimate enduro experience. Featuring custom-tuned FOX suspension, SRAM AXS GX Eagle 10-52T drivetrain, and powerful Maven Silver four-piston brakes, this bike is built to perform. Weighing just 23.6kg and powered by an 800Wh battery, the Rogue R delivers...
www.velduro.com
For any of you wondering, those prices in NZD are pretty good.Pre-orders available now.....
Velduro Rogue R - M2S
Meet the Rogue R. Engineered for the ultimate enduro experience. Featuring custom-tuned FOX suspension, SRAM AXS GX Eagle 10-52T drivetrain, and powerful Maven Silver four-piston brakes, this bike is built to perform. Weighing just 23.6kg and powered by an 800Wh battery, the Rogue R delivers...
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In GBP it's about 90p and in USD, just shy of $1.50.
58kph ....... Thank God for New Zealand ........
Plummet
Flash Git
Im pretty sure production bikes will be pulled back to either 45 or 32kph.58kph ....... Thank God for New Zealand ........
Pyr0
E*POWAH Master
NB: This is only for NZ customers.Pre-orders available now.....
Velduro Rogue R - M2S
Meet the Rogue R. Engineered for the ultimate enduro experience. Featuring custom-tuned FOX suspension, SRAM AXS GX Eagle 10-52T drivetrain, and powerful Maven Silver four-piston brakes, this bike is built to perform. Weighing just 23.6kg and powered by an 800Wh battery, the Rogue R delivers...
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Pyr0
E*POWAH Master
The title of this thread indicates 165mm, but most of the places writing about the bike say 160mm
Its written up here check the headlining.... 165mm 29 rear or 172mm mullet...
i'm planning purchase to the frame only with in mind to receiving under NZ higher kms end of cut off....
Does anyone have experience with the DJI motor cut off and how hideous was the motor drag.... My old shimano steps motor was painful, the local trail has a set of jumps requiring 40+km however the bike was at a guess around 25+kgs....
i'm planning purchase to the frame only with in mind to receiving under NZ higher kms end of cut off....
Does anyone have experience with the DJI motor cut off and how hideous was the motor drag.... My old shimano steps motor was painful, the local trail has a set of jumps requiring 40+km however the bike was at a guess around 25+kgs....
DJI would need to do that, and it hasn't been done for Amflow.
Plummet
Flash Git
The distributor for each country has the ability to set limitations.
Plummet
Flash Git
Mid pivot is typically less. Maybe 10mm at sag 25 max?
Plummet
Flash Git
I agree proportional chainstays are a huge + for people at the either end of the spectrum. For me in the medium bike size range that chainstay for a mid pivot is bang on the money.
That CS length will work well for M and L. Not so much for S and XL
Of course there's an additional cost for added cs lengths in expensive carbon moulds, tweaking kinematics, testing etc.
The question has to be asked. How many size small and size XL bikes will they sell and does that justify the additional expense?
JP-NZ
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
Correct, lets not forget even though NZ law doesn't have a speed limit as such 45kph is the defined class 3 max.
JP-NZ
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
I did a quick comparison on Frame vs full bike. Basically NZ (local) prices for buying the frame then purchasing the same spec Fork, Shock, Dropper, Bars & Stem, Wheels & tires, Brakes & AXS gearing. No surprises for it to be significantly cheaper to buy the full bike for NZ riders. YMMV of course..
Yes I understand the people buying frame only have their own items to fit on the bike.
Yes I understand the people buying frame only have their own items to fit on the bike.
Plummet
Flash Git
Yeah thats always the way. However if I would buy a frame only if I bought one as I would sell almost all the components... none of them are my spec.
Yeah ok thanks, something to consider on effects to sizing.... the Rogue sizing sets me up for a S and currently ride a M bike reach 450 - TT 585.... height at 170cm
Due to sag increase with mid high pivot as in proportion effectiveness to CS length..... can you please offer an example to change of performance.... the changes of riding handling to nature that could be expected with sizes S XL...
My riding position preference is rearward or back.... Im getting size S to proportion will shift to a more forward riding position.
Cheers!
Not at the moment they don't. The DJI Avinox App uses the phone pairing to determine which country it is in. The limit is then set by that countries ebike speed limit. NZ doesn't require a speed limiter for ebikes. Hence currently DJI follow that policy. Hence why the guy in the video did 58kph. This would only be possible, because the bike was paired with a phone in New Zealand, as the video was made in NZ.
For each bike manufacturer to have a different speed limit in the same country. You'd need different firmware for each bike manufacturer. I do not see that happening. Different tuning yes. But not firmware. Tuning can be adjusted by the rider. Firmware cannot.
I have paired my DJI Motor in New Zealand. When this was done. The speed limit was unlimited. When I pair the same motor in Australia. The limit is set back to 25kph. That is how the speed limiting works. It's nothing to do with what limits are set by the bike manufacturer. Only the limits set by the DJI Avinox App. But sure. Anything is possible.
If anyone knows of a DJI Avinox motor that has had it's speed limits altered any other way. Please insure to less us know. As this will affect DJI motored owners ability to source spare motors. I'm hoping you should be able to source any DJI Avinox M1 Motor. And the pairing will set the region, and hence the speed limit. All other parameters are just typed in by the owner.
JP-NZ
E*POWAH Elite World Champion
Not yet it doesn't but its well on the way to changing..
The NZ Transport agency is under way with research titled "Regulations and safety for electric bicycles and other low-powered vehicles"
"maximum power-assisted speed – this criterion was referred to in the legislation of all the other countries reviewed; three maximum motorassisted speeds commonly used overseas were assessed for e-bikes (25, 32 and 45 km/h), and for other low-powered vehicles (10, 15 and 25 km/h) "
The bottom line being the result of the research.. either 32/45kph will soon become the maximum by law depending on class. Which pretty much every ebike in NZ is self governed by anyway.
"The authors recommend that the next step could be to consider the proposed framework, and issues and recommendations included in the research report, as a basis for developing government policy on low-powered vehicle use in New Zealand. This policy-making exercise will then be followed by rule making."
Plummet
Flash Git
To give you a reference point. I have
Deviate claymore high pivot 170/180mm 435cs/460 reach
Trek session mid high pivot 200/200 445 cs465 reach
Crestline S180 VPP 180/180mm CS445/455 reach.
The big advantage of the mid and high pivots is that the rear grows and the bike becomes more stable and speed when diving deeper into its travel and more nimble when using less travel. They also feel the square edge hits as the rear wheel kind of climbs up and over the obstactle.
However wheelies and manuals are harder. My harderest to wheelie or manual bike I have is the claymore as the high pivot changes the cs as you pull for the manual. It makes for funky manualling. My easiest to manual bike is the crestline at 445 chainstay. That has a small amount of rearward path but not much.
When buying a high or mid pivot you really need to consider the sagged CS length. That is what you will actually be riding. My deviate is sags out to 445ish when seating getting to my ideal cs length. That matches the crestline cs length. The DH bike will sag out further and give me closer to 455 cs. That suits its use case of a high speed stable dh bike.
For you riding a small you need to consider of the 440 cs unsagged, closer to 450 sagged, is going to be too long and feel like a bus of a bike that isnt very playful and is pretty damn hard if not impossible to manual.
For a size small i've like to see 430,435cs at the longest on a mid or high pivot bike.
How far away time line wise do you think that is, as that report was published 8 years ago, and nothing has been done ?
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