Orbea x Avinox Rumours

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I'm actually interested to know if Avinox M2S can be configured to feel like HPR60. I have briefly tested the M2S but did not have any time to modify the different assist modes. And I really like the TQ motor but it would also be nice to have more power for some rides.

But can Avinox be tuned to have similar natural feeling assist as TQ?
 
Suns_PSD said:
There is no other motor made that provides the natural feel and sound of the TQ motors. This is mentioned over and over again in e-bike reviews.

I don't need to ride an Avinox when dozens of testers have already stated the obvious.
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I can gurantee no reviewer has tried to dial one all the way down to make it feel similar 😂
 
It actually occurred to me that the Maxon might be the best motor system for a new Rise, with an obvious distinction between the Avinox Wild and the updated Rise.

The Rise with a dedicated 550wh (about) and the Wild with the upcoming dedicated 930 wh battery. Only issue is that if you have rowdy terrain but not great elevation (like me) you'd be stuck on a 54# bike on the Wild, no matter what.
 
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TorAtle said:
Just dial it way, way down? In my experience, the combination of a high multiplier and low rider input is when a motor struggles the most being "natural".
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No, I tested both motors and the TQ60 feels way more natural (to me better). I went for the Amflow anyway because the bikes are not far off in terms of weight and to me more power was more important than natural feel.
 
Can anyone confirm that the new Wild will indeed have the 930wh battery? I've been on the fence between that and the Dreadnaught E. The bigger battery would certainly sway my decision.
 
Stealth Rider said:
Can anyone confirm that the new Wild will indeed have the 930wh battery? I've been on the fence between that and the Dreadnaught E. The bigger battery would certainly sway my decision.
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Apparently, it's getting the current 800wh battery at this time.
 
drive2race4fun said:
No, I tested both motors and the TQ60 feels way more natural (to me better). I went for the Amflow anyway because the bikes are not far off in terms of weight and to me more power was more important than natural feel.
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I am interested in the TQ70 (or whatever they're working on) because of form factor, weight, sound etc but you are right about the Avinox. If Orbea can gain access to the 700wh battery like Amflow/Crestline/Atherton, they could have an M2s bike for nearly the same weight as the TQ and you gain the full boogey option of speed laps.
 
terro said:
I'm actually interested to know if Avinox M2S can be configured to feel like HPR60. I have briefly tested the M2S but did not have any time to modify the different assist modes. And I really like the TQ motor but it would also be nice to have more power for some rides.

But can Avinox be tuned to have similar natural feeling assist as TQ?
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I own a Fuel EXe with TQ HPR50, a Slash+ with HPR60, and now a Crestline with Avinox M2S.

I rode the M2S in Eco for an 11 mile ride with 1600ft of techy climbs. M2S Eco is 50Nm, 300W peak power, about 100% assist (Assist level 3), and no overrun. This tune is very similar to what I mostly ride my TQ bikes at, and IMO the Avinox is smoother and more natural feeling.

The TQ bikes feel exceptionally natural when tuned down to around 50-60% assist, but I like a little more assist so I usually run 100% or 120% and you start to feel a little more lurchiness at that point. At the max 200% assist the TQ motors lose their natural smooth feeling completely on initial pedal stroke. I’m still a big fan of TQ and plan to keep my EXe indefinitely.
 
sanosan34 said:
I rode the M2S in Eco for an 11 mile ride with 1600ft of techy climbs. M2S Eco is 50Nm, 300W peak power, about 100% assist (Assist level 3), and no overrun. This tune is very similar to what I mostly ride my TQ bikes at, and IMO the Avinox is smoother and more natural feeling.
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Thanks for this. I'm on a ep801 Rise carbon. Because I need XL frames I don't get to try that many other peoples bikes properly but my take on this is 'natural feeling' is a factor of
- needing a highish cadence to deliver more power (which requires you to work the gears a bit)
- not huge torque or assist multiple
- a reasonably gentle initial assist.
- very little over-run

Those feel like the difference between "a bike that's assisting you and adding to your input "and "a motorised bike that your'e controlling by pedalling"
I really disliked Bosch when I tried it - you could start in completely the wrong gear, with very low cadence and it would delivery loads of power. You see people on them destroying their drivetrains by putting turbo power through small cassette cogs. For me the Rise feels very natural in Orbeas stock RS and RS+ settings except in Boost when it's too eager to take off as soon as you press the pedals. The drawback is sometimes you can't get it moving enough to change gear and increase your cadence to deliver power (that's when the Bosch just didn't care). I'm intrigued as to whether an unrestricted Shimano feels the same.

