DirkWisely
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I was lucky to get to rent any size I wanted for a full days riding locally.
Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread
- Thread starter Rob Rides EMTB
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I’m guessing the fixed rear triangle size is most ideal on a S4, so I’d double check the S2 vs S3 geo in your research. The S3 might have a better front/rear center.
ptkatoomer
Member
Well, first ride on my first Specialized. A new Levo 4 Comp Alloy . This is my second emtn bike after a '23 YT Decoy Mx10. This Levo is better in every single aspect for the kind of riding I like to do. I'm pumped!
Gila Man
Active member
And the size you chose waaassss?
ptkatoomer
Member
S3. Think a big part of the problem with the Decoy is it was too big. A size large. This bike just feels so balanced with the handling and suspension.
Gila Man
Active member
Excellent! I hope you have as much fun on yours as I do on mine.
Double l
Member
Has there been many gen 4 motors breaking or is it too early to see as it's not that old yet ?
Eduardoramundo
E*POWAH Master
None that I am aware of. The motors seem very reliable.
PeterHenric
Member
Other than people complaining of the noise after the software update, I’ve not heard of any engine issues. There was the cradle issue that seems to have been resolved.
Specialized still sucking hind tit? ........"Sucking hind tit" is an American idiom meaning, to be in a disadvantaged, neglected, or last-place position, often receiving the least resources.
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The Levo R concept is such a good discussion to have
I kinda like the R. It's burly like its brother, but why must every emtb ideally look like an analogue mtb?
For this season I have 3 options - 1) get the R if Specialized would give me a good reason, 2) see if I can get hold of one of the new Avinox M2S bikes or 3) wait it out and schlep my Levo 4 between appartment and cottage.
R is lean and mean version of his big brother - snd please explain 3rd option
My Levo 4 has been perfect after update. Walk mode works fine. Motor is silent. It developed a rattle. Opened it up, Reattached brake hose inside frame hose clamp, silent again.
I’ve ben destroying black diamonds on it regularly. My Levo is friggin awesome.
I guess we should expect another round of proud Avinots professing their love for their non Levo 4 here. Here it comes…….
Id just be happy with another update so my motor doesn't make all these grinding noises.
Eduardinior
Member
They have to do something about it
Double l
Member
It's too late
Eduardinior
Member
Are you waiting for a new engine update and more?
I’m hoping they tweak the power output up to 120nm and 1000w. Current sources are saying Bosch already built in these parameters in the gen5 motor then dialled it back with software….surely Spesh are ahead of the game knowing the power wars were going to be reopened by Amflow in 2026
The further upgrade of performance is going in the absolute wrong direction, but sadly that's probably the market.
Come on… 150Nm, 1500W and the internet freaks out!! What‘s the next step, 200Nm, 2000W?
30 min with full power and that battery is empty!
They become motorbikes with pedals that are banned from the trails and that has nothing to do with cycling anymore… at least for me.
I know they want to sell bikes, and therefore they have to present new big numbers every generation. Hard to achieve at battery tech, easier at the motor. But I’m sure this will come with driving bans in the nature.
I have rarely used the full power on my Levo 3, and got up the steepest ramps!
I own the Levo 4 but this is already performance overkill for me.
I drive it because it serves everything I want on an Emtb.
It drives simply brilliant, great software, the best setting modes and the quality of the frame, the bearings, the genie and so on… that‘s where my focus is on and should be for the manufacturers!
It seems to me that many only look at the pure performance of the engine and no longer at the overall package.
Where I go along is the price policy, Specialized and other brands has to reconsider that!
That‘s my point of view and sorry for my english
Come on… 150Nm, 1500W and the internet freaks out!! What‘s the next step, 200Nm, 2000W?
30 min with full power and that battery is empty!
They become motorbikes with pedals that are banned from the trails and that has nothing to do with cycling anymore… at least for me.
I know they want to sell bikes, and therefore they have to present new big numbers every generation. Hard to achieve at battery tech, easier at the motor. But I’m sure this will come with driving bans in the nature.
I have rarely used the full power on my Levo 3, and got up the steepest ramps!
I own the Levo 4 but this is already performance overkill for me.
I drive it because it serves everything I want on an Emtb.
It drives simply brilliant, great software, the best setting modes and the quality of the frame, the bearings, the genie and so on… that‘s where my focus is on and should be for the manufacturers!
It seems to me that many only look at the pure performance of the engine and no longer at the overall package.
Where I go along is the price policy, Specialized and other brands has to reconsider that!
That‘s my point of view and sorry for my english
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drive2race4fun
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- Mar 31, 2026
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I am a spesh fan. Had three. Loved each of them. I really REALLY wanted to like the levo G4. I just can’t. Even got to test it, if it would have been lighter, maybe I could forgive the looks. I would’ve bought an SL3 … but 320wh in 2026? Really? Just ordered an amflow px pro … not because of the power, but rather the combination of more battery, (more than) enough grunt in each situation, agile for an ebike, …doesn’t ride as good as my SL2, but all in all it’s a way better ebike…
Ive had 8 Levos and I have loved all of them. I ride a lot and do big rides in the backcountry. I use to love my Gen4 but I just hate the update. The power is smother and such, but I don't like how the power comes on after I stop pedaling. The power dips and just sucks. Ive had some time on the update now and I do like the increase in power. It is noticeable. The grinding noise in the walk mode and when starting out is plain annoying too. I hate to say it but my next ebike will not be a Levo. I looked at my Strava and I have almost 20,000 miles and 2,000,000 ft of vertical on all the Levos all in the mountains on single track.
