Rail (750Wh) Trek - New bikes this coming week

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Mteam said:

The technology in the TQ HPR® 120S

Here’s what makes the TQ HPR® 120S e-bike motor so unique
www.tq-group.com www.tq-group.com

Is this the new motor then?

Doesn't sound brilliant at 4kg in weight....
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They’ve had a 120nm motor for a long time. That one is not for the bike market.

On Facebook someone is claiming it’ll be called the HPR120X.
 
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Today I did 23 miles and a bit over 4,000 ft in my 45 Nm de-tuned Sport mode 80% with lowered assist and 20% eMTB stock mode. I had 39% battery remaining. So the range is good. If the new Fuel can basically do that and I think it can, I'd love the 6-7 lb weight loss. The is the only thing I feel especially in slow rocky chunk...the 51-lb weight.
 
F4Flyer said:
Today I did 23 miles and a bit over 4,000 ft in my 45 Nm de-tuned Sport mode 80% with lowered assist and 20% eMTB stock mode. I had 39% battery remaining. So the range is good. If the new Fuel can basically do that and I think it can, I'd love the 6-7 lb weight loss. The is the only thing I feel especially in slow rocky chunk...the 51-lb weight.
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better start saving Your money, Your going to need it ;)
 
I was in my local trek store yesterday, Didn't notice any significant discounts on the slashes and fuels, they seemed to have good stock as well...
 
mike425 said:
I was in my local trek store yesterday, Didn't notice any significant discounts on the slashes and fuels, they seemed to have good stock as well...
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In the US every eMTB that’s available is on sale.

Slash+
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Rail+
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And the Fuel+ EX9.7 is on sale. All other Fuel+ are not available at the moment.
 
Anyone else noticed that they lowered the price on the new model Gen 5 Rails to $4999? Not the sale price on last years, but the actual price on this years. That's conveniently the same price Specialized lowered the alloy gen 4 Levo to.
 
So, what are we expecting exactly? A new TQ but with dramatically more power?

I ordered an EX+ for my gf last week and don't care one bit that they are getting updated as I think it was already an ideal motor system for her needs and the price was very right.

But I love seeing the new stuff!
 
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Leakintheboat said:
Had a call on Friday to say an Email Will come through on 26th(AU) about new bikes.
No more information but Are they looking at replacing the Rail+ already?? We've sold Heaps of these and people are still asking for them despite the Avinox being there

Hopefully not DJI as Based on our customers I dont think they are Wanting to send their money to the Chinese and support the power wars.(not my opinion, except im not a fan of power wars either)
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I guess they lied.
 
Mteam said:
This is why I bought the slash+ With the tq motor. If I had an avinox bike (or bosch for that matter) I'd need to de tune it down to the same power level as the tq in order to get the range I want, but the bike would still be heavier than one with the tq system.
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This, 100%. There is no way around the fact that every MFG's 800wh batteries alone weigh 3.8kg/8.5lbs. Add a motor, remote etc and you're adding 13lbs+ motor/system weight to any bicycle platform. Also need brakes, tires & suspension suitable for that added weight. It's easy to see why full power bikes are stuck at around 23kg/50lbs min.

Unless there's some real quantum leap forward in terms of efficiency, it's hard to see how a more powerful motor won't also require a larger/heavier battery to get acceptable range.

I'd rather see things get lighter & more durable, at 60nm, without compromising range....

Then again, maybe there's some other innovation coming. Like a more durable, user-serviceable motor!
 
Eduardoramundo said:
I guess they lied.
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Nobody lied, there was a Product line released to Dealers with a brand new bike(well new enough to sort motor and battery/s ;)) that was being targeted at Amflow.
Not yet available to order but soon.

It will be worth it - Same as myself, Im not going to spill anymore details.
however I will leave with this, Target market is Amflow's offering but with option/s of MORE....... for less.
 
My guess is the 120nm mentioned earlier, and possibly a two battery combo, 600+300 to give you a combination of both or big or small battery depending on what ride you’re going on …. :unsure:
 
DocUK said:
a two battery combo, 600+300
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That would be a nice combo. I think the 580wh is a good size for the current TQ but the 160 extender is kind of small. 600 should suit most daily riding but having the 300 for a total of 900 on those big epic days would be honey. Still I would like to see the last 10% of the battery being more usable though and not wattage restricted.

I'll be interesting to see what happens.
 
Roaming50 said:
That would be a nice combo. I think the 580wh is a good size for the current TQ but the 160 extender is kind of small. 600 should suit most daily riding but having the 300 for a total of 900 on those big epic days would be honey. Still I would like to see the last 10% of the battery being more usable though and not wattage restricted.

I'll be interesting to see what happens.
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Can’t see a 300 battery being used on its own much with a 120 motor but the 600 or 900 options definitely appeal. No different to do a fake the range extender or not really.

For me personally whilst I don’t have extensive experience on a full power E-bike, I’ve had my HPR50 coming up a year and I say to myself I think the sweet spot must be 70 maybe 80 nm but a battery that means you can run it in 2nd 3rd more often and I think that’s all you need.

I’ve never ran out of battery once with or without range extender, never felt compromised either, if I had a wish it would be something like a 700 battery with range extender option just so you can run that 2nd mode a bit more, but I’ve never felt compromised by the motor I have at all, in fact I think it’s a belter
 
I was looking at the new Fuel + as I thought it hit the sweet spot of battery and power. Then along came a very good deal on a Bosch SX bike with a 400wh battery. Having now ridden this bike quite a bit on my local steep terrain, I’m more and more convinced that, at the moment, and for me, 60Nm is plenty power. I would perhaps like a larger built in battery but I have a RE of 250wh when needed. Sadly, it now seems that eMTB is all about headline figures but the TQ system seems perfect for package size and weight. Hopefully, TQ don’t get drawn into an arms race and I reckon if they can keep the weight down and have a decent motor still with plenty (relatively speaking) of oomph, they would corner a decent chunk of the market after a lightweight trail bike that just assists, and doesn’t take you for a ride.
 
Str1fe said:
I think we should be careful with rumors on the internet... 2 weeks ago everyone was talking about a new TQ motor at the eurobike and nothing happened.
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No Rumors here., I've seen it and watched the Trek presentation on it.
As for a genuine rumor, As per many other brands - They've had issues with Eurobike and pulled out - Eurobike has been pushing the More city style Bike stuff for a bit now as its a huge market(as Most bikes sold are to city goers who don't follow FB groups or Bike forums etc)

As for TQ, IF ;) there is a new one... I would say It'll get released alongside a bike that people can buy, Which is Long been Trek's Trend... They can release a bike on a Saturday and you can Go pick one up on Monday - which is why most of their bikes get Leaked.
My understanding is Dealer only preorders will be available soon for pre release stock.
 
On another TQ thread, I wasn't convinced they'd launch a new motor with power figures too close to the HPR60. It wouldn't make much sense to make your mid-power motor obsolete after just one year.

That said, if they manage to come up with a proper full-power system while keeping the same quiet, natural feel, I think it'll be a serious contender.
 
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