Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread

[WatermanJim]

the gen 4 will obviously go farther all things being equal with the bigger battery.
Sure the higher voltage should help with efficiency and the gen 4 feels a wee bit more efficient than gen 3.

this is real life range results.

 

[WatermanJim]

what boggles my mind is that nobody is talking about (unless I've missed it somewhere) how easy it is to steal the battery on the gen 4 levo... 10 seconds and your battery is GONE!

There is an alarm system you can set in the app. if the bike is moved it will beep supposedly, the info is in the manual.

 

[WatermanJim]

Anyone have a sweet rattle coming from the front of their gen 4? I have a pro. I have checked all the normal stuff but it almost seems like it is coming from the fork. Headset is tight, cables are well managed outside the frame and inside, mavens don’t typically have pad rattle. Cannot find the culprit of the noise but it is annoying af.

I will say if you ride anything somewhat gnarly/steep, the long chainstay setting is 100%. Makes it feel much more capable of a bike at speed and on the steeps. Traction on flat corners is improved too.

I felt that twice and it was the battery cover. i ditched all the swat stuff and put in a star nut like usual.
You must be fast AF to feel the need for longer chainstays. Stability with the short chainstays is fine imo, and i like the higher BB for logovers as we have many. slightly more clearance than gen3.

 

[emtbeast]

u riding with shuttle On,

the gen 4 will obviously go farther all things being equal with the bigger battery.
Sure the higher voltage should help with efficiency and the gen 4 feels a wee bit more efficient than gen 3.

this is real life range results.
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WOW Looks like Shuttle + Auto burn an insane amount of energy.

With your weight(175) this is one of the worst battery consumption result I have ever seen. It is cca 62Wh per 100m altitude gain, compared to others in Turbo, Bosch CX cca 42Wh, Giant cca 48Wh, Avinox in Boost 70+Wh.

Would love to see the gen 4 motor slightly detuned to gen 3 levels, normal one to cca 90/90, the S-WORKS to cca 80/80, Shuttle off and see a ride result predominantly in Trail mode.

 

[Citylad77]

There is an alarm system you can set in the app. if the bike is moved it will beep supposedly, the info is in the manual.

I never got why Spec made it such a big thing to give this gen 4 a batt that is easy to remove. I can not think of once over the past 7 years and 7 EMTBs that at any single time i have thought

" would be helpful to take the Batt out"

I did laugh on one of the videos in which the Chap from Spec made a big point of how fast he could remove the batt.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

I never got why Spec made it such a big thing to give this gen 4 a batt that is easy to remove. I can not think of once over the past 7 years and 7 EMTBs that at any single time i have thought

" would be helpful to take the Batt out"

I did laugh on one of the videos in which the Chap from Spec made a big point of how fast he could remove the batt.

I take my battery out all the time.
I constantly swap between my 700 and 500 batteries depending on the ride . I love the light 500 in my bike.
Then in winter when I’m up north I store the battery in house as my bike room out side will often drop to -8 for a few weeks.

And then I remove it and keep in the air conditioned car when I’m driving through 45deg heat.

We also a few multi day 80km/day stage races here where they allow a 1/2 way battery swap. Would not be able to do this kind of event without a removable battery.

I really like the removable battery. Could they have gone with a more elegant solution? Sure.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

Ordered my gen4 Comp S4 in satin champagne yesterday. Was going to spring for an S Works but S4 not available to order until August where I live and that would mean the extra $1350 surcharge after May 1, which was a no go for me. Hoping specialized will eventually approve full power for all models. My LBS was placing a huge order for bikes the qualified for free shipping from specialized that will come by boat and my order got added to that so I saved the $200 shipping charge to Hawaii from the mainland. Did anyone with an S4 weigh the bike with just the range extender in place? At least half of my bike rides each week will be done in this configuration.

Please
Post some pics when you get it. Won’t be getting the comp here for some time.
And I’m curious to see when it looks like in the sun. They all seem to look different outdoors.

 

[Oddy72]

Well, you got a point.
But in any case I would never leave such an expensive bike out of my sight when I am around

Me neither , and f I stop for a coffee (beer) anywhere. I’d never let the bike out of my sight. Never. Have. Never will. Even at home. It’s kept secure in the house. Yes it’s easy to remove the battery, but I think it’s a good thing. Especially for ending the ride. Battery out bike on rack or in the car. And away you go.

 

[GodsTherapist]

I did laugh on one of the videos in which the Chap from Spec made a big point of how fast he could remove the batt.

Faster then any F1 tyre technican

 

[WatermanJim]

I never got why Spec made it such a big thing to give this gen 4 a batt that is easy to remove. I can not think of once over the past 7 years and 7 EMTBs that at any single time i have thought

" would be helpful to take the Batt out"

I did laugh on one of the videos in which the Chap from Spec made a big point of how fast he could remove the batt.

I agree. the best part is access when working on the bike.
Im sure they figured if it was not easily removeable more people would complain.

 

[WatermanJim]

WOW Looks like Shuttle + Auto burn an insane amount of energy.

