Vitus E-Mythique LT won't power on.

[Mr Bevs]

I've had exactly the same problem...

Bike 1 year old, all good. Then error 5, error 36, then nothing. Won't power on.

Bike bought from Wiggle so I'm going to try Section 75 refund route.

I'd prefer fix it because I don't want it to go in the skip.

I've got the motor out and all connections look OK. Battery seems OK. Off/On button definitely works.

From the combined knowledge of this group is the next step to split the motor, and replace the socket board and ribbon cable?

 

[CarolinaCrawler]

From the combined knowledge of this group is the next step to split the motor, and replace the socket board and ribbon cable?

Correct. That would be the next move. This single part fixes 90% of the problems with these bikes.

You hardly ever hear of different M510 bikes needing control boards replaced. I wonder if the batch used to make these bikes had some sort of problem in manufacturing?

 

[Mr Bevs]

Correct. That would be the next move. This single part fixes 90% of the problems with these bikes.

You hardly ever hear of different M510 bikes needing control boards replaced. I wonder if the batch used to make these bikes had some sort of problem in manufacturing?

Thanks CarolinaCrawler, just to be certain, it's the part in the photo below? And it doesn't need K1 Flash?

 

[CarolinaCrawler]

Thanks CarolinaCrawler, just to be certain, it's the part in the photo below? And it doesn't need K1 Flash?

Yes. That's the part. I always contact Chilli at Changzhou Fieldebikes. Always had good service there.

Yes, you will need either the K1 or the BESST Tool to program it.

 

[Mikefiver]

Yes. That's the part. I always contact Chilli at Changzhou Fieldebikes. Always had good service there.

Yes, you will need either the K1 or the BESST Tool to program it.

You don’t need K1 or Besst if you’re just replacing the socket board. I’ve done it. My Mythique has failed twice with water in the motor, first time was a wet corroded socket board, second was droplets of water on the internal cable connectors. I think that was a knackered bearing letting in water past the seal behind the chainring. Dried it out again and replaced the bearing. All good so far. Seal everything with grease. Use dielectric grease near electrical connections.
Cheers
Mike

 

[Mr Bevs]

I've got the chainring and spider off and the torx screws out, but I can't split the motor to get to the connector board.

Can't see whats holding it together. Any advice?

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

I've got the chainring and spider off and the torx screws out, but I can't split the motor to get to the connector board.

Can't see whats holding it together. Any advice?

Use a fin flat head screw driver and a mallet. Look for 3 ingress points on the motor and tap the flat head screw driver in each of the three points. It will eventually start to separate. Do try not to damage the seal around the motor when separating. Otherwise, you'll either need a new one or you'll have to repair it to prevent any further moisture from penetrating the motor.

In some circumstances, the outer bearing on the primary gear can seize to the motor case through corrosion. This can sometimes make it more difficult to free. But gently pry the case off using the three points and it should come off

 

[Mr Bevs]

Thanks for the advice.

Got it all apart and connection board out, but it looks pristine and dry. No signs of water ingress anywhere and no arcing marks.

i think I'll take the cabling and battery off the bike, connect it all up while dismantled and see what happens.

 

[Mr Bevs]

Thanks for the advice.

Got it all apart and connection board out, but it looks pristine and dry. No signs of water ingress anywhere and no arcing marks.

i think I'll take the cabling and battery off the bike, connect it all up while dismantled and see what happens.

Nothing.

I'll order a new connection board.

 

[Mr Bevs]

Connection board delivered and fitted.

IT WORKS!

Bike back together and working.

Thanks for all your help boys and girls on the forum, without you I would have had no idea where to start.

I'll be back out on the trails of Ayrshire tomorrow (assuming it's not pouring rain).

Cheers

Mr Bevs

 

[Mr Bevs]

Connection board delivered and fitted.

IT WORKS!

Bike back together and working.

Thanks for all your help boys and girls on the forum, without you I would have had no idea where to start.

I'll be back out on the trails of Ayrshire tomorrow (assuming it's not pouring rain).

Cheers

Mr Bevs

It is pouring rain...maybe tomorrow.

 

[Dgti]

My Vitus came up with a E30 fault code (communication error) I replaced the controller now it won't turn on at all! Does anyone know the battery out of sleep mode routine? Also has anyone had any luck with refunds now the company has gone? I brought the bike on paypal credit. Many thanks

 

[Zimmerframe]

My Vitus came up with a E30 fault code (communication error) I replaced the controller now it won't turn on at all! Does anyone know the battery out of sleep mode routine? Also has anyone had any luck with refunds now the company has gone? I brought the bike on paypal credit. Many thanks

There's a few bits in here, I think I put the battery sleep mode bit in there too.

Vitus E-Mythique Tech docs

General Bits for the Vitus E-Mythique : Fork Offset : 44mm (1.5" to 1-1/8" tapered) Shock Size 205 * 65mm (Trunnion) Link to Rear Shock on VR/VRS Bottom Shock hardware : 25 * 8mm (Fox code : 803-03-328 DVO code : 1429250-8 Both should be interchangable) Headtube : 44-56mm Tapered...

www.emtbforums.com

 

[Dgti]

There's a few bits in here, I think I put the battery sleep mode bit in there too.

