Reign E+ 2022

[Dale_Calgary]

I hope Rob goes through suggested sag settings in the review. Giant is very lacking in documentation. With my Ibis I got a super sweet hardcover book that went over everything, Giant on the other hand has pdf's that give general info that covers all the bikes combined.

 

[Implor]

I hope Rob goes through suggested sag settings in the review. Giant is very lacking in documentation. With my Ibis I got a super sweet hardcover book that went over everything, Giant on the other hand has pdf's that give general info that covers all the bikes combined.

Just look at RS or fox webpage? Both has setup guides. What frame it's on doesn't matter.

 

[Dale_Calgary]

Just look at RS or fox webpage? Both has setup guides. What frame it's on doesn't matter.

My experience with Fox settings are that they tell you to put 20% too much air up front and 20% too little air in the shock on official documentation.

 

[Implor]

My experience with Fox settings are that they tell you to put 20% too much air up front and 20% too little air in the shock on official documentation.

Here you go!

https://www.ridefox.com/dl/bike/my21/605-00-217_RevA-38-Tuning-Guide.pdf

 

[Donamici]

So finally got to demo a pals E+0 for brief bit this morning. New to ebikes so nothing to compare it to. First impressions it climbs great, pointed it up something very steep and it monstered up like it was nothing. The pedal/motor flutter is still there when the bike is stationary if you put any pressure on the pedals. So I guess you just learn not to do that. Motor is nice and quiet, no rattling.

Maybe expected more from the Fox suspension but 38 felt pretty harsh to me, but then the owner might just have had set up differently.

Being new to e-bikes the transition when the motor switches off felt a bit weird, like a mini parachute is being deployed. Wouldn't describe it as a drag, but you can feel it.

Size L was perfect for me at 5 11.

Got back on my Strive and was right on his tail on a local Enduro stage, I was hoping he would be appreciably quicker than me, bit no!

I'll be doing another, longer demo next weekend, see how he feels on technical stuff. Then if good will order an E+2.

 

[Dale_Calgary]

Here you go!

https://www.ridefox.com/dl/bike/my21/605-00-217_RevA-38-Tuning-Guide.pdf

thanks for finding that but I have those already but as I mentioned I find those generic numbers are not accurate as the bikes geometry can change things.

If anyone here wants to throw out what they have found works well (25-30% for example) up front and rear that would be appreciated. I think the 38 has 3 tokens in it?? Has anyone gone down to 2 and seen how that feels? I told them to put the second spacer in the X2 because I know I'm going to want it a little more progressive.

 

[Implor]

thanks for finding that but I have those already but as I mentioned I find those generic numbers are not accurate as the bikes geometry can change things.

If anyone here wants to throw out what they have found works well (25-30% for example) up front and rear that would be appreciated. I think the 38 has 3 tokens in it?? Has anyone gone down to 2 and seen how that feels? I told them to put the second spacer in the X2 because I know I'm going to want it a little more progressive.

You should always start at 0 token. If you get a lot of bottom outs you add 1 and test again. I have 0 tokens in my RS Lyrik as a example (standard is 1) @ 80kg w gear.

 

[Donamici]

Same spot different weather. Today it's 5°C and FULL ON mud in Munich. Shorty + High Roller combo works great. They both loose traction art the same moment so the bike is predictable. I didn't have an issue with climbing the most horrible stuff even though it was the stock High Roller (MaxxTerra).

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What mud guards are you running? Is clearance ok on the rear?

 

[zorro77]

Here is mine. High pos, 100% stock. Medium frame. 327mm

333mm my Medium Frame E+0 Low position I'll try High position

 

[Dale_Calgary]

You should always start at 0 token. If you get a lot of bottom outs you add 1 and test again. I have 0 tokens in my RS Lyrik as a example (standard is 1) @ 80kg w gear.

I can agree with that. Its winter here and the trail systems ask that you have 2.8's or bigger to ride so I'm stuck with paved trails around town for now.

 

[Sherman]

We are all measuring the same bikes, same geometry (I’m assuming we are all measuring the 2022 Reign with Fox fork / shock?!

I measured my E+2 (RS Zeb and Fox DPX2), size XL. BB height in high position is 335mm.

Regarding the handlebar height, I have 25mm of spacers under the stem (stock config). Looking at geo charts, Reign has 18mm higher stack than my S5 Kenevo. I figured out handlebar height should be pretty much the same (40mm riser bar on Kenevo), but the handlebar seems to be a bit higher on the Reign. I need to measure this too.

 

[Implor]

I can agree with that. Its winter here and the trail systems ask that you have 2.8's or bigger to ride so I'm stuck with paved trails around town for now.

Hard to do proper setup until spring. If it's decent just leave it and do it when spring arrive. On the other hand you can remove all tokens already so it's done when the snow melts. Not like you going to bottom out on flat roads .

 

[DaveMatthews]

Maybe something for @Rob Rides EMTB to investigate.

have you updated your bike @jaylkay ?

