Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread

Zimmerframe said:
I think some early reports put the Drive 3 at 3.4kg, so they've done some work getting the weight down.

Early release numbers had the motor at 2.9 - which was either a lie or a mistake carried over from the Mag S. Everything after said 3.18kg.

It's heavy, BUT imagine if it's bullet proof ! 10 years on, you, or whomever you've passed Levobese onto, are still riding the same motor and it works faultlessly ! We'd probably forgive the extra weight for an easy and simple life !
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I was always against reducing mass on motors, the xtra mass helps with thermal stability.

First lab tests show excellent thermal stability, the real life tests by the community will confirm or won't that as those conditions are completely different to lab conditions.
 
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Zimmerframe said:
As for the battery .... and EVOLUTION ...

Well, Levobese doesn't look so good ..

If we go back in time to 2017 ... there was the Bulls E-Stream Evo.

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647.5wh battery, which weighed 3.18kg's (co-incidentally the same as Levobese's motor) and less than the weight of the new 600wh battery for Levobese.

Not really a leap forwards in 8 years.
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back to the future 2025, ep 4 ? Release in all good theaters at summer ? :ROFLMAO:
 
DJ57UMP said:
Has there been any talk of derestricting the Gen4 or is it too soon?
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I know on gen 3 there is a rear wheel circumference setting on the software at the shop. You can set it to basically a 26" size and it gives you a couple more mph before cutout. They actually used to let you adjust this on the first app in gen 1.
Someone should plug in a gen 4 at a shop and see if the setting is still there. Definitely makes a big difference and doesn't void warranty.
 
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Fuck me! They need to change the name from Levo to Lardo!
 
I agree ^
I think I'm out. I can't get past the downtube and I don't really need an enduro bike.
While i would have loved to stick with Specialized as I've enjoyed my 2020 expert as my first ebike, the new release has put me off and making me lean towards other brands.
 
The Levo feels like it’s already a year out of date, I don’t understand what the differentiator is. In the first 3 generations Levo won because of the ‘bike’ feel compared to contemporary Bosch and generally superior packaging/integration. Now Bosch has caught up, amflow beats it on power/weight ratio…what’s the usp for Specilized?

At each price point there seems like a better option. Got 8k to spend? Buy a Vala, elyte or Regulator. Got 12.5k to spend? Buy a Pivot.
 
Did the last 2 generations receive such a mixed feedback initially? I wonder how the sales is going to be.
 
Dax said:
The Levo feels like it’s already a year out of date, I don’t understand what the differentiator is. In the first 3 generations Levo won because of the ‘bike’ feel compared to contemporary Bosch and generally superior packaging/integration. Now Bosch has caught up, amflow beats it on power/weight ratio…what’s the usp for Specilized?

At each price point there seems like a better option. Got 8k to spend? Buy a Vala, elyte or Regulator. Got 12.5k to spend? Buy a Pivot.
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I was thinking about this very thing yesterday………. And then it dawned on me.
They have designed a bike better than Gen 1, Gen 2 or Gen 3…….just.
Because they are designing a bike to appeal to the same customer, the person that is moving from a normal MTB to an E-MTB.

If you had a friend who wanted to buy their first E-MTB, you would recommend a Levo Gen 4 without hesitation; great ride, great looks, massive power, biggest battery choice and best dealer network should something go wrong.
It’s a no brainer.
But……
Most of us here already have an E-MTB, possibly not our first and with that experience and knowledge of other bikes, we may form a slightly different opinion.
 
TorAtle said:
Did the last 2 generations receive such a mixed feedback initially? I wonder how the sales is going to be.
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no, even all three last generations were industry leading edge, so expectations were high for gen4. In the end it's a great bike but nothing really special about it nowdays
 
Biano44 said:
I was thinking about this very thing yesterday………. And then it dawned on me.
They have designed a bike better than Gen 1, Gen 2 or Gen 3…….just.
Because they are designing a bike to appeal to the same customer, the person that is moving from a normal MTB to an E-MTB.

If you had a friend who wanted to buy their first E-MTB, you would recommend a Levo Gen 4 without hesitation; great ride, great looks, massive power, biggest battery choice and best dealer network should something go wrong.
It’s a no brainer.
But……
Most of us here already have an E-MTB, possibly not our first and with that experience and knowledge of other bikes, we may form a slightly different opinion.
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Don't think anyone buying their first emtb would pay that kind of money for their first bike but second most likely if they get hooked
 
Citylad77 said:
How good did this look back in 19
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yeah, right? Levo was always thinner and more agile brother of Kenevo, I wonder why Spesh went from that?
I think with such big battery and downtube Kenevo would look so much better, and they could slim Levo down with 600 battery so everyone could be happy.
 