With your weight(175) this is one of the worst battery consumption result I have ever seen. It is cca 62Wh per 100m altitude gain, compared to others in Turbo, Bosch CX cca 42Wh, Giant cca 48Wh, Avinox in Boost 70+Wh.

Would love to see the gen 4 motor slightly detuned to gen 3 levels, normal one to cca 90/90, the S-WORKS to cca 80/80, Shuttle off and see a ride result predominantly in Trail mode.

no shuttle and i think the range is fine. your calc is not taking into account distance.

 

[WatermanJim]

So i had trouble with deraileur power from the moment we turned it on at the shop. it started working and we thought ok np. well i had intermittent problems a few times and had to remove the hot shoe and use a battery. just took out the motor and found that the wire was pinched. good news is that the new motor is small and light feeling and its 5x easier to remove and replace. no spacers and all the main bolts are the same size. Also the spider slides off new spline easy so no puller needed. the nut was not that tight so i would recommend re-torque.

Also the battery is where the extra weight is, and i have decided that its not a bad thing. I realize that the better coasting feeling is from the extra weight. once you're up to speed it wants to keep it and rolls better than gen3. im sure fresh bearings help but the extra weight means more momentum and you can feel the extra flow.

 

[WatermanJim]

Please
Post some pics when you get it. Won’t be getting the comp here for some time.
And I’m curious to see when it looks like in the sun. They all seem to look different outdoors.

Only the s-works paint changes color.
my green expert looks the same all the time.
no worries

 

[Eduardinior]

Los propietarios de la generación 4 serían tan amables de poner los consumos que realice

 

[GodsTherapist]

Only the s-works paint changes color.

Also the blue one!

 

[emtbeast]

no shuttle and i think the range is fine. your calc is not taking into account distance.

Really, I think you are kidding yourself about it, this is one of my last rides, pretty comparable by distance 53km(33mil) and average speed 15kph(9,3mph) and similar assist settings(fyi 4 is the level of Auto on my ebike), although the altitude gain 1796m(5892ft) is a huge difference.
Mine has an 800Wh battery, finished the ride with 4% remaining, 200lb+ ride ready, 26,5kg Reign E+, the average consumption was cca 44Wh per 100m climb.

If we take into account that you are 15lb lighter and the motor has cca 15Nm more that should even things out just a bit, but even then 63Wh/100m vs 44Wh/100m with only 15Nm more is massive.
Sorry but to this kind of consumption is not acceptable, I am really interested if all Levos will have such high consumption. My suspicion is on the Auto mode, as said would love to see Trail mode on the same ride.

 

[unclezz]

Really, I think you are kidding yourself about it, this is one of my last rides, pretty comparable by distance 53km(33mil) and average speed 15kph(9,3mph) and similar assist settings(fyi 4 is the level of Auto on my ebike), although the altitude gain 1796m(5892ft) is a huge difference.
Mine has an 800Wh battery, finished the ride with 4% remaining, 200lb+ ride ready, 26,5kg Reign E+, the average consumption was cca 44Wh per 100m climb.

If we take into account that you are 15lb lighter and the motor has cca 15Nm more that should even things out just a bit, but even then 63Wh/100m vs 44Wh/100m with only 15Nm more is massive.
Sorry but to this kind of consumption is not acceptable, I am really interested if all Levos will have such high consumption. My suspicion is on the Auto mode, as said would love to see Trail mode on the same ride.View attachment 159478View attachment 159479

I agree with this. And we definitely need to have more data in hands to conclude that the battery consumption is that high.
If confirmed this can be a real deal breaker for a lot of people!

 

[Citylad77]

I agree with this. And we definitely need to have more data in hands to conclude that the battery consumption is that high.
If confirmed this can be a real deal breaker for a lot of people!

From what I have seen so far, the AMflow with its 800w has more efficient battery consumption software than what Spec have put in its high end Gen 4 Motor.

The need to go back to th drawing board with this new bike on so many levels IMO.

 

[B-man]

Whats the most miles and vert someone has gotten on a gen 4. Ive ridden 30-35 miles with 6K ft vertical on one battery with my gen3.

 

[RichMorr]

Whats the most miles and vert someone has gotten on a gen 4. Ive ridden 30-35 miles with 6K ft vertical on one battery with my gen3.

I’ve done similar about 36 miles with 4k ft and about 35% of battery life. This is with mixture of eco / trail on my Gen 3 be good to see the difference with the 700 and 840 battery.

 

[MarkE192]

I’ve done similar about 36 miles with 4k ft and about 35% of battery life. This is with mixture of eco / trail on my Gen 3 be good to see the difference with the 700 and 840 battery.

My longest ride on the gen 4 so far has been 30.5 miles 5100 feet elevation. I was in dynamic tune between 40/100 and 60/100. 70% of the time in 40/100. I had 10% left when I got back. I weigh around 205 lbs. I do feel the new stock tires on my S4 Pro are super soft and sticky. There are so many factors to range on these bikes. I think it is a WAG as to which are more or less efficient. I think the bigger the battery the more range you can achieve. At least that is how I am going to look at it.

 

[electricbogaloo]

From what I have seen so far, the AMflow with its 800w has more efficient battery consumption software than what Spec have put in its high end Gen 4 Motor.