Vitus E-Mythique Tech docs

General Bits for the Vitus E-Mythique : Fork Offset : 44mm (1.5" to 1-1/8" tapered) Shock Size 205 * 65mm (Trunnion) Link to Rear Shock on VR/VRS Bottom Shock hardware : 25 * 8mm (Fox code : 803-03-328 DVO code : 1429250-8 Both should be interchangable) Headtube : 44-56mm Tapered...

www.emtbforums.com

Thank you

 

[CarolinaCrawler]

Also has anyone had any luck with refunds now the company has gone?

We are kinda SOL on any help from Vitus. If you bought it from a vender other than Vitus they can get warranty stuff from Bafang, but if not were kinda stuck. Good news is all the replacement parts are pretty easy to come by. You can get everything electronic except the battery for $650ish.

 

[Dgti]

We are kinda SOL on any help from Vitus. If you bought it from a vender other than Vitus they can get warranty stuff from Bafang, but if not were kinda stuck. Good news is all the replacement parts are pretty easy to come by. You can get everything electronic except the battery for $650ish.

I brought it from for wiggle so I was hoping there might be a legal way of getting your money refunded.

 

[Ben.e.hill]

I brought it from for wiggle so I was hoping there might be a legal way of getting your money refunded.

See my post on page 7.

 

[Dgti]

See my post on page 7.

Yes I am going to e mail them and get the ball rolling. PayPal wouldn't refund me because the bike had to be returned to wiggle. The problem was Wiggle was no longer a company.

 

[ZR1]

Unfortunately you don't get section 75 protection even if you use a credit card but through paypal. You'll have to read through the fine print on paypals terms.

 

[clSAP]

Hi, I want to change the M510 motor for an M560, but my current motor works with a 36V battery and the new one with a 48V battery. What should I do?

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

Hi, I want to change the M510 motor for an M560, but my current motor works with a 36V battery and the new one with a 48V battery. What should I do?

You can use it.
I've been delayed in making that specific video for my channel. But ultimately, the communication port for the battery will self-regulate the battery to work with any motor regardless of firmware.
As long as you haven't bypassed the original wire harness by using a different wire harness, it's essentially "plug-n-play".

The caveats would be the discharge rate of the 36v battery and motor calibration.

Technically, the 36v battery is incapable of discharging a current capable of the M560 achieving 130NM of torque. Moreso (if you compare it to a Bosch Gen4), it feels like you get the true 95NM of torque quoted by Bafang for the M510. But this is to be expected, as internally the M560 is using steel gears instead of nylon. And the motor' stotar is capable of achieving a rpm greater than the M510.

As for calibration, this would only affect you if you have the Besst Tool. In that circumstance, the motor requires the same battery voltage as the firmware installed. So you would need to either change the firmware to the M510' 36v firmware. Or, use a 48v battery to calibrate the motor before installing onto the E-Mythique. But again, this is ONLY for Besst Tool users. And you would only need to calibrate the motor, if a new controller or torque sensor are installed.

Simply put @clSAP , you can install the M560 on the E-Mythique. And it will feel more powerful compared to the M510. But the battery will not allow you to achieve 130NM because it physically can't discharge the current.

On the flip-side, the M560 paired with the E-Mythique' 36v battery won't overheat the pcb board as easily. Meaning that using the M560 (from my own experience of using it for 5 months) has proven to be more reliable.

Hope this helps but feel free to drop me a pm if you have any questions

 

[RonanGee]

I had to change the pcb board again for the second time. Bike wouldn't power on. At least they're relatively cheap.

 

[Dado]

You can use it.
I've been delayed in making that specific video for my channel. But ultimately, the communication port for the battery will self-regulate the battery to work with any motor regardless of firmware.
As long as you haven't bypassed the original wire harness by using a different wire harness, it's essentially "plug-n-play".

The caveats would be the discharge rate of the 36v battery and motor calibration.

Technically, the 36v battery is incapable of discharging a current capable of the M560 achieving 130NM of torque. Moreso (if you compare it to a Bosch Gen4), it feels like you get the true 95NM of torque quoted by Bafang for the M510. But this is to be expected, as internally the M560 is using steel gears instead of nylon. And the motor' stotar is capable of achieving a rpm greater than the M510.

As for calibration, this would only affect you if you have the Besst Tool. In that circumstance, the motor requires the same battery voltage as the firmware installed. So you would need to either change the firmware to the M510' 36v firmware. Or, use a 48v battery to calibrate the motor before installing onto the E-Mythique. But again, this is ONLY for Besst Tool users. And you would only need to calibrate the motor, if a new controller or torque sensor are installed.

Simply put @clSAP , you can install the M560 on the E-Mythique. And it will feel more powerful compared to the M510. But the battery will not allow you to achieve 130NM because it physically can't discharge the current.

