New Bosch Decoy incoming?

[Ndanger]

Leave out the Fanboysm for DJI and prove some facts :

Bosch is reliable
Bosch is easy to repair in case that it eventually fail

I personality don't need to race up the hill so any bike thay had 100Nm is moreee than enough for anyone.

Bike geometry is much more important than some silly turbo. Factss

Yes I agree that Bosch is a "reliable" using the term loosely after seeing many folks let down by their warranty department.

Yes the Bosch can be repaired which is important and Yes it will fail eventually unfortunately

Yes, I understand that "You" do not need more power. I would hesitate to speak for "anyone"

Yes I understand that lumping both (bike geo) and (silly turbo) as an equation in which you seem to believe that it is not possible to have both, dismissing power advantages as silly.

A few points I would like to present: The amount of power is as important as the way power is delivered, I think you will discover that the Dji is very will integrated with power delivery.

In addition to power, Size / Weight / performance are kind of a big deal. When I see a Dji powered bike, I have to do a double take to visually confirm that it is an eBike. The small packaging obtained with the new power plant along with slim - High energy density batteries eliminate the bulky frames and downtubes.

I would buy the Dji powered bike as soon as I can find one available that will sell me a second battery so I can travel with the bike. For now I will get buy with the Gen 5 Bosch and make the switch early next year with more choices for Dji powered bikes are available. That being said Bosch is my second choice and seems as if it is a decade older in tech than the Dji

 

[electricbogaloo]

Yes I agree that Bosch is a "reliable" using the term loosely after seeing many folks let down by their warranty department.

Yes the Bosch can be repaired which is important and Yes it will fail eventually unfortunately

Yes, I understand that "You" do not need more power. I would hesitate to speak for "anyone"

Yes I understand that lumping both (bike geo) and (silly turbo) as an equation in which you seem to believe that it is not possible to have both, dismissing power advantages as silly.

A few points I would like to present: The amount of power is as important as the way power is delivered, I think you will discover that the Dji is very will integrated with power delivery.

In addition to power, Size / Weight / performance are kind of a big deal. When I see a Dji powered bike, I have to do a double take to visually confirm that it is an eBike. The small packaging obtained with the new power plant along with slim - High energy density batteries eliminate the bulky frames and downtubes.

I would buy the Dji powered bike as soon as I can find one available that will sell me a second battery so I can travel with the bike. For now I will get buy with the Gen 5 Bosch and make the switch early next year with more choices for Dji powered bikes are available. That being said Bosch is my second choice and seems as if it is a decade older in tech than the Dji

It's funny how the fanboy/petrolhead minded people switched from Bosch to Dji as their new company to worship and are now shitting on Bosch because less watts/nm after having shat on shimano/brose for year for being not as powerful/reliable as Bosch.

 

[Astro66]

No bikes currently sell like hotcakes.

Oh the LOLs ........ DJI Crestline ........... 100 bikes. Sold out in a day.

My local Bike Shop. Only sells high end EMTBs. (Like Santa Cruz, Scott and Pivot) Shop full of Amflows, with 5 more still in boxes, to be built. All sold. Cannot keep up with demand. DJI is selling like hotcakes. There is an EMBN video with two bike store owners in England stating the same thing.

I love my Shimano EP801 powered Merida. But my DJI powered Amflow PL Cabon Pro is in another league. It's got nothing to do with Fanboi. I'm Australian. The bike is Chinese. The bike and motor just makes you a better rider. Everyone I ride with is astounded how much my riding has improved on the DJI Amflow. The motor response to pedal input is second to none.

 

[Ou812]

Problem with the DJI bikes is you can’t get one unless you want the Amflow, I personally didn’t really get along with that bike. The “good” DJI bikes are pretty much unattainable at this point, who wants to wait 10-12 months for a new bike?!

 

[Astro66]

I personally didn’t really get along with that bike.

Different riding styles are going to prefer different kinematics of different bikes. The Amflow will definitely not be for everyone. But getting back to the thread topic. The YT with an Amflow would be very appealing.