Here's a snippet from pinkbike in which they talk about the power upgrade.
"Bikes equipped with an S-Works motor now have up to 850 watts of peak power (an 18% increase), and the max torque remains at 111 Nm."
Maybe somebody can shed some light, I can't wrap my mind around it. How can you increase the peak power if the torque is the same? Remember, power is not measurable, is calculated. In this context, power is a product of torque and RPM. As the rider RPM (cadence) is the same and the torque is the same, yet the power is increased by 18%.
"Bikes equipped with an S-Works motor now have up to 850 watts of peak power (an 18% increase), and the max torque remains at 111 Nm."
Maybe somebody can shed some light, I can't wrap my mind around it. How can you increase the peak power if the torque is the same? Remember, power is not measurable, is calculated. In this context, power is a product of torque and RPM. As the rider RPM (cadence) is the same and the torque is the same, yet the power is increased by 18%.
As a former levo owner i wasnt bothered at all by the power difference it was more the looks and the clunky controller/display intergration. Im glad i sold my levo4 when i did as i imagine the markets tanked now all these avinoxs are out
Eduardoramundo
E*POWAH Master
The Avinox system looks great, however I have still not seen a bike that would make me move away from my Levo 4.
It just rides great.
It just rides great.
I need to learn about the Levo Evo before I do anything. Might move to an Evo; might put a link, shock, and fork on my Levo 4; might just buy a Avinox powered bike. We’ll see. In the meantime I’m totally digging my Levo 4.
garethky
New Member
I just wanted to drop in to say that I discovered a neat quirk in the new firmware:
Up to now it was not possible to set up a mode less than 10/10 support. But with the new firmware it’s possible to set a mode to 0/0. This results in an average output 65W. As far as I can tell this is undocumented and it may be a bug.
This can only be done on the TCU. If you open the app it will show 0/0 on the motor tune graph, but the app will stop you from setting that value directly. If you touch the graph it goes back to 10/10.
I love this 0/0 mode, it feels really great when group riding with analog bikes. On flat gravel (I know, not the target for the bike) I’m projected to get over 100 miles on a charge, and I weigh north of 240Lb! At 65W, the 840Wh pack should last ~13 hours, if your average speed was just 10mph you can see how the range could get that large.
This also allows you to set up a 0/30 Trail mode for hill climbs. You’ll still have to work hard for it but the bike won’t be a brick.
I really hope that Specialized doesn’t take this away in the next patch.
Other stuff:
Dynamic Micro Tune mode is documented as giving you 0/100 as the minimum support mode. But the firmware has a bug where the motor shows 0 watts when it’s clearly drawing power. The battery graph goes down but the power graph is 0.
Micro Tune has a 0/0 mode but the table in the documentation doesn’t have an entry for it. So the motor output for 0/0 isn’t officially defined anywhere.
In the old app/ firmware it was possible to hack lower power levels by configuring a long ride using the “Smart Control” feature to get sub-10 increments of power. But in the latest app they took away the ability to set up rides longer than 100 miles. Now the lowest it will suggest is 10/10.
Up to now it was not possible to set up a mode less than 10/10 support. But with the new firmware it’s possible to set a mode to 0/0. This results in an average output 65W. As far as I can tell this is undocumented and it may be a bug.
This can only be done on the TCU. If you open the app it will show 0/0 on the motor tune graph, but the app will stop you from setting that value directly. If you touch the graph it goes back to 10/10.
I love this 0/0 mode, it feels really great when group riding with analog bikes. On flat gravel (I know, not the target for the bike) I’m projected to get over 100 miles on a charge, and I weigh north of 240Lb! At 65W, the 840Wh pack should last ~13 hours, if your average speed was just 10mph you can see how the range could get that large.
This also allows you to set up a 0/30 Trail mode for hill climbs. You’ll still have to work hard for it but the bike won’t be a brick.
I really hope that Specialized doesn’t take this away in the next patch.
Other stuff:
Dynamic Micro Tune mode is documented as giving you 0/100 as the minimum support mode. But the firmware has a bug where the motor shows 0 watts when it’s clearly drawing power. The battery graph goes down but the power graph is 0.
Micro Tune has a 0/0 mode but the table in the documentation doesn’t have an entry for it. So the motor output for 0/0 isn’t officially defined anywhere.
In the old app/ firmware it was possible to hack lower power levels by configuring a long ride using the “Smart Control” feature to get sub-10 increments of power. But in the latest app they took away the ability to set up rides longer than 100 miles. Now the lowest it will suggest is 10/10.
DuncanDoughnuts
Active member
Curious if you set 0/50 if it will give you a 100% support to 405W ?
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