Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread

[Zimmerframe]

Yes, when buying it would be nice to choose what you prefer, 600Wh or 840Wh..

We all love the idea of lighter, but for like a 4% weight saving for 40% (based on 840 would give you 40% more than 600) less range/altitude/Turbo nutter power....

How many people in the real world will actually go that way ?? Add in that the lower your standard bike spec, the less % weight saving on your Levo SUV (due to the bike being heavier to start with).

Even if you work out that you personally will probably never use more than 600, it's always nicer to have more if you do decide to do something different and when/if you come to sell the bike, people are more likely to buy the one with an 840wh than a 600wh on the second hand market.

OK, there could be exceptions, like someone who'd like two 600's and swaps out back at the car at snack time rather than the 840 and the range extender so they can still have a water bottle. (Almost looks like there could have been space for extra bottle bosses higher up so you could go super lard with 840, extender and a mini fidlock)

 

[Zimmerframe]

Maybe someone will make a mini SWAT water bag with a straw/drinking pipe which feeds out of the front ports ??

 

[Tim1023]

Maybe someone will make a mini SWAT water bag with a straw/drinking pipe which feeds out of the front ports ??

I'd buy it!

 

[Biano44]

Maybe someone will make a mini SWAT water bag with a straw/drinking pipe which feeds out of the front ports ??

I saw an optional wiring loom for a front light so wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone made a light mount for the steerer tube that mounted to the front ports.

 

[GDAS]

sorry if this has already been answered...... do we know when the aluminium-framed models will be available?

 

[Zimmerframe]

I saw an optional wiring loom for a front light so wouldn’t be at all surprised if someone made a light mount for the steerer tube that mounted to the front ports.

Yes, the Y piece is in the manual. But weirdly no optional mounts, guess they're working on standard bar mounts being used.

Interesting that due to space the install is different for S1 :

 

[Zimmerframe]

@Pyr0 Looks like there is space for cables :

 

[Zimmerframe]

Levo Gen4 Coil spring rates :

 

[MonsterMX]

We all love the idea of lighter, but for like a 4% weight saving for 40% (based on 840 would give you 40% more than 600) less range/altitude/Turbo nutter power....

How many people in the real world will actually go that way ?? Add in that the lower your standard bike spec, the less % weight saving on your Levo SUV (due to the bike being heavier to start with).

Even if you work out that you personally will probably never use more than 600, it's always nicer to have more if you do decide to do something different and when/if you come to sell the bike, people are more likely to buy the one with an 840wh than a 600wh on the second hand market.

OK, there could be exceptions, like someone who'd like two 600's and swaps out back at the car at snack time rather than the 840 and the range extender so they can still have a water bottle. (Almost looks like there could have been space for extra bottle bosses higher up so you could go super lard with 840, extender and a mini fidlock)

Yes you are right, as I said on previous page, happy its has 840Wh and not so much weight difference from my current build.

 

[emtbeast]

The Marketing is clever they dont let the SL market dye. You can turn it like you want, there is no way to convert it to a proper Sl. i just read the German Magazine E-Mountainbike review Gen4 Levo they say :

What baffles my mind(not just with this ebike) is why not just make an extender in a shape that fits into the downtube. No need for outside plugs, cables, lower center of gravity, clean look,...

 

[mrgreenbeef]

sorry if this has already been answered...... do we know when the aluminium-framed models will be available?

I did read earlier today that May 27th was announcement for Alloy models but have been unable to verify anywhere.

 

[emtbeast]

Yes, when buying it would be nice to choose what you prefer, 600Wh or 840Wh..

Yep, that would be a reasonable thing to do, but for sales probably not so much...who knows what they are thinking.

From my experience with an 811Wh pack with similar cells they use here, this is way more than enough for 95% of ride needs. I think most that will buy the bike will actually realize that as time passes.

Edit: Although if taking the higher power avaliable into consideration, that most will probably use, 840Wh might just be fine.