On the flip-side, the M560 paired with the E-Mythique' 36v battery won't overheat the pcb board as easily. Meaning that using the M560 (from my own experience of using it for 5 months) has proven to be more reliable.

Hope this helps but feel free to drop me a pm if you have any questions

Neeko, M560 is working with 36V CAN battery?

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

Neeko, M560 is working with 36V CAN battery?

If you use the wire harness with the comms port, you can bypass the firmware voltage requirements.

If the wire harness is the typical 1-1 or 1-2, then the only way to get the M560 to work with a 36v battery is to use the m510' 36v firmware.

But as you well know @Dado, the M560 used with M510s firmware essentially becomes an M510

 

[clSAP]

Puedes usarlo
Me he retrasado en hacer ese video específico para mi canal. Pero, en definitiva, el puerto de comunicación de la batería la regulará automáticamente para que funcione con cualquier motor, independientemente del firmware.
Siempre y cuando no hayas pasado por alto el mazo de cables original utilizando un mazo de cables diferente, es esencialmente "plug-n-play".

Las advertencias serían la tasa de descarga de la batería de 36v y la calibración del motor.

Técnicamente, la batería de 36 V no puede descargar una corriente que permita al M560 alcanzar 130 Nm de par. Es más, si se compara con una Bosch Gen4, da la sensación de obtener los 95 Nm de par que Bafang indica para el M510. Sin embargo, esto es previsible, ya que el M560 utiliza engranajes de acero en lugar de nailon. Además, el motor alcanza unas RPM superiores a las del M510.

En cuanto a la calibración, esto solo te afectará si tienes la herramienta Besst. En ese caso, el motor requiere el mismo voltaje de batería que el firmware instalado. Por lo tanto, deberás cambiar el firmware al de 36 V del M510 o usar una batería de 48 V para calibrar el motor antes de instalarlo en el E-Mythique. Sin embargo, esto es SOLO para usuarios de la herramienta Besst. Y solo necesitarás calibrar el motor si se instala un nuevo controlador o sensor de par.

En pocas palabras, @clSAP, puedes instalar el M560 en el E-Mythique. Y se sentirá más potente que el M510. Sin embargo, la batería no te permitirá alcanzar los 130 nm porque físicamente no puede descargar la corriente.

Por otro lado, el M560, junto con la batería de 36 V del E-Mythique, no sobrecalienta la placa PCB con tanta facilidad. Esto significa que usar el M560 (según mi propia experiencia de 5 meses) ha demostrado ser más fiable.

Espero que esto ayude, pero no dudes en enviarme un mensaje privado si tienes alguna pregunta.

Thanks a lot. So, I'm thinking of opening an M510 battery and replacing its internal cells to leave it at 48v. Reinsert and test. Is it possible?

 

[Dado]

If you use the wire harness with the comms port, you can bypass the firmware voltage requirements.

If the wire harness is the typical 1-1 or 1-2, then the only way to get the M560 to work with a 36v battery is to use the m510' 36v firmware.

But as you well know @Dado, the M560 used with M510s firmware essentially becomes an M510

I will check, wouldnt motor go to Low Voltage error?

Controllers looks the same here in M560 and M510, but thats not a good aproach to flash different firmware. There could be some glitches.

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

I will check, wouldnt motor go to Low Voltage error?

Controllers looks the same here in M560 and M510, but thats not a good aproach to flash different firmware. There could be some glitches.

Truth be told, I've not used (ridden) the M560 with M510 firmware.
Bafang have told me that they have no intention of releasing a 36v firmware for the M560, due to the maximum current requirements which can only be achieved with a 48v battery.

I guess it depends on the discharge rate of the battery. But logically, the range (especially on the Vitus E-Mythique) has been reduced.

 

[clSAP]

Truth be told, I've not used (ridden) the M560 with M510 firmware.
Bafang have told me that they have no intention of releasing a 36v firmware for the M560, due to the maximum current requirements which can only be achieved with a 48v battery.

I guess it depends on the discharge rate of the battery. But logically, the range (especially on the Vitus E-Mythique) has been reduced.

I want the M560 on a reliable bike. The Emythique gives me that confidence... however, I see that there are too many changes to risk... Do you know of any other reliable ebike models with the M560? Thanks for helping me.

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

Thanks a lot. So, I'm thinking of opening an M510 battery and replacing its internal cells to leave it at 48v. Reinsert and test. Is it possible?

I wouldn't bother.
Whilst you can get a third party (unofficial Bafang) battery pack built within the case, the best capacity would be a 48v14amp = 672wh. Barely enough difference for overall range.
In addition, it remains unclear what type of BMS would be used. So I abandoned that project a while back.

If it helps, I can forward the specs and schematics of the proposed battery to you if you wish to pursue it.

 

[Neeko DeVinchi]

I want the M560 on a reliable bike. The Emythique gives me that confidence... however, I see that there are too many changes to risk... Do you know of any other reliable ebike models with the M560? Thanks for helping me.

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