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Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread
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We can tryDo I sense the first thread energy continuing on here
I think there was more excitement in what might be than what is ... But that's love sometimes
I think the Unno will be more exciting, though not everyone likes the Unno design language either ..
and still it will be around 23kg in s-works with pedals, doesn't sound like nimble, but if you get something like Regulator or Vala with 600 battery in the first place and do the same thing with lighter tires and forks then it would be noticeable difference compered to gen4 levo.
So there is really no point for this bike to be lighter, in the end it wont be able to compete with two bikes mentioned above and it would lost its advantages.
Agree, but that's exactly what's the problem with new bikes, first throw out not a small amount of dollar for a new entry model, then swap out two of the most expensive parts that combined most probably reach a third of the initial bike price, just to get the weight down.
IMO a good idea would be brands offering ebike models not just by part build spec but also by weight spec as this is obviously important to a lot of people.
I like to think I'm pretty sharp on feeling (obviously this is all in my head ) but these days I can't tell the difference with riding with or without my water bottle. (If you discount the desire ride past a bar part way through the ride).yep. that's meI can feel slight difference between 700Wh and 500 in my levo.
and 600Wh in G4 is shorter and the weight even lower - more noticable.
But then I'm old and ride like a turd.
Saying that .. the heavier the spring weight the better the inspiring weight should react ?
Maybe spesh made a juggernaut for that ?
Or when they move to an mgu, they can say its lighter.
The MBR article stated that Specialized had a sub 20kg build using the 600wh battery on display at one of the launch events.
The new Specialized Turbo Levo has a unique party trick that I love, but only the S-Works bike gives you full power, and that's not cool - MBR
Specialized’s Turbo Levo is so successful, so ubiquitous, and so dominant at the top of the e-bike hierarchy that launching a new version is a momentous event, with millions of dollars riding on how it’s received. And that’s in a normal market. But the gen 4 Turbo Levo is hatching into a world...
www.mbr.co.uk
not with 600wh, its with 280 extender only and even then I'm curious of tires choice
little comparison to regulator from pinkbike review
Desert_Turtle
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I’m kind of surprised by some of these comments. I don’t know what people expect. While this bike is more of an evolution than revolution, it is very different from all the other Levos. More so than any generation of Levo.
This new chassis is way better than the other 3 generations. Not only is it stiffer and stronger, it’s incredibly adjustable. Now you have the ability to adjust the head tube angle, BB height and stay length by 9mm. Out of the box the gen4 feels like a stumpy or gen2 SL, which is a good thing but if you want a more DH oriented bike you can make it substantially longer and slacker too. I think that a 29” rear wheel would fit with the bike in the longer setting. Who knows why that’s not an option. Those saying that the weight of the bike sits higher up in the chassis have obviously never removed a battery from a Gen3. The old battery is at least 30% longer and sat higher in the frame because of the size of the old motor. That’s probably why the new downtube and battery are so fat….that and the fact that the system is 48v.
What is game changing is the fact that the drive system is 48V. That in itself is probably the biggest change to the bike. The higher the voltage the more efficient electricity is. This new system is going to run cooler, be more efficient, and make gobs more torque. It’s better in every way except that the battery requires more cells….which is probably why the battery is so thick.
The one thing that kept people from buying a Levo in the past, the motors belt system, is gone and people are complaining about that too! I haven’t been able to hear the rattle yet that the new motor has. It very well may be there but it’s not like the clunking of the older ep8s or the less annoying sounds the older Bosch units made. I have a Gen4 SWorks and have ridden it.
I’m hearing a lot complaints about the price….its cheaper than the Gen3. The people complaining about the price will have to reconcile that somehow. You’re getting more and paying less.
On the flip side, if you have a nicer gen3 bike you could probably hold on to it a while longer. It’s still among the best bikes that you can get. The new one does do everything better but it’s likely not going to get you down the mountain much faster, if at all. So to be fair I’m returning to the statement that this new bike is more evolution than revolution.
This new chassis is way better than the other 3 generations. Not only is it stiffer and stronger, it’s incredibly adjustable. Now you have the ability to adjust the head tube angle, BB height and stay length by 9mm. Out of the box the gen4 feels like a stumpy or gen2 SL, which is a good thing but if you want a more DH oriented bike you can make it substantially longer and slacker too. I think that a 29” rear wheel would fit with the bike in the longer setting. Who knows why that’s not an option. Those saying that the weight of the bike sits higher up in the chassis have obviously never removed a battery from a Gen3. The old battery is at least 30% longer and sat higher in the frame because of the size of the old motor. That’s probably why the new downtube and battery are so fat….that and the fact that the system is 48v.
What is game changing is the fact that the drive system is 48V. That in itself is probably the biggest change to the bike. The higher the voltage the more efficient electricity is. This new system is going to run cooler, be more efficient, and make gobs more torque. It’s better in every way except that the battery requires more cells….which is probably why the battery is so thick.
The one thing that kept people from buying a Levo in the past, the motors belt system, is gone and people are complaining about that too! I haven’t been able to hear the rattle yet that the new motor has. It very well may be there but it’s not like the clunking of the older ep8s or the less annoying sounds the older Bosch units made. I have a Gen4 SWorks and have ridden it.