Problem with the DJI bikes is you can’t get one unless you want the Amflow,

I am considering the DJI Crestline in the next release. Transplant the parts from my Merida. Build a harder hitting EMTB, that should still climb well. But unless it has the playfulness and lightness of the Amflow PL carbon Pro. It will be relegated to when I am riding shuttle orientated Downhill Bike Parks, that allow self shuttling on an EMTB. And that is a minority for me.

 

[gbcoke]

They are in the

That's a good thing, so that reliability will be tested in the following months.
If they prove equally reliable with bosch, then i guess bosch will release something similar.
Enjoy your bikes guys! The customer eventually is the winner when many choices are provided.

The Avinox motor and system have been out for almost a year now without any major issues .
Don't see any reason to doubt their reliability.

 

[gbcoke]

 

[DylanJM]

That's a pretty bike.

Fixed battery?

On second thoughts looks like motor might be tilted enough for a slide out battery.

 

[Lightme]

The webpage with that photo no longer exists, nor is it in waybackmachine.

 

[gbcoke]

Do you actually think it's pretty ? Very large top and down tube ...
Sure it will ride will, but i dont think it's pretty.
Not sure about the battery.

When you look at a bike like the Megamo that have the same battery capacity and power levels ,the Bosch bikes looks very out dated.

 

[DylanJM]

The webpage with that photo no longer exists, nor is it in waybackmachine.

The launch is happening in just over 2 hours. That website likely messed up the timing or the article and they pulled it.

 

[DylanJM]

Do you actually think it's pretty ? Very large top and down tube ...
Sure it will ride will, but i dont think it's pretty.
Not sure about the battery.

I mean it's no worse than any other Bosch bike. I think they have done a decent job and the chamfering on the down tube does a decent job of softening the thiccness a little.

 

[Highland Wheels]

Problem with the DJI bikes is you can’t get one unless you want the Amflow, I personally didn’t really get along with that bike. The “good” DJI bikes are pretty much unattainable at this point, who wants to wait 10-12 months for a new bike?!

Even the 5/6 months I'm waiting for the Forbidden has been awful, so much so I almost sacked it off and bought a Bullit instead

 

[Astro66]

That downtube ...... ??? That bottom bracket bulk. Compare it to the Megamo. That is why the boutique manufactures are using DJI. I'm a YT fan. But that is not headed in a progressive direction.

 

[DylanJM]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-yt-decoy-core-4-2025--different-motor-same-dna.html

170/180 travel and fixed 800wh battery.

 

[Zimmerframe]

Rob's Video :


Really like that charge port !

 

[mooby77]

The design starts from the battery -> bosch 800wh, so you'll have a priori a fat down tube. I prefer the remaining frame to also be fat proportionally, than having a chicken leg bike with a beer belly. To each their own though.

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I really like the bike, i would of preferred 180mm rear travel though. Also the colors are not exactly my style. The pricing is great, the vfm here is top notch.



This guy here knowing every little detail of the bike and us speculating for weeks like little bitches

well drop some dough on it when it is finally released and if you are in Europe or UK , pay by credit card and then you can live-uncaged , if it ever turns up , for me this brand is now a red flag , shame as some of their bikes and designs offer good value , but value is only good if it ever arrives

 

[gbcoke]

The design starts from the battery -> bosch 800wh, so you'll have a priori a fat down tube. I prefer the remaining frame to also be fat proportionally, than having a chicken leg bike with a beer belly. To each their own though.

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I really like the bike, i would of preferred 180mm rear travel though. Also the colors are not exactly my style. The pricing is great, the vfm here is top notch.



This guy here knowing every little detail of the bike and us speculating for weeks like little bitches

Norco managed to have a nice "slim" dt with the 800w Bosch battery.

But while you can get used to looks,Im a bit concered with Pinkbike's review.
Sounds like the frame and suspension are a bit too stiff...

