Levo SL Gen 1 Levo SL 2023 Megathread

[head]

Rob when, when ?

As always... Soon! In 2-3 weeks, next month, in 2-3 months, by the end of the year.

Choose whatever looks the most appropriate to you .

 

[gts66]

Should be soon, more likely few days/weeks than months, at least for the announcement !

 

[Ace Freely]

Should be soon, more likely few days/weeks than months, at least for the announcement !

Think they will show it off at Sea Otter?

Ace

 

[David666]

Yes, it is what I wrote few posts earlier.

 

[Ace Freely]

Yes, it is what I wrote few posts earlier.

...great minds...

 

[Streddaz]

Rob knows!

 

[Eduardoramundo]

So lets start some guessing on what may or may not be launched next week or whenever it is.

Here’s mine :-

SJ Evo Geo frame
Mahle motor
50nm motor
400wh battery
180wh extender

 

[Dave_B]

And maybe geo adjust like the Levo.

 

[Dave_B]

New rear linkage

 

[Black Bear Trail]

The Specialized dealer I talked to yesterday told me that he was invited to the new Levo SL debut in May in Shizuoka. He said that he isn't going. But, he has heard that there are changes to the motor. The 35 Nm has been increased, most likely. He also told me that the release will also probably be in May, at around Golden Week (Japanese holidays), and to check the Specialized website. No word on Kenevo SL, either. Just the new Levo SL.

 

[Black Bear Trail]

50nm motor

I think it might be this: 50 Nm - 60 Nm motor.

 

[BikeParkLevo]

hey nerds,

i know/heared from elite partner rumors that the frame got an complete new update,
but the mahle motor system is more likely the same...
Mahle Motor with an Power increase to 48-50NM (most possible by software and some small part updates),
same battery with 320wh and 160wh Range Extender, weight is more or less the same than actuall SL Models.

If my Informations are right, then you can upgrade older models by that new Motor System (Kenevo SL & Levo SL)

So if that´s all right, i don´t give shit because of 15NM more Power! That´s no Game Changer in my eyes.

But i know from Mahle & Brose Ingenieurs here in Germany that there is a lot to come in the near future
(lighter Motors with much more Range by same Power) but NO EXCLUSIVE DEAL for Specialized anymore!!!

So there USP is completely gone in my eyes!

No Hate - i love my Kenevo SL - because i bought it with a HUGE DISCOUNT

 

[Black Bear Trail]

I told my Specialized dealer that I hope that the new motor is going to be a 60 Nm, but he thinks it's going to be only 40 Nm - 50 Nm. But is going from 35 Nm to 50 Nm a big enough difference to want to buy the new Levo SL?

 

[Eduardoramundo]

I told my Specialized dealer that I hope that the new motor is going to be a 60 Nm, but he thinks it's going to be only 40 Nm - 50 Nm. But is going from 35 Nm to 50 Nm a big enough difference to want to buy the new Levo SL?

Not if your buddies are on full fat’s.

 

[Dave_B]

You probably would not be buying an SL if you ride with full fats……

 

[h3ld]

35 nm are enough for me. As long as they got rid of the noise, I want it

 

[Losiak]

35 nm are enough for me. As long as they got rid of the noise, I want it

Noise is a big issue on SL But it looks like motor will be the same with small improvement

 

[BikeParkLevo]

35 nm are enough for me. As long as they got rid of the noise, I want it

noise will still be an issue vs. other light motors like TQ and FAZUA...
But much more reliable than the others, which is the most important fact for me!

 

[Doomanic]

But less unreliable than the others, which is the most important fact for me!

Fixed.

 

[gts66]

New Geo with adjustable head tube angle and less motor noise would be perfect for me !

 

[Dave_B]

Bluetooth remote
Integrated stem/handlebar

 

[Dave_B]

I’m simply Listing everything I can think of in the hope I can say I was right when the bike gets released

 

[h3ld]

Bluetooth remote
Integrated stem/handlebar

Too good to be true

 

[Suns_PSD]

Noise is a primary factor for me and why I've ruled out the Bafang M820 products and why I also have to rule out the new Levo SL, as the reported changes sound very accurate to me.

Glad I'm in line on the Relay for a May delivery and I think ultimately, I made the best selection for my needs.

From my read of all of the reviews, in the mid-power segment, the F60 is the most preferred motor from a performance/ noise/ inconspicuous/ weight/ battery size point of view.

Where the F60 seems to fail is reliability. I'm just hoping that the bugs will continue to get worked out.

The TQ HP seems wonderful, but with a battery that's about 30% too small for most.

In my head power isn't a factor but I must admit that when I rode a Fuel Ex-e, it wasn't very strong. It actually felt harder to pedal in the low setting, than my SJEvo (non e-bike), I'd have to ride the TQ HP motor in the medium setting.

 

[Loamranger]

Is power a made up number? There doesn’t seem to be any international standards, am I wrong?

 

[Black Bear Trail]

35 nm are enough for me. As long as they got rid of the noise, I want it

I was out riding my Kenevo SL yesterday. As I was climbing up a long dirt road the motor became so noisy that I started to wonder if it was broken, or going to break. Seems strange for a $9,000 bike.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Is power a made up number? There doesn’t seem to be any international standards, am I wrong?

My understanding is that: What the rated NM rating doesn't tell you is the Tq being delivered at the output shaft of the motor. The Spesh motor spins fast and uses a reduction gear to multiply torque (and NOISE!) which is why in back-to-back tests it's a fair equivalent to other products in the segment.

 

[boBE]

Is power a made up number? There doesn’t seem to be any international standards, am I wrong?

Is the power consistent through the full 360 degrees, average, only at max rider leverage (pedals level)... ? Afaik there is no standard which may explain why the SL does not seem to have just 1/3 the power of the Brose.
N*m is only torque, to get power we factor in rpm: best I can find the SL is at peak power at about 70 rpm while the Brose is about 35 rpm.

Also, if I am at max rider power (out of the saddle, full weight on one pedal, crank arm level) I am at about 86 lb*ft or 117 n*m. The added 35 n*m is greatly appreciated but it is only about another 30%. It sure feels like more!

 

[baltik]

Agreed that there needs to be a new standard of crank level watts... i think the videos that francis on mtbr are pretty telling - specialized sl id very close to Trek Exe in terms of assist despite being weaker on paper. However the Orbea Rise is much stronger despite being close to the Exe...

 

[baltik]

I am almost certain to pull the trigger on the new SL, can someone PM me a good dealer that typically has pricing flexibility and is willing to ship?