Radon pulling out of UK market?

[Jackware]

Sticking to bikes if the (UK) pessimists are worried about supply chains the answer is buy British......with no import tariffs. Already one of the best emtbs on the market are Whyte Bikes, or Orange if you are a bike breaker, one of the best for clothing is Endura, some of the best engineered components are from Hope and Burgtec.
( speaking as a Whyte e 180 RS owner and user of a range of Endura clothing I am obviously way ahead of the game)

Are they planning to design and produce their own drivetrains including the motor and batteries and suspension systems as well?

 

[Gary]

Buying British is laudable

Aye, for fruit, veg and meat mibbie

 

[Gary]

Frames made in the UK from imported raw materials,

you forgot to add - Engineered by Sweedish office furniture designers

 

[#lazy]

If we all close are eye , tap are Five tens together and say “There’s no place like June 2016” , we might get out of this nightmare ! If not , chins up

 

[Mikerb]

Are they planning to design and produce their own drivetrains including the motor and batteries and suspension systems as well?

Shimano originates in Japan...UK has a free trade deal with Japan.
SRAM originates in the US.........UK working on a trade deal with the US.....no US trade deal between the EU and US
Panasonic...Lion batteries.....Japan.
Yamaha..Japan

 

[Jackware]

Shimano originates in Japan...UK has a free trade deal with Japan.
SRAM originates in the US.........UK working on a trade deal with the US.....no US trade deal between the EU and US
Panasonic...Lion batteries.....Japan.
Yamaha..Japan

I thought you wanted to buy British?

 

[Mikerb]

No thanks.

Ok if you want to be parochial Gary

Shand Cycles
Endura

Both based in bonny Scotland!!

 

[Mikerb]

I thought you wanted to buy British?

I can...Whyte bikes...and they will buy the best quality components at the best price to build their bikes....normal practise.

 

[#lazy]

The trouble for me is , it was sold as “we would have the same deal or better than what we already have “. Now all the good things promised have all evaporated apart from fish , which who really gives a toss about . Fishermen could always learn a different trade !
Ps Never liked orange bikes

 

[Doomanic]

Endura is based in Scotland but all their gear is made in China.

Whyte are based in the UK but all their gear is made in the Far East.

SRAM are US but all their gear is made in...

...wait for it...

...yep, the Far East

 

[Doomanic]

it was sold as “we would have the same deal or better than what we already have “.

"Easiest trade deal in history"

The only people who are getting the Brexit they wanted are the money men like Aaron Banks and Rees Mogg. Unless you are a Hedge Fund Manager or disaster capitalist you aren't going to get the Brexit you wanted. Or thought you wanted. But hey, you can always blame those nasty Europeans. After all, who in their right mind would have expected them to put their 27 nations before us? I mean, don't they know who we are???

 

[#lazy]

And if say Italy wanted to leave not us , we wouldn’t let them have there tiramisu and eat it ?

 

[R120]

I think something worth pointing out is that many brands do not buy components direct off Shimano, Sram, Fox etc etc.

A little know fact outside of the industry is that Canyon are one of if not the biggest OEM supplier of components in Europe - whilst most of us will know them as a bike company, in fact one of if not their biggest revenue stream is as a reseller of components to other brands and stores.

Canyon has the buying power to secure huge amounts of stock, and fulfilling production number for the big component companies. Smaller brands do not have the buying power or resources to buy large quantities direct from the manufacturers, hence where the likes of canyon come in as the middle man.

In fact for many companies its cheaper to buy off Canyon than direct from the manufacturer, because Canyon buy them for less than the usual trade price due to the bulk off their orders, and even after applying their overhead to a sale it will often be cheaper buying from them, than placing a relatively small order with the manufacturer.

So the long and short of it is that many brands actually get their components off resellers such as canyon, not direct from the manafacturer.

For example you know those CRC crazy deals you see where you can pick up a set of Fox Factories for example at half the RRP, or a full groups for peanuts, but they turn up in a plain box? One guess where they come from.

 

[Mikerb]

Endura is based in Scotland but all their gear is made in China.

Whyte are based in the UK but all their gear is made in the Far East.

SRAM are US but all their gear is made in...

...wait for it...

...yep, the Far East

yes...mostly in Taiwan. But as I said before China has no trade deal with the EU and blocks Taiwan which it considers one of its territories, from making separate trade agreements. So whether goods from China or Taiwan are imported to the EU or to the UK post Brexit makes no difference. WTO trade terms apply except........ where the EU charges a "dumping" tariff surcharge which it does in some cases up to 45%. Aluminium extrusions from China are about to be subject to that tariff surcharge which begs the question of its impact on bike frames...at least ally bike frames.
Given the current state of relations between China and the rest of the world and its position as the major low cost manufacture facility for thousands of Western companies, fundamental changes in world markets are more likely than any impact Brexit may have.

 

[Gary]

Ok if you want to be parochial Gary

Shand Cycles
Endura

Both based in bonny Scotland!!