 

[Pyr0]

@Pyr0 Looks like there is space for cables :

View attachment 157991

Thanks @Zimmerframe
Still undecided. I might travel to Chester and visit the concept store at some point to see one for myself.

Frame option with the new fox36's, 10sp linkglide and some lewis brakes might be nice.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

We all love the idea of lighter, but for like a 4% weight saving for 40% (based on 840 would give you 40% more than 600) less range/altitude/Turbo nutter power....

How many people in the real world will actually go that way ?? Add in that the lower your standard bike spec, the less % weight saving on your Levo SUV (due to the bike being heavier to start with).

Even if you work out that you personally will probably never use more than 600, it's always nicer to have more if you do decide to do something different and when/if you come to sell the bike, people are more likely to buy the one with an 840wh than a 600wh on the second hand market.

OK, there could be exceptions, like someone who'd like two 600's and swaps out back at the car at snack time rather than the 840 and the range extender so they can still have a water bottle. (Almost looks like there could have been space for extra bottle bosses higher up so you could go super lard with 840, extender and a mini fidlock)

It's not Specialized but directly related , so on my Bosch bike I have the option to have the 800 and 600 wh. I'm really planning to get the 600wh for shorter trips which makes quite sense and 1 kg is quite noticeable even though the bikes are heavy.

Meanwhile saw this on Emtb-News forum and it's claimed at 26 kgs. Seems like a burly build but still.... :

 

[edgars48]

Im quite happy with my gen3 levo currently, will think in a couple of years what other options are available and if we get good deals on gen4.

 

[James_MTB]

Have you tried a AMflow? I have been riding Levos for 7 years 6 bikes and I would think about 14k miles across all the bikes. I was not up for an AMflow then friend said you have to have a go on one. So on a cold wet November day I borrowed a friends bike, I was instantly blown away not by the powe but by the handling also, it felt so light and agile instantly felt at one with the Bike. It really is that good…

Did you buy one?

 

[WatermanJim]

I feel like I haven't seen a real review until someone mentions the DJI in the review. As someone actually shopping for a bike, I think value for money is an important part of the discussion. How much spec do you get for your dollar between the various Levo levels? Is the Levo better/worse than an Amflow, and if better, is it enough to justify the price premium?

I'm sure I'd be happy with the Levo, but I'm not sure I'd be happy with the amount I paid.

US gen 4 Expert is $1500 less than gen 3 was 4 years ago so i think its hard to complain about pricing.
My only beef is the extra 3lbs. Sure the bigger battery and heavier tires but dang thats alot. still buying the bike. If i dont like the weight ill get the 600 battery and save 2lbs.

 

[emtbeast]

On all the videos I have seen, the product manager from Specialized has stated that the structural inegrity is better with a side hatch.
Stonger, to the point it can be ridden without a battery.

Looking carefully, you can see thicker carbon braces along the bottom and top side of the downtube opening, so this is most probably the reason, the frame being stiff enough, the bike looks fine from the drive side and overall, but honestly, can’t unsee the battery opening...it's a thorn...

 

[WatermanJim]

Yes, when buying it would be nice to choose what you prefer, 600Wh or 840Wh..

I think that will happen when the 600s are available.

 

[etoni]

Best Levo4 video

 

[HandsomeDanNZ]

Their write up is very good too.

Best Levo4 video

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

Thanks @Zimmerframe
Still undecided. I might travel to Chester and visit the concept store at some point to see one for myself.

Frame option with the new fox36's, 10sp linkglide and some lewis brakes might be nice.

Frame option might not come with cable routing for non wireless shifters...

 

[emtbeast]

Post #106 true the battery does sit higher when referenced to the motor but looking at the side mount profile and having the swat storage above it looks like the battery top overall sits about 3” lower than my 700w. Heavier and wider for sure.
My battery 700w /500w use the same casing extends up inside the downtube to almost the top where it connects to the top tube.

I did watch the loam wolf video and the spec. rep said that the boost battery has 14 cells so given that info I think they are using the latest Samsung or LG 21700 cells. If there using those for the boost their using them for the mains too.

