Fuel EXe so who's ordered the Trek Fuel EXe?

[Dave_B]

I'm very tempted, kind of waiting for Spesh to release their next SL, I would expect the spec on the Trek for the price point will be better than the usual Spesh garbage?

 

[DJ57UMP]

I'm very tempted, kind of waiting for Spesh to release their next SL, I would expect the spec on the Trek for the price point will be better than the usual Spesh garbage?

I think you'd like a nice Heckler MX with AXS toys and i9 carbons... I know a bloke selling one for good money and a years warranty...

 

[Dave_B]

 

[Larsey]

I have a deposit on a medium EXe 9.7. It was supposed to arrive at the shop on 8/15 now bumped to 9/05

 

[Dave_B]

I’ve just ordered one. 9.8XT. Size Large. Deep Smoke.
No idea when it’s going to arrive.
Ordered from Blazing Bikes

 

[Xinto]

I'm waiting for my 9.7. Pennyflake.
Should arrive around 19.9.

 

[Moe Ped]

Blue 9.8 XT set to arrive in November. Gonna sell the XT drivetrain. I’ve got a X01 AXS shifter/derailleur going on with XX1 Eagle cassette and chain. I’ve ordered I9 hydras to replace the stock hubs and gonna lace the stock wheels with DT Swiss Competition spokes. This set up should be less, or very similar costs to the 9.8 GXS build with better components. I’d like to keep the bike at 40 lbs or less ready to ride. I think the components going on should make up for the weight of the pedals and keep the weight where I want it.

I thought I read on the Emtb Facebook page another guy was going to do the same thing but was not sure if it would work as the XT one has a different front cog

 

[irie]

I'll wait for the V2 to arrive with V1 bugs sorted and hopefully 400Wh battery and >60 Nm motor but <20kg.

 

[Cell4soul]

I thought I read on the Emtb Facebook page another guy was going to do the same thing but was not sure if it would work as the XT one has a different front cog

I had to change the driver body on the wheel to SRAM. Otherwise, you can run the AXS shifter and derailleur with the XT cassette, but you have to use the XT chain. I ran my Rise this way.

 

[Yoak]

Rode the AXS a few days last week. Great bike. Pedals well even when off. Did some really technical descents and high speed ones over rocky terrain. At times I forgot I wasn't on my Slash. But I wouldn't change my Rail 9.8 for it, as I realised I prefer a full emtb. The Exe would have to be an additional bike, and I can't justify that (at least yet )

 

[Cell4soul]

Rode the AXS a few days last week. Great bike. Pedals well even when off. Did some really technical descents and high speed ones over rocky terrain. At times I forgot I wasn't on my Slash. But I wouldn't change my Rail 9.8 for it, as I realised I prefer a full emtb. The Exe would have to be an additional bike, and I can't justify that (at least yet )

thanks for the feedback. Looking forward to getting my EXe

 

[Sparty0n]

I ordered a 9.8XT that is supposed to arrive end of next week, pretty excited.

 

[Chicane]

I'll wait for the V2 to arrive with V1 bugs sorted and hopefully 400Wh battery and >60 Nm motor but <20kg.

That wait for the V2 with those specs will be around September 2025. There will be a lot more 60nm SL bikes from other brands out by then.

 

[yase]

Medium 9.8XT on order, Trek is saying it will be in store on the 25/8. Ordered on 25/7

 

[Gavalar]

I'm very tempted, kind of waiting for Spesh to release their next SL, I would expect the spec on the Trek for the price point will be better than the usual Spesh garbage?

You should have a look at the new Pivot Shuttle SL before deciding on either of your choices, the Pivot has a stronger and better motor with a better battery than the Trek.

 

[Dave_B]

Stronger and better………

have you ridden both ?

 

[Gavalar]

Stronger and better………

have you ridden both ?

I rode both a recent trip to Santa Cruz California, I've ordered the Pivot Pro XO1 from Saddleback, just preferred the build quality, silent motor and range.

 

[Dave_B]

What was the pivot like with the lower travel rear end?
Do you have stats on the range and elevation achievable on both bikes ?

 

[Chicane]

Stronger and better………

have you ridden both ?

Wouldn’t 10 more NM= more torque and stronger?

 

[Dave_B]

It was the ‘better’ I was more interested in.

 

[Gavalar]

What was the pivot like with the lower travel rear end?
Do you have stats on the range and elevation achievable on both bikes ?

The rear end travel feels similar to my regular Yeti SB130, the bike in general felt like the Pivot Switchblade, albeit with less suspension, that I have recently sold.
A 3.5 hour ride with 1500 metres of elevation and 20% battery remaining was enough for my needs, the real plus was the lack of any drag from the motor when not in use, rear brake rotor needs to be bigger and a carbon wheelset would make what is already a true superlight even lighter.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

I rode both a recent trip to Santa Cruz California, I've ordered the Pivot Pro XO1 from Saddleback, just preferred the build quality, silent motor and range.