I’m hearing a lot complaints about the price….its cheaper than the Gen3. The people complaining about the price will have to reconcile that somehow. You’re getting more and paying less.
On the flip side, if you have a nicer gen3 bike you could probably hold on to it a while longer. It’s still among the best bikes that you can get. The new one does do everything better but it’s likely not going to get you down the mountain much faster, if at all. So to be fair I’m returning to the statement that this new bike is more evolution than revolution.
Question if you have the S works, what is the phenom pro saddle like? I’m tempted to buy one
This is really cool .... but somewhere along the line I'm missing the concept ..
Spend 15k .. buy a fox 36 to make my bike LESS capable .. stick on crappy tyres to make it less capable .. and only run it with a range extender ..
So I can spend crap loads of money to have a bike with less range than a gen1 s-works ???
OK, it's great to have flexibility and in the past we had less choice. But not you can buy a far better bike that's more capable stock for less money .. so WHY ? LOOK I SPENT SH!T LOADS AND HAD LESS ! WOW ! ITS SO COOL.
Purple parznip
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They really are missing a trick here,losing customers is not a good one ,like me,lots of people just do not like mullets.
yeah I agree, really can't see any reason for someone to make this bike lighter, previously I thought that it might be a good option to buy this bike with 600wh battery in stock but now as it grew on me I don't think that I would do that. Lightweight isn't the point of gen4 levo.
I mean, the Gen 3 had all those geo adjustments also. It's not new.
Desert_Turtle
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Dude, I’m not sure about the saddle names but I have quite a few bikes and they all have the 3d printed pro power with mirror “whatever” saddles and while they are outrageously expense, they are worth every penny. Those new saddles are so comfortable! I was really happy that the bike came with one. I’d recommend getting one but not the sworks version. The extra $200 isn’t worth the weight savings and the level of comfort is exactly the same.
Not at all. Now we have 12 levels of adjustment, on the Gen 3 only 6
Desert_Turtle
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I knew that someone would mention that! For some reason the Gen 3 only had hi/lo and steering angle cups. For whatever reason the Gen 3 didn’t have the flip chip in the shock. The Gen4 basically copied the new SLs layout.
Can we pretend were back in the rumours thread ???
Look ! a gen4 .. that's only been posted 27 times ...
Look ! a gen4 .. that's only been posted 27 times ...
Zimmerframe, see my idea.No...
I use to mount on the rear on Gen3 DHR2 29x2.3, with hi set.
On the manual they speak about 447 lenght, and i have something like 3 to 5 mm space.
Gen4, is 435 + 11 with hi set on horst pivot but -2 with long on shock extension, so we are nearly at 444.
Eventually it's +11 only if we out shock extension on Short, it's not so clear for me
Maybe a 29'' could fit for just 1 to 3 mm less
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Desert_Turtle
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If we’re not talking about the new Gen4 stuff, why is there a Gen4 thread? I mean, we go could go back to talking about the Vala and Amflow….or the new Rail! Now, the new Rail, there’s a bike that barely has anything new to offer! Let’s talk about that instead!
Geeking out on the names I believe the S-Works has Phenom pro with Mirror only released like two weeks ago and like you mentioned about £150 cheaper than the S works version.
Think I make a trip to the concept store I’m sure last time you could do a 30 days trial
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Desert_Turtle
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I like your line of thinking, I was thinking the same thing, but after seeing your math, 3mm is not enough clearance. Between the tire deforming under load and debris getting caught, that sounds way too tight.
Fair enough, I don't see a shock flip chip as that much of an addition.
I think I would also argue your point about the gen battery sitting higher. The gen 3 had an angled motor which allowed the battery to sit lower albeit it being physically longer in total length than the gen 4's. I would warrant the gen 3 probably has a lower overall COG but I have no data to back this.
Desert_Turtle
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That’s fair. I don’t have any data either but that’s what the Specialized rep told me. That makes me think about something. I’ve actually ridden with our local Specialized rep, he’s in incredible shape and is a ripper…..the local Trek rep doesn’t look like he’s been on a bike in a long time. Just an observation.
Likely all part of the deal/decision. "We will have more success in the market if we are not trying to in anyway compete with our customers." It will be interesting to see 'the company that shall not be named' and DJI handle this going forward as more mfg's use the DJI motor.
I believe it was in the Loam Wolf video that the Specialized rep mentions when 600w battery will be available. I can't recall for sure, but I think it was May. The point being, they can't offer an option today that isn't available for whatever reason. History of course leads us to believe that they will use battery size as a function of the level of bike spec and therefore to justify price.Yep, that would be a reasonable thing to do, but for sales probably not so much...who knows what they are thinking.
From my experience with an 811Wh pack with similar cells they use here, this is way more than enough for 95% of ride needs. I think most that will buy the bike will actually realize that as time passes.
Edit: Although if taking the higher power avaliable into consideration, that most will probably use, 840Wh might just be fine.
Joe Buckly, Levo Product Manager for Specialized talks about long travel, coil, etc. here. At the outset it seemed to me that advertising "ready for 170mm forks" etc. was odd if they didn't have something in mind for the back end.
His comments certainly invite more speculation (hype?).
In no way affiliated, simply just finished the video this a.m.
His comments certainly invite more speculation (hype?).
In no way affiliated, simply just finished the video this a.m.
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