I’m pretty’s sure the issue is on the bike and not on our bike computers. I don’t know what ant+ transmission rate is but it’s not usable as it is now. Do you have lag on data update? Or is it fast?

I run a Garmin 530 on my 2021 Stance E. The ANT+ connects extremely quickly and never drops.

 

[Implor]

I run a Garmin 530 on my 2021 Stance E. The ANT+ connects extremely quickly and never drops.

Might be a reign issue. One 830 and one Bolt not working correctly.

 

[goroncy]

What mud guards are you running? Is clearance ok on the rear?

Mudhugger FRX rear, mudhugger Evo front. I made the sides of FRX shorter (one hole instead of 2) because they were unnecessarily long.

 

[Implor]

Mudhugger FRX rear, mudhugger Evo front. I made the sides of FRX shorter (one hole instead of 2) because they were unnecessarily long.

I got the fox 38 fender with my bike. Pain to install so I will get something else.

 

[Nobrks]

Reign e+0 L. 74kg 173cm
Lets add some to recent subjects

I run rear shock with lower sag than recomended, and LSC 2clicks from fully closed, else it absorbs all rider imput.
Front fork works great 95psi and settings from Fox manual.

I got printed manual with my bike, but most of info was outdated (older model).

Garmin edge 830 connect with out problem, mainly focusing on battery% from Ant+.

I noticted freq pedal strickes in low setting, now in high, and have bought end covers on cranks and use composite pedals to spare the Carbon cranks (plastic absorbs shock forces mutch better than metal).

Dropper old Fox factory 150mm, fully inserted in downtube, fits me perferct. It came with Giant 150mm (Germany).

I have done several software updates without issues.

Love the motor, when riding up 6m concrete stairs, I can feel that it is more powerful than the PW-X1. It is more natural power but really surpises you with a punch, when you really need the power; on steep hills.

I have also switched to short stem, having motocross background, I think it is just wrong to have the handlebar so mutch offset from turning point. Long stems are last century buisness

 

[Implor]

Reign e+0 L. 74kg 173cm
Lets add some to recent subjects

I run rear shock with lower sag than recomended, and LSC 2clicks from fully closed, else it absorbs all rider imput.
Front fork works great 95psi and settings from Fox manual.

I got printed manual with my bike, but most of info was outdated (older model).

Garmin edge 830 connect with out problem, mainly focusing on battery% from Ant+.

I noticted freq pedal strickes in low setting, now in high, and have bought end covers on cranks and use composite pedals to spare the Carbon cranks (plastic absorbs shock forces mutch better than metal).

Dropper old Fox factory 150mm, fully inserted in downtube, fits me perferct. It came with Giant 150mm (Germany).

I have done several software updates without issues.

Love the motor, when riding up 6m concrete stairs, I can feel that it is more powerful than the PW-X1. It is more natural power but really surpises you with a punch, when you really need the power; on steep hills.

I have also switched to short stem, having motocross background, I think it is just wrong to have the handlebar so mutch offset from turning point. Long stems are last century buisness

Interesting you picked the large. Do you like long bike?

I’m also 174 and took a Medium (same reach as my Tyee that’s also a medium).

 

[Macone]

Right now unless we get some experiences from people in New Zealand etc we are all riding them in the cold which will reduce the battery performance.

Bloody warm here lately and I can say that I'm getting better range out of my 625wh battery on my Reign E+2 than I get out of my 750wh (2 x 375wh) on my 2018 Shimano Focus Jam2. Same bloke on the same trails. Reign is a far superior bike.

 

[Nobrks]

Interesting you picked the large. Do you like long bike?

I’m also 174 and took a Medium (same reach as my Tyee that’s also a medium).

The actual reach differance between medium and large is only 15mm, when you account for the different stem lengths.
I feel that I am able to thransfer the weight more actively on Large, and more confident on jumps.
I had Trance e+1 medium, also with short stem, 29er fork and seat set far back, it was too tight cokpit, way to sensitive to body position, after having two big nosedives last season, I was not in doubt when looking at the Geo

From the Trance to Reign, higher stack, shorter chainstay and longer reach, lower seatpost. Does not feel long, but feels correct to me with Center of gravity closer to the rear.

 

[Gary]

A longer bike will give more confidence on faster jumps as it will be less twitchy.
But a longer less twitchy bike also has less maneuverability on steeper, tighter jumps.
Big unplanned nosedives happen because of rider error not bike length.

Expert jumpers generally ride shorter bikes as it gives them more control.

 

[Endorium]

Anyone put a coil shock on the rear?

 

[Implor]

The actual reach differance between medium and large is only 15mm, when you account for the different stem lengths.
I feel that I am able to thransfer the weight more actively on Large, and more confident on jumps.
I had Trance e+1 medium, also with short stem, 29er fork and seat set far back, it was too tight cokpit, way to sensitive to body position, after having two big nosedives last season, I was not in doubt when looking at the Geo

From the Trance to Reign, higher stack, shorter chainstay and longer reach, lower seatpost. Does not feel long, but feels correct to me with Center of gravity closer to the rear.

