GodsTherapist
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Whats your calorie consumption between Gen 3 and 4?
Levo Gen 4 What do you dislike about the 2026 Gen4 Levo
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Power1tobe
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This isn't bike specific but I am not loving the SRAM XX Eagle Transmission, Wired SRAM AXS. This thing is way to touchy. I have had to micro tune it multiple times and this weekend it totally went off the rails. Its currently in the bike shop letting the pros look at it to see if they can get it dialed back in. As a note, if you have this Transmission you need to look at the hanger closely as it has a slight bow / bend in its shape, this is by design. Never noticed it before and at first I thought my hanger was bent. Anyone understand the design rational for the bow?
900SS
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I am considering buying a Gen 4 Levo. I am curious why so many here want a full 29er? I currently have a Gen 3 S Works, which of course, like the Gen 4 is a mullet setup. What would be improved with a 29" rear wheel? Apart from possibly a cushier ride.
more stability, better rolling speed and roll over, better traction, better looks, and more simplicity because I don’t need to carry two different tubes on longer rides, I can take just one.
Otherwise, the only real advantage of 27 is that it’s more nimble, which I don’t really need on a 23–24 kg bike. And more clearance with tyre which I dont need too.
Why would you upgrade your Gen 3 to Gen 4? I thought about it before it came out, but now I can’t justify such an expensive upgrade. Gen 4 doesn’t do anything significantly better — it’s generally the same bike with a few tweaks here and there.
You can get tubes like Schwalbe SV19 which will fit in 27,5 and 29" tires ...
I would have a ride on a Gen 4 before you buy one, in my experience the Gen 3 is better bike. The weight feels off with the Gen 4 , the Gen 3 rides better. The best part on the Gen 4 is the Geni rear shock
DirkWisely
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Definitely ride it first, but I love the gen4 over my gen3
My gen 4 weights .5kg more than my gen3 with the same components on it....
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Exactly, in some ways it’s several steps back…
it’s not so much the weight, though 5kgs is a lot. It were the weight is on the Gen 4 it doesn’t feel any like as agile as an AMflow or a Gen 3. I am not alone with this view. I hear a new Gen4 is coming with revised suspension but sadly same down tube.
Indeed it is, it's a factor of ten more than Luna Claims though...
electricbogaloo
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It depend on the model and frame size/components obviously but I've read the new motor is heavier. You can get the carbon Gen 3 down to 21-22 kg with relatively little money and lighter components. The main thing that Specialized got wrong is that they had one of the lightest full power ebikes on the market and ditched that for a bit more easily removable battery and a more powerful motor.
To truly compare how they ride one would have to build them up with the same components. But just from the numbers they probably ride very similar although from the pinkbike test it seems that the geometry/weight balance of the gen 3 is better.
To truly compare how they ride one would have to build them up with the same components. But just from the numbers they probably ride very similar although from the pinkbike test it seems that the geometry/weight balance of the gen 3 is better.
Fully agree the Gen 3 rides rides a lot better.
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Yes 5kg would be quite substernal but mine is 1/2 or .5 kg which is 500 grams or 1.1 pounds...
So it’s 2026 folks, and yet we’ve still got the same 2 guys with seemingly unresolvable Gen 4 issues, commenting on something they’re not going to buy or inanely putting a 
emoji after almost every Gen 4 post. It’s mental.
Seriously fellas, show me on the doll where the Gen 4 Levo touched you…
Perhaps time to move on?
emoji after almost every Gen 4 post. It’s mental.Seriously fellas, show me on the doll where the Gen 4 Levo touched you…
Perhaps time to move on?
Yeah it's tiresome and lowers the quality of this forum. I'd say the same about Levo cultist brigade though, peeking out of shrubberies as soon as someone dares to post anything but a stellar opinion about their bike. Rationalizing, explaining, ridiculing other opinions, questioning rationale and professionalism of outlets who don't place their precious bike as #1.
And in the end it's just one bike amongst hundreds...
And in the end it's just one bike amongst hundreds...