The need to go back to th drawing board with this new bike on so many levels IMO.

That's all just software. In theory the motor could be tuned for all kinds of assist and consumption settings. I doubt they didn't test this motor for max range.

 

[Phil M]

I’ll have a good comparison in a couple of weeks..

Most I can get out of my gen3 has been 32 miles and 6000ft climbing… that’s eco everywhere unless as a last resort I *need* more power. I’m about 95kgs so not light but I’d say I'm very fit.

I’ll tune eco on the new one the same as my gen3, although I expect the % to be lower… and I’m hoping this will get me to 7000+ft of climbing over maybe 36/37 miles.

Range extender due too where I should be able to hit 9000ft… that’s how I ride and I want to go as far as possible.

 

[emtbeast]

From what I have seen so far, the AMflow with its 800w has more efficient battery consumption software than what Spec have put in its high end Gen 4 Motor.

The need to go back to th drawing board with this new bike on so many levels IMO.

I don't think so, not really, the Avinox in constant Boost mode eats cca 71Wh/100m altitude gain with a 75kg rider, 44km, 1123m climbed with the whole 800Wh battery.

if you want to check it out yt eng subs are your friend.》》》》


So far I didn't see a full comparable test in Turbo yet, but from some reviews I have seen I feel it would be probably very near the Levo numbers.

There is no cheating in physics, the consumption numbers just can't be much different at the same Power levels.
The differences that we do see, come from system(rider+bike) weight, trail conditions, tyre type and type of riding.

Many people also forget that a lot of accelerating-technical uphill is much much more demanding on the battery consumption then a fire road or comparable climb where you keep your cadence steady and constant.

 

[emtbeast]

My longest ride on the gen 4 so far has been 30.5 miles 5100 feet elevation. I was in dynamic tune between 40/100 and 60/100. 70% of the time in 40/100. I had 10% left when I got back. I weigh around 205 lbs. I do feel the new stock tires on my S4 Pro are super soft and sticky. There are so many factors to range on these bikes. I think it is a WAG as to which are more or less efficient. I think the bigger the battery the more range you can achieve. At least that is how I am going to look at it.

This sounds like a reasonable consumption number for the Power/Torque numbers the gen 4 offers. Your ride would result in cca 48Wh per 100m(328ft) altitude gain.

Considering your settings that were Trail like with max power on demand, weight/like me a month ago and the heavy Butchers on your wheels I think this is pretty acceptable.

 

[WatermanJim]

Really, I think you are kidding yourself about it, this is one of my last rides, pretty comparable by distance 53km(33mil) and average speed 15kph(9,3mph) and similar assist settings(fyi 4 is the level of Auto on my ebike), although the altitude gain 1796m(5892ft) is a huge difference.
Mine has an 800Wh battery, finished the ride with 4% remaining, 200lb+ ride ready, 26,5kg Reign E+, the average consumption was cca 44Wh per 100m climb.

If we take into account that you are 15lb lighter and the motor has cca 15Nm more that should even things out just a bit, but even then 63Wh/100m vs 44Wh/100m with only 15Nm more is massive.
Sorry but to this kind of consumption is not acceptable, I am really interested if all Levos will have such high consumption. My suspicion is on the Auto mode, as said would love to see Trail mode on the same ride.View attachment 159478View attachment 159479

thanks ,

you right but the gen 3 was no better. i didnt want to use auto (yes it is a power waster even in minus) but its inbetween eco and trail and trail was too much stock setting.
i dont know how hard you were working but i was taking it easy and using more power than i needed. I think i can squeeze out 40 miles and 5k vert. i will try asap.

 

[luna87824]

I never got why Spec made it such a big thing to give this gen 4 a batt that is easy to remove. I can not think of once over the past 7 years and 7 EMTBs that at any single time i have thought

" would be helpful to take the Batt out"

I did laugh on one of the videos in which the Chap from Spec made a big point of how fast he could remove the batt.

It's so, we can get to the super secret, not known or seen or not meant to be known or seen by others, SWAT Storage Bag hidden in the down tube...

 

[Eduardoramundo]

Whats the most miles and vert someone has gotten on a gen 4. Ive ridden 30-35 miles with 6K ft vertical on one battery with my gen3.

Same here.

Unless someone has done more than 2000m / 6500ft on a G4 then I’m not interested

 

[Albertocsoares]

Mostly eco and auto-, easy trails riding with my inexperienced son in law

 

[Mlmckay15]

I take my battery out all the time.
I constantly swap between my 700 and 500 batteries depending on the ride . I love the light 500 in my bike.
Then in winter when I’m up north I store the battery in house as my bike room out side will often drop to -8 for a few weeks.

And then I remove it and keep in the air conditioned car when I’m driving through 45deg heat.

We also a few multi day 80km/day stage races here where they allow a 1/2 way battery swap. Would not be able to do this kind of event without a removable battery.

I really like the removable battery. Could they have gone with a more elegant solution? Sure.

Removable battery is a must for me, 2 day ride staying in huts in the mountains with no power, have to carry a second battery.