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I’m doing it the other way . Adding a 50mm stem and pushing the sadel way back.

Edit: TBH if I had the option to test different sizes I might have taken a large also. Medium felt small to start with even if it’s almost identical to my propain tyee. Changing so I have identical setups on both will most likely fix that.

 

[jaylkay]

Maybe something for @Rob Rides EMTB to investigate.

have you updated your bike @jaylkay ?

I’m pretty’s sure the issue is on the bike and not on our bike computers. I don’t know what ant+ transmission rate is but it’s not usable as it is now. Do you have lag on data update? Or is it fast?

Yes @Implor , both Garmin and E+1 are up to date, it does show power but it doesn't correlate to the motor or even my input. Shame about this, it's a mega bike all things considered.

 

[jaylkay]

My experience with Fox settings are that they tell you to put 20% too much air up front and 20% too little air in the shock on official documentation.

Another great option if available is a Shokwiz, best money I've spent and really helps get the front and back set up. It also measures sag perfectly and minimises errors in set up. I've used it heaps and never really had a bad result TBH, worth hiring at least given both front & rear have full adjustability (at least on E+1 and above).

 

[>moto<]

thanks for finding that but I have those already but as I mentioned I find those generic numbers are not accurate as the bikes geometry can change things.

If anyone here wants to throw out what they have found works well (25-30% for example) up front and rear that would be appreciated. I think the 38 has 3 tokens in it?? Has anyone gone down to 2 and seen how that feels? I told them to put the second spacer in the X2 because I know I'm going to want it a little more progressive.

Interesting that you know how many tokens you need in your fork/shock yet you haven't sorted the day properly yet because you are asking for others opinions. You also stated that in your experience Fox are 20% out with their recommended settings, if that's the case, use your experience and adjust the values by 20% lol.

 

[Implor]

Another great option if available is a Shokwiz, best money I've spent and really helps get the front and back set up. It also measures sag perfectly and minimises errors in set up. I've used it heaps and never really had a bad result TBH, worth hiring at least given both front & rear have full adjustability (at least on E+1 and above).

@Dale_Calgary some shops have Shokwiz you can rent for a few days or a week. Check it out!

 

[zorro77]

@Dale_Calgary some shops have Shokwiz you can rent for a few days or a week. Check it out!

I would like to try the Shockwiz but I have a doubt, if I use it on the fork but I have the rear shock set incorrectly, will the advice of the Shockwiz be wrong? Ok then I can also use it for the rear shock absorber, but then do I have to adjust the fork again?

 

[Implor]

I would like to try the Shockwiz but I have a doubt, if I use it on the fork but I have the rear shock set incorrectly, will the advice of the Shockwiz be wrong? Ok then I can also use it for the rear shock absorber, but then do I have to adjust the fork again?

Shockwiz monitor how the shock behaves and not how the bike feels. I would just set recommended values on both shock/fork and start with it as baseline. I would bet shockwiz will give you a better technical setup then you would by feel. If you like it or not is something else. Some ppl like it super plush other a bit harder so a lot it personal preference in the end.

I did see some very good biker (one youtube maybe?) that tested shockwiz and it turned out his set up was already perfect. "well spent money" he joked . Best is just to rent it or buy it with a few friends and share. It will be used once and left for years most likely.

 

[emtbeast]

I’m doing it the other way . Adding a 50mm stem and pushing the sadel way back.

Edit: TBH if I had the option to test different sizes I might have taken a large also. Medium felt small to start with even if it’s almost identical to my propain tyee. Changing so I have identical setups on both will most likely fix that.

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Hey I am 178cm so just on the edge of M/L with an 83cm Inseam...It's terrible I don't know how manufacturers haven't figured it out yet that there should be an M/L size option with MTBs...some have...

My trail bike is the 2018 YT Jeffsy size L 445 reach but way slacker seat tube 74.5 vs the Reign 77.5.

I had the chance to try both the L E+2 and M E+1 and had a really hard time to decide...Only could do the testing on a parking lot...so could not get a clear picture on how the bike feels in the trail.

The first feel siting on the bike the M size felt more comfy and the L felt more sporty...

I took the M and did the same as you pushed the saddle backwards as it goes and probably will add a longer stem it it doesn't make the bike to lazy...

The one reason I didn't go with the L was because off the combo of: reeeally steep seat tube angle + a forward pushed saddle to accommodate for reach would probably get my knees over the pedals and as I love to pedal a lot it could result in pain and injuries. The other reason was as It's my first ebike, and as much as I read, generally the recommendation is smaller due to the weight of the machine.

If I would be more a pilot then a traveler on my bike then I would probably go for the L size as it felt better in a standing position.

Haven't ridden it yet as the temps here are below zero most of the time...

So much for my contribution ✌