Dowentube like a American Ford Mustang musclecar or flimsy Chinese NIO Firefly?
It's like political discussions what's best lefties or MAGA and both is wrong the truth is invisible in the middle
electricbogaloo
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The world is way too complex for that being a good take.
Your comment doesn't offend me, and of course I have no problem with it. What I find rubbish (with all due respect) are the arguments you present.
The Gen4 is VERY different from the Gen3, undoubtedly better in almost every way, and it's a significant evolution! The motor is much better, the seat tube is steeper, the bike feels more compact and rigid, and the rear suspension works much better.
The small rear wheel suits it perfectly and makes the bike much more agile on rough terrain.
The preference for large, identical wheels and the use of a single inner tube for both seems like a very minor issue that should detract from the overall quality of a bicycle.
That’s exactly why you reacted with a
to every follow-up comment that criticized the bike — that’s pretty childish behavior.I test-rode the gen4 and honestly didn’t notice any “significant evolution” Yes, the motor is a bit more powerful and the battery is slightly larger, but the whole system is also a bit heavier. The 90 Nm motor on the gen3 is already more than enough for anything. To me, the power delivery on the gen3 actually feels more balanced, although I expect firmware updates will improve the gen4 in this regard. The motor rattle of the gen4 is really disappointing.
The rear suspension might work better thanks to genie, but overall it feels similar, and I'm not a fan of such low progression (around 12%) like on the gen4. Geometry changes are very minor: a steeper seat tube is fine, but at the same time the chainstays feel too short in the high setting.
For the price you have to pay for the gen4, they really should have made a 29” rear wheel optional, like on the SL2. Or take the Orbea Wild as an example, where you can run both rear wheel sizes.
A 29” rear wheel clearly has its own advantages over 27.5”, and that was the main point of my original comment — not to bash the gen4. I agree that the gen4 is a good bike, mine gen3 is mullet as well and I love it but might try 29 rear wheel without compromising geo, so for me it’s not significantly better than the gen3, and in some aspects I actually prefer the gen3.
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The question is: how long have you been riding a Gen4?That’s exactly why you reacted with a
I test-rode the gen4 and honestly didn’t notice any “significant evolution” Yes, the motor is a bit more powerful and the battery is slightly larger, but the whole system is also a bit heavier. The 90 Nm motor on the gen3 is already more than enough for anything. To me, the power delivery on the gen3 actually feels more balanced, although I expect firmware updates will improve the gen4 in this regard. The motor rattle of the gen4 is really disappointing.
The rear suspension might work better thanks to genie, but overall it feels similar, and I'm not a fan of such low progression (around 12%) like on the gen4. Geometry changes are very minor: a steeper seat tube is fine, but at the same time the chainstays feel too short in the high setting.
For the price you have to pay for the gen4, they really should have made a 29” rear wheel optional, like on the SL2. Or take the Orbea Wild as an example, where you can run both rear wheel sizes.
A 29” rear wheel clearly has its own advantages over 27.5”, and that was the main point of my original comment — not to bash the gen4. I agree that the gen4 is a good bike, mine gen3 is mullet as well and I love it but might try 29 rear wheel without compromising geo, so for me it’s not significantly better than the gen3, and in some aspects I actually prefer the gen3.
I've owned and enjoyed the Gen3, ridden with a long linkage, and experimented with all its configurations. An excellent bike!
I've had the Gen4 since the beginning of May and followed the same process. In the end, I changed the linkage and installed a TTX Coil 230x65, long chainstays, and a slack head tube. A better bike in every way except for the downtube length!
Ive ridden gen4 about a few hours, yeah not that much to tune the bike to my preferences.
To be honest, that’s how I’d like to see the new Gen 4 out of the box with a bigger (longer) shock and a more progressive linkage and more travel, optional bigger wheel would also be nice. In that case, I’d probably just shut up and pay the money (but that's not for sure)
It just doesn’t click for me to buy a bike at that price and then start doing all those upgrades myself. On my Gen 3, the only performance changes I made were swapping the fork to a 38 and fitting a longer dropper.
