Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread

That is to be expected because the more powerful motor draws more power from the battery.
This statement doesn't answer their question, and I am still waiting to see some quality range tests, as the few I have seen were flawed. Example in the one range test the rider had shuttle turned on the entire test. I want to see a constant cadence in Turbo & Trail, also would like to see min /max efforts with micro tune. At the end of the day Yes if you ride it at max power all the time it will use more power than the gen3.... but then are you even MTBing?
 
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What do you reckon will your LBS let customers pay the extra 10% or will they bear the cost themselves?

I said this in the rumors thread, that if you were on the fence about this bike then you better get off as you would end up paying more. I was told the same thing that the price tag on these bikes would show the regular price plus the added tariff cost in the USA. Now how this works in other countries.. no idea... but my s-works would basically get 2k more expensive, and NO.. your LBS is not eating that price!
 
Went to the dealer today. They had S-Works in the red color, a Comp in the rosé-champagne tone and a Pro in Gloss Metallic Obsidian. The latter will be my choice - looks great in the color in my opinion, unfortunately only in S3 in the store. So I ordered one today in S4, should be at my dealer within 4-6 weeks.

Yes, the down tube is really fat. Next to it was a Santa Cruz Vala, which also doesn't have a discreet down tube, but looked a bit sportier. In my opinion, the design of the Levo 4 has become more “well-behaved” and could be a little more wild regarding colours and labels in my opinion. The motor looks pleasingly slim, especially to the old one and also compared to the Bosch. The integration is well done. In terms of function, I also have confidence, as it is robustly built and trimmed for durability. In addition, Speci is generally known for its goodwill, so I take the risk to be one of the early adopters.

All in all, the Gen 4 characteristics are great for many use cases (for me: especially the Alps and Lake Garda in northern Italy) with the flexibility offered by the overall package. Rear suspension performance should be between Vala and Bullit. I will throw it at fast, technical trails in the aforementioned terrain with long climbs. I think it offers the right mix of performance, geo-flexibility and range. For me, I would set the geo to chainstays in the long position, shock -6mm and steering angle flat.

I have a Gen 1 from 2018 (Expert Carbon) that wants to be replaced - still with the 1st motor, by the way, probably lucky. So this time I can go all in for the Pro, even if I'm broke now, of course... :)
 
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Here in SD the bike shop that I checked out the new Gen4 last week said I better buy now as when the tariff kick in the price would increase 10%.
Im standing pat with my Gen 3 as it’s set up for what I want and don’t see any benefit in trying to sell mine and then having to do the same to a new bike.
Fox 38, Cascade long travel link, carbon wheelset, carbon bars, 220 rotors, spank pedals, deristrictor, boost battery and flush mount plug, spank seat, Maxxis tires, you get the idea.
 
With those super upgrades to your Gen 3 I wouldn't update to the Gen 4 and ride it for at least 1 or 2 more seasons.
 
True Story, if you place it in Class 3 it reduces the power to 250w, says it right on screen. Honestly for all the haters that complained about this it is really only viable on flat smooth bike paths. If you want to fly on the trails then you would go into the settings and turn on shuttle and crank it to 100%. Basically Max power for the least input power.
Wind resistance is a bitch over 20 mph and also hilly roads to the trailhead might be a limiting factors - I want to test this out - but I am not sure if I have this feature, still checking on this.
 
This statement doesn't answer their question, and I am still waiting to see some quality range tests, as the few I have seen were flawed. Example in the one range test the rider had shuttle turned on the entire test. I want to see a constant cadence in Turbo & Trail, also would like to see min /max efforts with micro tune. At the end of the day Yes if you ride it at max power all the time it will use more power than the gen3.... but then are you even MTBing?
You need dyno testing for that. I think Velomotion did some testing in a neutral setting like that. In a real world approach there are too many variables.

Also the person test riding it said it was much faster and more powerful and easier to get over obstacles so it sounds like the bike is set up from factory to deliver more power and subsequently uses more. Otherwise the bigger batter doesn't make sense. The bike doesn't have the bigger battery to expand the range. More like keeping the range the same with a more powerful motor.
 
Wind resistance is a bitch over 20 mph and also hilly roads to the trailhead might be a limiting factors - I want to test this out - but I am not sure if I have this feature, still checking on this.
Well when I first got the bike I slapped it into class 3 and was up to 26-28mph and it felt pretty easy (but the parking lot is only so big), but I agree that holding 28mph in the wind on a MTB may take some effort. What I have not tried to see is if shuttle works in class 3, if it does I would imagine being up at 28mph wont be very difficult. But again warning everyone as I have seen it wrong on here several times you don't get full power in class 3... its not hard to imagine why
 
You need dyno testing for that. I think Velomotion did some testing in a neutral setting like that. In a real world approach there are too many variables.

Also the person test riding it said it was much faster and more powerful and easier to get over obstacles so it sounds like the bike is set up from factory to deliver more power and subsequently uses more. Otherwise the bigger batter doesn't make sense. The bike doesn't have the bigger battery to expand the range. More like keeping the range the same with a more powerful motor.
I completely agree and Velomotion did the only constant type of test I have seen.
 
so the Range Extender is 699,- and doesn't even come with a cable (another 49,-). Also, there doesn't seem to be a Y-Splitter cable to charge the RE and the main battery at once. Revolutionarily refined!

Oh and the fancy carbon cranks are 160mm instead of 155
 
so the Range Extender is 699,- and doesn't even come with a cable (another 49,-). Also, there doesn't seem to be a Y-Splitter cable to charge the RE and the main battery at once. Revolutionarily refined!