Given the wide range of customisation options on the Avinox and all the sensor inputs it has it shouldn't be hard to get it to feel 'natural'. The rumours that Orbea is going to ship it with an RS tune mode suggests they've been working on that.
 
Are we sure the new super enduro from Orbea will have an Avinox motor and not the Mahle?
Has anyone seen a spec sheet of the upcoming Orbea?
 
Flo7 said:
It will come with Avinox!
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You are correct. Have knowledge from a reliable source and it will have new Avinox M2S motor, stock 180/170mm travel with options for 170/170mm. Geometry aligned with Rallon, more suited for dh/park trails. Verdict is still out on battery size. They want to release before summer and no firm indication the soon to come Avinox 900+wh battery will be released by then.

On a personal level, I am waiting another month or so before pulling the trigger on my next bike until we see when Orbea releases new Wild or Avinox releases increased battery size.
 
b33k34 said:
my take on this is 'natural feeling' is a factor of
- needing a highish cadence to deliver more power (which requires you to work the gears a bit)
- not huge torque or assist multiple
- a reasonably gentle initial assist.
- very little over-run
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I agree with you on all your points! There is one more I’d add, and that is the power ramp up while you are torquing hard on the pedals. Some motors feel linear and others feel progressive/exponential in ramp up. I’d compare it to a naturally aspirated motor in a car vs a turbocharged motor.

Unfortunately I don’t think this ramp up is usually a customizable setting in motors.
 
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Powered for the Wild… Orbea Wild?
Is it just a wish from Mahle? :unsure::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
oettam20 said:
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Powered for the Wild… Orbea Wild?
Is it just a wish from Mahle? :unsure::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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Why not? It's a good motor, made in Germany. I am not excited about Chinese products, especially to register it bevor you can use the bike. I rather try to stay with European produced goods.
We have some pretty dam good technology in Europe without questioning.
 
roccobarocco said:
Why not? It's a good motor, made in Germany. I am not excited about Chinese products, especially to register it bevor you can use the bike. I rather try to stay with European produced goods.
We have some pretty dam good technology in Europe without questioning.
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For me too, I wasn't laughing at the engine but at the pun with the word "Wild".
For me, it would be even more interesting with the Mahle than the Avinox.
 
Mahle is Not producing in China, there you go:
Mahle e-bike motors are primarily a European product, split between two main locations for development and manufacturing:
## Production and Development Sites
* **Manufacturing: Šempeter pri Gorici, Slovenia**
The actual production of the drive units (such as the popular **X20** and **X35** hub motors) takes place at Mahle's plant in Slovenia. This facility serves as a major hub for the company's electric drive systems, benefiting from long-standing expertise in high-volume motor production.
* **Engineering & Design: Palencia, Spain**
The "brains" of the operation are located in Spain. This is the headquarters of **MAHLE Smartbike Systems** (formerly the startup *ebikemotion*). This site handles the R&D, system integration, and software development.
### Key Takeaways
While Mahle is a German corporation headquartered in **Stuttgart**, they have strategically positioned their e-bike division to combine Spanish innovation in "smart" cycling with Slovenian industrial manufacturing power.
Most of these systems are designed as "hidden" drives, often found in lightweight electric road bikes and gravel bikes from brands like Specialized, Orbea, and Can
nondale.
 
When the motor was originally destined for the gen4 levo, the motor was being supplied by Mahle China.

Presumably,as that didn't work out and production will be considerably smaller, it will only be produced in Europe. .
 
DylanJM said:
Who updated the thread title to include Mahle? Mod? Might be a hint...
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Yes, we updated.

Correcting DJI to Avinox and added Mahle, but only because the conversation was heading that way.

No hidden hints or clues this time ..
 
I'd really like to see an up to date motor comparison, that only tests motors to 750w, that includes the Maxon & the Mahle.
 
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