Boost battery 280w 14s/1p 5.3ahr per cell.
Main battery 840w. 14s/3p 5.3ahr per cel 840w ÷ 52v = 16.15 ahr ÷ 3 = 5.3ahr rating

My 700w battery used 10s/4p = 40 cells
New 840w battery uses. 14s/3p = 42 cells

So by using the latest greatest cell availible you gain 140gr of weight which is about 5% battery weight and you gain 17% more wattage.

Pretty good trade off.

Oh and the rep did confirm that if your using the main battery and it goes dead the shifter would still have some juice left to allow shifting, didn’t say for how long though but that’s something.
Going to bed now.

See it's actually is a 52V/14S battery system that I predicted

 

[RichMorr]

It's not Specialized but directly related , so on my Bosch bike I have the option to have the 800 and 600 wh. I'm really planning to get the 600wh for shorter trips which makes quite sense and 1 kg is quite noticeable even though the bikes are heavy.

Meanwhile saw this on Emtb-News forum and it's claimed at 26 kgs. Seems like a burly build but still.... :

View attachment 157995

Not that m planning to get the G4 (but I really want to ) at least I know my vivid coil will fit

 

[WatermanJim]

Looking more into the extra weight issue vs gen 3, the difference in weight of the trail to gravity tires is 560g/1.2lbs and the bigger battery is about the same at 1.3lbs. So looks like gen 4 is about 230g/.5lb heavier comparitively- not too bad.

 

[DuncanDoughnuts]

Looking more into the extra weight issue vs gen 3, the difference in weight of the trail to gravity tires is 560g/1.2lbs and the bigger battery is about the same at 1.3lbs. So looks like gen 4 is about 230g/.5lb heavier comparitively- not too bad.

Put a new 36 on ... Maxxis DD on the back and Exo+ on the front ... 600 battery and I thin you have a nice nimble bike

 

[Trek-Rail-eBike]

The S-Works version is the same colour as my carbon Trek Rail 9.7 : a dark smoke red, which cost just £4.4k.

Good to know people will think I spent £12.5k for it

 

[emtbeast]

Maybe someone will make a mini SWAT water bag with a straw/drinking pipe which feeds out of the front ports ??

Do I sense the first thread energy continuing on here

 

[rzr]

We all love the idea of lighter, but for like a 4% weight saving for 40% (based on 840 would give you 40% more than 600) less range/altitude/Turbo nutter power....

How many people in the real world will actually go that way ?? Add in that the lower your standard bike spec, the less % weight saving on your Levo SUV (due to the bike being heavier to start with).

Even if you work out that you personally will probably never use more than 600, it's always nicer to have more if you do decide to do something different and when/if you come to sell the bike, people are more likely to buy the one with an 840wh than a 600wh on the second hand market.

OK, there could be exceptions, like someone who'd like two 600's and swaps out back at the car at snack time rather than the 840 and the range extender so they can still have a water bottle. (Almost looks like there could have been space for extra bottle bosses higher up so you could go super lard with 840, extender and a mini fidlock)

yep. that's me I can feel slight difference between 700Wh and 500 in my levo.
and 600Wh in G4 is shorter and the weight even lower - more noticable.

 

[Purple parznip]

We all love the idea of lighter, but for like a 4% weight saving for 40% (based on 840 would give you 40% more than 600) less range/altitude/Turbo nutter power....

How many people in the real world will actually go that way ?? Add in that the lower your standard bike spec, the less % weight saving on your Levo SUV (due to the bike being heavier to start with).

Even if you work out that you personally will probably never use more than 600, it's always nicer to have more if you do decide to do something different and when/if you come to sell the bike, people are more likely to buy the one with an 840wh than a 600wh on the second hand market.

OK, there could be exceptions, like someone who'd like two 600's and swaps out back at the car at snack time rather than the 840 and the range extender so they can still have a water bottle. (Almost looks like there could have been space for extra bottle bosses higher up so you could go super lard with 840, extender and a mini fidlock)

All i want to know is……..can you fit a 29er on the rear with a decent amount of space left.