Zero interest in being paiochral

and even less interest in wearing poorly cut clothing or ridoing a steel bicycle frame

 

[#lazy]

paiochral meaning ?

 

[Zimmerframe]

paiochral meaning ?

I believe it's the accepted post brexit spelling of "parochial" to give it a more asian, rather than european feel. It's hoped that by changing the spelling of words to be more internationally tasteful, the UK will have more success in new business negotiations.

#Get Spelling DONE !

 

[Doomanic]

M&S are selling Brexy Bonus’s...

 

[Gary]

#Get Spelling DONE !

I thought my attempt wasn't too bad for 14 cans in

 

[Jackware]

I thought my attempt wasn't too bad for 14 cans in

Are you claiming to be Banksy?

 

[jaap]

Interesting discussion. I am living in the Netherlands and beside e-mtb's my hobby is working with wood (www.woodworking.nl). For the last months is became more difficult to order things like tools from the UK and some don't send it to us anymore.
We, my friends, neighbours, family, really regret that the UK is leaving the EU. Off course working and living together is sometimes a struggle, but a 25 mile bike ride in the mud and bad weather is also a struggle. But we do it and feel good after a warm shower and cleaning the bike.

cheers,

jaap

 

[Bontee]

They're talking about WTO rules, Steve - I'm just passing the message on..!



Regardless of the 2-way nature of WTO tariffs, it doesn't help us - our bikes, ebikes and bits will cost more, post no-deal Brexit.

And that's not figuring the additional demand-driven costs caused by the colossal customs bottleneck feck-ups that will happen at the borders - not only do the necessary systems and infrastructure needed to facilitate slick imports/exports not exist, but a lot of companies that do this stuff (on both sides of the channel) have made it completely clear that they're out.

So there will be far less logistical capacity just to move the stuff around, too.

That depends on whether the countries involved impose tariffs.If the UK do not impose tariffs on imports the price will not change.If We (UK)impose tariffs then the price will rise by whatever % we impose.

 

[smtkelly]

Now caynon have paused shipping, I dont blame them better to loose a few sales than have bikes stuck in limbo.




PC parts have gone insane this year with popular releases and demand far outstripped supply (globally). An industry insider was talking about whats going on. Their customers are going nuts because they've spent large sums up front, and been waiting for months with no eta's, the retailers are in the dark and wholesale prices have crept up (due to global shipping problems, UK ports, large companies block booking freight, exchange rates) to were they (according this this guy) making a losses on some pre-orders. No ones happy, this guy said he'll hold back stock till they have built up enough in hand to meet expected demand and know what it cost.

 

[MadsB]

What aspect of trade could the UK not make work? The UK economy is the second largest in Europe after Germany. and the 6th largest globally. In terms of the world economy the EU represents c 15% by GPD and is by no means the biggest single market with both the USA and China being bigger. Just as important there is zero growth in most of Europe coupled with large % of unemployment, whereas markets in SE Asia and India etc have double digit growth....where would you aim if you were exporting??

That’s what I meant, the U.K. was making it work, but this argument that the EU was hampering trade was always nonsense in my opinion. But what’s done is done.

 

[Konanige]

For my two peneth F!@k'em if they don't want my money I'll give it to someone else. Hopefully they'll stop selling overpriced vans and Mcars with no indicators to us as well.??

 

[Mikerb]

That’s what I meant, the U.K. was making it work, but this argument that the EU was hampering trade was always nonsense in my opinion. But what’s done is done.

All the noise about trade is simply because that is what the media is currently reporting. It was never a key element of most peoples vote to leave.

 

[#lazy]

All the noise about trade is simply because that is what the media is currently reporting. It was never a key element of most peoples vote to leave.

That because we were told we would stay in the single market , FACT !

 

[Mikerb]

That because we were told we would stay in the single market , FACT !

Slightly wrong.........the aim was to negotiate a free trade deal. No one could state in advance that would be successful whilst at the same time securing complete Sovereign independence which for those of us that voted to leave was the primary objective.
But all of this is water under the bridge, we leave with or without a deal in 11 days.
The question here was about what we can expect in the future regarding bike sales.

I read an interesting article detailing the complete mess the entire supply chain for bike manufacture is in due to the perfect storm of massively reduced production capacity and massive additional demand........both caused by the worldwide pandemic and subsequent lockdowns. It was suggesting we are unlikely to see improvement in bike availability anytime soon with stock at an all time low and extensive pre orders already with lead times of several months. That combined with punitive measures against Chinese imports by the EU and others is likely to have the greatest impact on the bike market in the foreseeable future.

 

[Bontee]

That’s what I meant, the U.K. was making it work, but this argument that the EU was hampering trade was always nonsense in my opinion. But what’s done is done.

The EU is basically a protectionist market ,why people think it is so difficult to trade outside the EU is a mystery to me.
200 countries on the planet
27 in the Eu,with only 3 paymasters and the rest net recipients.
The maths is not hard to work out

 

[Gary]

because we were told we would stay in the single market , FACT !

Hmmm...
I wonder who'd have been naive enough to have actually BELIEVED what they were told?