I feel like Specialized could easily build a Kenevo on this new platform with more travel straight from the box, and then offer something slimmer and lighter with a stock 600 Wh battery. But those are just my dreams. In the end, Specialized probably knows better how to run their business.
I believe Specialized can make many of your dreams come true soon.
Bman
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What do I dislike? How everyone slobbers all over how great it is (as is ANYthing by Specialized, lol) and then complains about all the bad things about it. Oh well, typical Big S(hit) over-hype...
PeterHenric
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I don’t personally understand the people who live and die by the shape of the down tube. Yes, it’s large. You only see it when you’re looking at the bike on the stand though. You can’t tell the dimensions of the down tube while riding it and I don’t think the shape of it affects the ride, does it?
PeterHenric
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Why does that bother you?
Sorry Specialized is well-known to be unbeatable on warranty claims, support and service. On the other hand sitt home and wait a couple of weeks/month while arguing with Bosch / Orbea while the are doing diagnostic and finding new parts.
Anyone reckon Bosch or amflow would give you 2-5 new motors a year with no discussion since the quickly realized the belt was a wrong design..
All good with the clock ticking on the Canyon battery story cuz I think they gave you a lollipop to suck on while waiting in your couch?
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That’s exactly why you reacted with a
I test-rode the gen4 and honestly didn’t notice any “significant evolution” Yes, the motor is a bit more powerful and the battery is slightly larger, but the whole system is also a bit heavier. The 90 Nm motor on the gen3 is already more than enough for anything. To me, the power delivery on the gen3 actually feels more balanced, although I expect firmware updates will improve the gen4 in this regard. The motor rattle of the gen4 is really disappointing.
The rear suspension might work better thanks to genie, but overall it feels similar, and I'm not a fan of such low progression (around 12%) like on the gen4. Geometry changes are very minor: a steeper seat tube is fine, but at the same time the chainstays feel too short in the high setting.
For the price you have to pay for the gen4, they really should have made a 29” rear wheel optional, like on the SL2. Or take the Orbea Wild as an example, where you can run both rear wheel sizes.
A 29” rear wheel clearly has its own advantages over 27.5”, and that was the main point of my original comment — not to bash the gen4. I agree that the gen4 is a good bike, mine gen3 is mullet as well and I love it but might try 29 rear wheel without compromising geo, so for me it’s not significantly better than the gen3, and in some aspects I actually prefer the gen3.
That’s exactly why you reacted with a
I test-rode the gen4 and honestly didn’t notice any “significant evolution” Yes, the motor is a bit more powerful and the battery is slightly larger, but the whole system is also a bit heavier. The 90 Nm motor on the gen3 is already more than enough for anything. To me, the power delivery on the gen3 actually feels more balanced, although I expect firmware updates will improve the gen4 in this regard. The motor rattle of the gen4 is really disappointing.
The rear suspension might work better thanks to genie, but overall it feels similar, and I'm not a fan of such low progression (around 12%) like on the gen4. Geometry changes are very minor: a steeper seat tube is fine, but at the same time the chainstays feel too short in the high setting.
For the price you have to pay for the gen4, they really should have made a 29” rear wheel optional, like on the SL2. Or take the Orbea Wild as an example, where you can run both rear wheel sizes.
A 29” rear wheel clearly has its own advantages over 27.5”, and that was the main point of my original comment — not to bash the gen4. I agree that the gen4 is a good bike, mine gen3 is mullet as well and I love it but might try 29 rear wheel without compromising geo, so for me it’s not significantly better than the gen3, and in some aspects I actually prefer the gen3.
But at this price point it needs to look the part , first impressions do count. I wouldn’t say it’s crap bike to ride, it’s just not the revaluation that was talked about about over the Gen 3. In my experience it doesn’t handle as well as the Gen 3 it doesn’t feel as agile, balance weight feels off to me, then when you compare it to the much cheaper AMflow it’s not even on the same pitch in every area.
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