Having ridden both motor systems (TQ HPR 50 and Fazua Ride 60) its difficult to call one better than the other. The TQ has more finesse, design seems better integrated (the display in my opinion is much better than the Fazua plastic thing with lights), the TQ remote is superier (Fazua seems weaker and way more flimsy).

The Fazua still has about 48 ratchet points in the motor (i didnt actually count but it ratchets around the internal gearing) which is much slower to engage when you start pedaling, and is noisy when freewheeling. There is also a (slight, but noticeable) high pitch motor wine at higher cadences. The TQ is fluid, silent and instantly engages.

Overall, the TQ build quality seems superior to me..

But, the Fazua is definitely more powerful, the battery bigger too.

Better? diffucult to call, I would be hard pressed to choose one over the other if I had a single choice to go in a bike...

I am definitely going to do a head to head video on these 2 systems, I have both bikes in person now,

 

[Chicane]

The rear end travel feels similar to my regular Yeti SB130, the bike in general felt like the Pivot Switchblade, albeit with less suspension, that I have recently sold.
A 3.5 hour ride with 1500 metres of elevation and 20% battery remaining was enough for my needs, the real plus was the lack of any drag from the motor when not in use, rear brake rotor needs to be bigger and a carbon wheelset would make what is already a true superlight even lighter.

How many miles was this 1500 meter ride?

 

[Dave_B]

@Rob Rides EMTB nice contribution. Cheers.

I wonder how many classifications of eBikes we will end up with?

we already have SL, for me, the Pivot and Trek are what I’d call ‘mid’ with the rest being ‘full fat’, all based on motor output rather than actual bike weight.

the Pivot weight claim of 16.5 kg for the team version is impressive with 430 battery. (But it does have a fox 34 fork and I guess no AXS dropper).

 

[Gavalar]

Having ridden both motor systems (TQ HPR 50 and Fazua Ride 60) its difficult to call one better than the other. The TQ has more finesse, design seems better integrated (the display in my opinion is much better than the Fazua plastic thing with lights), the TQ remote is superier (Fazua seems weaker and way more flimsy).

The Fazua still has about 24 ratchet points in the motor (i didnt actually count but it ratchets around the internal gearing) which is much slower to engage when you start pedaling, and is noisy when freewheeling. There is also a high pitch motor wine at higher cadences. The TQ is fluid, silent and instantly engages.

Overall, the TQ build quality seems superior to me..

But, the Fazua is definitely more powerful, the battery bigger too.

Better? diffucult to call, I would be hard pressed to choose one over the other if I had a single choice to go in a bike...

I am definitely going to do a head to head video on these 2 systems, I have both bikes in person now,

I agree with your summation to a point but it comes down to personal choice and integration of a system into the chosen bike brand and model, for me, riding.both back to back over 4 convinced me to put my money where my mouth is and buy the Pivot, happy trails.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

@Rob Rides EMTB nice contribution. Cheers.

I wonder how many classifications of eBikes we will end up with?

i see it as this:

Low Weights (Super Light): 16-19KG mid power (Fazua / TQ / Next Spesh) 50-65nm 300-450 watts
Full Fat: 22-26kg Full Power (Brose / Bosch etc) 85-95Nm 500-800 watts

I think the low powers (35nm ish) will pretty much disappear within 12 months

 

[Sparty0n]

Having ridden both motor systems (TQ HPR 50 and Fazua Ride 60) its difficult to call one better than the other. The TQ has more finesse, design seems better integrated (the display in my opinion is much better than the Fazua plastic thing with lights), the TQ remote is superier (Fazua seems weaker and way more flimsy).

The Fazua still has about 24 ratchet points in the motor (i didnt actually count but it ratchets around the internal gearing) which is much slower to engage when you start pedaling, and is noisy when freewheeling. There is also a high pitch motor wine at higher cadences. The TQ is fluid, silent and instantly engages.

Overall, the TQ build quality seems superior to me..

But, the Fazua is definitely more powerful, the battery bigger too.

Better? diffucult to call, I would be hard pressed to choose one over the other if I had a single choice to go in a bike...

I am definitely going to do a head to head video on these 2 systems, I have both bikes in person now,

Good info, thanks! Look forward to the head to head.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

There is also some kind of sliding scale of detrimental riding experiences when it comes to weight. I think sub 17.5KG introduces way too many compromises (paper thin tyres, small rotors, XC wheelsets) that provide almost no significant benefit and many disadvanteges for most riders.

 

[Gavalar]

How many miles was this 1500 meter ride?

It's a trail called The Three Musketeers, 39 kilometres with an elevation of 1485mtrs.

 

[Dave_B]

The 9.8 XT spec of the trek EXe for the price point is what clinched it for me. Carbon bars, rims, great brakes. From what I have seen so far on other similar bikes, the trek spec for price is better.

makes me wonder where the new Spesh price point will be and their usually poor component Specifications? (I’m sure you will be telling us soon !!)