Dax said:
The Levo feels like it’s already a year out of date, I don’t understand what the differentiator is. In the first 3 generations Levo won because of the ‘bike’ feel compared to contemporary Bosch and generally superior packaging/integration. Now Bosch has caught up, amflow beats it on power/weight ratio…what’s the usp for Specilized?

At each price point there seems like a better option. Got 8k to spend? Buy a Vala, elyte or Regulator. Got 12.5k to spend? Buy a Pivot.
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Or buy early and get a early bird price -15/20% discount
 
Dax said:
The Levo feels like it’s already a year out of date, I don’t understand what the differentiator is. In the first 3 generations Levo won because of the ‘bike’ feel compared to contemporary Bosch and generally superior packaging/integration. Now Bosch has caught up, amflow beats it on power/weight ratio…what’s the usp for Specilized?

At each price point there seems like a better option. Got 8k to spend? Buy a Vala, elyte or Regulator. Got 12.5k to spend? Buy a Pivot.
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Guess we need to wait till long term reviews without pink glasses are coming. Even interviews with Specialized developers staff are crazy: " now you can go over Alps day long and speed charge your levo in between" Are they crazy? With this "real estate" fast charger you may fight against Grizzlies in Whistler, but not bikepack day long.
 

From this review:

''In the middle headset setting, low bottom bracket position and long chainstay, I measured my S3 bike's geometry as follows:

  • Head angle: 63.7-degrees
  • Rear centre: 445mm
  • Bottom bracket height: 333mm
The latter is interesting because it is significantly lower than that quoted by Specialized.''

It looks like sweet spot for higher BB with long chainstay will be 170mm fork or even 170mm fork and flip chip in high position.
 
Hey guys could someone owning the new Levo post a picture of the 840Wh battery specs written on the battery itself. Thanks.
I'm interested in the cell brand and capacity if it is written on there. I'm suspecting on the LG M58T 5,5Ah.

A bit of battery deep dive...

Looking at the screenshot from mbr's video:
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We can clearly see that the cells are stacked horizontally across(width of the downtube) and shifted vertically to save space, that it's a 14S3P(42 cells)configuration(clearly seen 42 points of contacts, in the upper corner of the battery-blacked out part, is the BMS hardware.
This type of battery building has the advantage of the pack being shorter(weight more central), but a disadvantage of the downtube being wider(noticeable right). I think this was the main reason they went with the thick downtube, they sacrificed looks/weight for rideability/range.

The thickness at Specialized being about the same as the other way of battery build used by Giant and Bosch, only DJI going further stacking the cells in 2 rows of 3 columns and so getting a longer but thinner pack but with a higher center of gravity.

Giant Example:
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In the mbr video there was also talk about new fire retardant material between cells, don't know if this are some new regulations or why is Spech implementing this now, because Giant has been doing that from a least 2020 with their packs, not sure about what Bosch does with it.

With the possibility of 12A quick charging I think this is a pretty important thing to implement as there is always a possibility of a runaway cell.

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Doomanic said:
Who's discounting a new release?
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I read earlier in this or another G4 thread a person got 15% on S-Works but I don't know if other shops do the same.

I have searched but can't find it now so either I search wrong or the post is deleted but I'm sure I read correctly.
 
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Before the gen4 launch, my question was, how levo gen4 will respond to amflow. Now, what do you think, its gen4 well ahead, even or dji is still the top.
 
Zimmerframe said:
It's heavy, BUT imagine if it's bullet proof ! 10 years on, you, or whomever you've passed Levobese onto, are still riding the same motor and it works faultlessly ! We'd probably forgive the extra weight for an easy and simple life !
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Bingo!

And lifetime bearing replacement sealed the deal for me.
 
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i guess the fat downtube is result of quick battery exchange feature and modular design fo the battery. Also, ability to run full power ebike and still have extender. That will be nice feature for people who do emtb racing where there is a requirement to have spare battery. But also, for me personally, I never swap battery, but option to have extender, just in case, is nice for long epic days.
 
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