he German laboratory has conducted an accurate measurement. My current stance is based on the premise that the figures provided by Specialized may not be accurate, as they are not corroborated by real-world tests. Therefore, my comparison is between versions 1.1 and 1.2, and I have made my calculations available for public scrutiny.
I haven't watched the video yet... but do they test more than one SL1.2 motor? As previously mentioned, and covered in various SL threads, there seem to be some motors / users having different experiences with them. Some users are reporting a big difference between 1.1 to 1.2 when testing back to back (at 100/100), and others are reporting a minor increase in power.
OK, well the peaks that some others are seeing are greater than 400w electrical.
Mid August in Cape Town South Africa is middle of winter.
I’m not sure why your tone is so aggressive. I’m trying to understand your posts and data and (like you requested) add some commentary. You’re calling people out - no one here is out to get you.
@Rob Rides EMTB, consistently relying on data from questionable or theoretical sources makes it challenging to have meaningful discussions. I suggest that you conduct your own tests, which would lay the foundation for a more objective conversation. I have personally taken the initiative to run tests and share my findings.
Isn't it a bit odd that this thread has had a gander from over 23,000 pairs of eyes and yet, not a single soul has trotted out any data to counter mine? You'd think with the shiny new SL 1.2 on the market, we'd see a flood of cyclists zipping through Strava with eye-popping, record-breaking rides and broadcasting their massive time gains. But what do we have? Tumbleweeds, my friend, tumbleweeds.
It should be easy to demonstrate a difference between the 1.1 motor and the 1.2 motor, set them both in max assist, max power, then pedal up the same hill (with the same rider), the 1.2 should get to the top faster with 320w assistance compared to 240w assistance. Just make sure the rider is putting the same effort in on both bikes and that effort is sufficient for the both motors to be giving max assist.
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So me not accepting data from Specialized on there own product which is in contradiction to my own real world test is me being a conspiracy theorist.Just a reminder to treat fellow members with respect.
Whilst @Fit_Fat_almost_50 might be frustrated with their personal results, please try to keep the conversation civilised and non accusatory. Your comments to @knut7 are not acceptable. He's reported what he's experienced which coincides with the experiences of nearly everyone who has tested the bike and written about it.
Some other examples if you don't understand :
You also keep using the word "Discussion" so discuss, don't badger for :
Your other comments are openly aggressive. You're welcome to use the forum to discuss your problem and try to solve and understand the situation YOU have. Reading back through the thread others have suggested ideas and thoughts.
Another example :
@p3eps said :
Which you dismissed and replied :
Your results are subjective and yet you're discussing them when they contradict the data and experiences of others. Ok. Someone else has done a test - does that make their results accurate and real. You're dismissing the results of one person who's written their findings, but accepting those of another because they fit with your feelings.
You asked him for his view and he gave you the data from Specialized - that's not a theoretical source.
True, if you choose to ignore the hundreds of watt and amp results from many riders on many bikes and all the riders who say their 1.2 is faster than their 1.1. (Agreed, there are people who have not had the 1.2 being more powerful than the 1.1 result - but you dismissed that side of the discussion). I don't really think you can use Strava's calculated "power" figure as a scientific data point either.
Everyone's treating you with respect and being polite despite your approach, please act the same. If you want to have a discussion, have a discussion. If you want to just be a conspiracy theorists and talk gibberish ** - please do it somewhere else like "The Lounge".
** There is already a thread for this :
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Yes, but no …Here's what Specialized say:
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So they are claiming the 1.2 motor is outputting what has been found in the data; peaks of 320w, but still, 250w of nominal power, which I think is what @Fit_Fat_almost_50 is seeing in his data?
They claim the 1.1 puts out 240w nominal and 240w peak
Source:
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Again, you seem to be consistently argumentative rather than reading what is actually written.
It's these comments, where you choose to only accept your "subjective" results and not the results of others which make you sound like a conspiracy theorist.
I'm pretty sure you were told you were welcome to discuss. Being impolite and making unsubstantiated accusations to other members is what you were asked to refrain from doing.
You can accept or deny what you like. That's your prerogative, but you seem to expect everyone else to accept your results.
Maybe it's because nobody else gives a shit?
As one of the 23,000 the reason I haven't tried to contradict your findings (or equally confirm them), is that I don't have access to an SL1.2 motor to test and compare.
I’ve pretty much done this test. I have a technical climb I can’t do on a 1.1 motor, but can do on a 1.2 motor… both on 100/100.
Are you saying that a marketing department has made exaggerated claims about their newest, shiniest product?
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We don't want to know which is the best in a lab - the manufacturers tell us those numbers, we want to know how they feel to a human in comparison to the competition.Is he in a padded cell for the duration?