Oh and the fancy carbon cranks are 160mm instead of 155

I thought the idea of side entry was so you can carry a spare 840wh battery in your back pack?
 
Thanks, yes feeling lucky. Mine came from SLC, says on the box.
Those mushy mavens needed a good shot to tighten them up, the feel is superb when set right.
My first go at Mavens. SRAM's bleed video does the piston massage at the end of the bleed process but I've seen others recommend doing it prior to changing fluid. Have a preference?
 
so the Range Extender is 699,- and doesn't even come with a cable (another 49,-). Also, there doesn't seem to be a Y-Splitter cable to charge the RE and the main battery at once. Revolutionarily refined!

Oh and the fancy carbon cranks are 160mm instead of 155
Well most people are not 5'2"- 157cm and don't require 155mm cranks1
 
Yes. Standard cable ports
Disconnect of Transmission Rear Derailleur from internal battery:
Does anyone know proper steps how to disconnect the battery connected rear derailleur/ where is it connected in the frame to internal Levo battery (... so one can install cable actuated R.D.)
 
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Anyone tried switching to the long chainstay setup and rasied the bb via the shock extension flip chip? What about 170mm fork? Seems like this would be the "enduro setup"
 
Oh and the fancy carbon cranks are 160mm instead of 155
Yeah it's a shame those who can afford S-Works can't afford a couple of cables and the cheapest version got fancy alloy 155mm.
Life sucks.
 
Anyone tried switching to the long chainstay setup and rasied the bb via the shock extension flip chip? What about 170mm fork? Seems like this would be the "enduro setup"
Did some tool based calculations and 170-180 fork with 155 cranks und neutral headset setting sounds legit to me (s4 similar to my 2020 slayer size large). Main concern remains BB height, other numbers are very similar in that setup
 
True Story, if you place it in Class 3 it reduces the power to 250w, says it right on screen. Honestly for all the haters that complained about this it is really only viable on flat smooth bike paths. If you want to fly on the trails then you would go into the settings and turn on shuttle and crank it to 100%. Basically Max power for the least input power.
yes you right i didnt look closely but whatever it feels strong. For example we got on a paved trail and I turned on the class 3 , switched bikes with my buddy on gen 3 who has to be 275lbs, and had a little race. he passed me no problem and was laughing like a little kid. I will try again to see if its harder on steep climbs but if thats 250w then thats all I/we need.
more info directly from specialized is needed on this.
 
yes you right i didnt look closely but whatever it feels strong. For example we got on a paved trail and I turned on the class 3 , switched bikes with my buddy on gen 3 who has to be 275lbs, and had a little race. he passed me no problem and was laughing like a little kid. I will try again to see if its harder on steep climbs but if thats 250w then thats all I/we need.
more info directly from specialized is needed on this.
Pretty sure the class 3 feature will shine on paved / flat trails and then lack on the climbs as it also cuts torque...
 
Anyone tried switching to the long chainstay setup and rasied the bb via the shock extension flip chip? What about 170mm fork? Seems like this would be the "enduro setup"
Immediately changed to the LONG setting to add stability... The bike can get routey in the short config at high speeds on chatter... but to each thier own
 
Anyone tried switching to the long chainstay setup and rasied the bb via the shock extension flip chip? What about 170mm fork? Seems like this would be the "enduro setup"
For basic trail riding I thought the bike felt great with the stock stettings and i would not want to increase the chainstay because that would make it harder to lift the front end and also lower the bb which i though cleared logs a little better than gen 3. The cornering felt great so I would not want to mess with head angle either.
My first go at Mavens. SRAM's bleed video does the piston massage at the end of the bleed process but I've seen others recommend doing it prior to changing fluid. Have a preference?
No need to touch the levers or remove the wheels or pads. Just inject all you can into the caliper and twist off with mild pressure. you must pressurize the system to get rid of the play. you can adjust the play by adjusting the pressure so if you made it too tight just open the port again and close with less pressure. The pistons will not move when you inject or move the lever when the caliper port is open so dont worry about that. . of course when you attach the syinge to the caliper and open 1/4 turn, pull back gently to remove any air bubbles before injecting. easy and takes only a few minutes. There is no video on this i figured out myself after being so frustrated with codes. when you try it you will be amazed and then you can tune up your buddies and they will be amazed.
 
Pretty sure the class 3 feature will shine on paved / flat trails and then lack on the climbs as it also cuts torque...
Just did some back to back testing on a steep dirt hill. there was no discernable difference between class 1 and 3 thank god and i had to work hard to get it over 25 mph on the flat grass. Same feel as a regular bike when you are up to speed. which is the goal right.? i dont like to feel the power take over and the delivery is smoother than before so its like the ad says, you only more. The bike does not have that much power so people should relax its a gentle assist not a huge surge of uncontrollable power even in turbo . the only difference is you don't get that annoying deceleration at 20. around 20 is the time i really want that little extra to go a couple mph faster and keep my speed on a rough DH using the same effort as regular bike. As it is now, i have to work harder on the ebike to go as fast in that situation and so that's the gamechanger for me because now it works like i always wished it did and the bike is not holding me back.
 
Most buyers won't get S-Works so looking forward to reviewies of the comp carbon and alloy since it's a pretty big difference in motor power and other components.
 
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Totally unbiased review!
 
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Season 1 Nbc GIF by The Good Place

Totally unbiased review!
Genuinely curious what your opinion of an unbiased review is. It's common for people (myself included at times) to perceive an opinion or review as unbiased if I agree with the opinion whereas when people have a different point of view, they project that that person is biased. Your image on your profile implies you may have your own bias.
 
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