 

[DylanJM]

The pricing is great, the vfm here is top notch.

I don't know, I think they could have been priced better for a brand who's whole schtick is vfm. Definitely not as well priced as times gone by. Although I guess being YT there will be sales knocking 10-20% off soon enough.

I think they should have priced them closer to the Cube Stereo One77's. I think they would be better off targeting that price point, with the Core 1 & 2 at least.

 

[gbcoke]

Which bike do you mean? Upload a photo.


As i don't put money on the untested reliability of the dji, the same applies here. Let's hope they will get back on track.

Which one looks best and which one rides best? Ahhh, questions, questions!

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Norco Sight cx ,look it up.

For trusting DJI, I'm also not sure on this but it's been out for almost a year now with many units on trail. No horror stories (=levo gen3 brose,) yet...

 

[CarolinaCrawler]

I think the bike looks good! It looks like a scaled up version of the Decoy SN.

I also believe that everyone will get with the bikes they’ve ordered or a refund. I believe the emails people received were a blanket email that was for legal purposes while they are going through bankruptcy. I don’t believe they nefariously engaged in a 50% sale to get peoples money without giving them bikes.

 

[mooby77]

Whats that belief based on , people who have purchased bikes including a close friend of mine , but still not received it , few excuses , the that email and it became quite clear , and will probably not receive it , did not pay by credit card but by debit card are at the end of the queue , as they are classed as unsecured creditors , as it is German Law ─ I assume it is covered under their StaRUG legal framework, so not sure how this will eventually pan out.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

..... I don’t believe they nefariously engaged in a 50% sale to get peoples money without giving them bikes.

But that's what exactly what they did.

I'm a YT customer since 2016 and I'm watching they products launches and sales for years.

They never ever had a huge 50% sale across the whole portfolio like that so for anyone following was at the same time strange as a too good offer to be true and for some a good offer to expand their portfolio or get new owners in.

It's more than obvious what their target was with this scheme.

To me it's shocking that none of the media outlets mentioned about this just some plain rephrasing that YT is under restructure...

Thank God I've got another bike and skipped their sale as I was tempted

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

But that's what exactly what they did.

I'm a YT customer since 2016 and I'm watching they products launches and sales for years.

They never ever had a huge 50% sale across the whole portfolio like that so for anyone following was at the same time strange as a too good offer to be true and for some a good offer to expand their portfolio or get new owners in.

It's more than obvious what their target was with this scheme.

To me it's shocking that none of the media outlets mentioned about this just some plain rephrasing that YT is under restructure...

Thank God I've got another bike and skipped their sale as I was tempted

Under German insolvency law, if a company continues taking payments when it’s already insolvent and knows it can’t fulfil those orders, that could be considered fraudulent. Directors have a legal duty to file for insolvency as soon as they know the company is over-indebted or unable to pay its bills. If they delay that or keep trading without a plan to recover, they could be held personally liable or even face criminal charges.

Specific law: Section 263 StGB: Fraud

• Knowingly accepting payments from customers without intent or ability to deliver the promised goods or services may constitute fraud (“Betrug”).
• Punishable by fines or imprisonment up to 5 years (or up to 10 years in severe cases).

In plain terms: If a person intentionally misleads someone to take their money or property, knowing they won’t deliver, and the other party suffers financial harm that’s fraud under German law.

Customers who paid for bikes and never received them are now considered unsecured creditors. That basically means they’re at the back of the queue for any potential refunds, and in some cases, they’re unlikely to see that money again, unless refunded via chargeback via CC company

So was the sale legal? That depends on what YT’s leadership knew at the time. If they genuinely believed they could trade through it or were close to securing new investment, it might be legally defensible. But if they knew they couldn’t deliver and took the money anyway, that’s a different story.

Either way, it’s not a good look, and I really feel for anyone left out of pocket.

 

[Bogdan_CH]

Under German insolvency law, if a company continues taking payments when it’s already insolvent and knows it can’t fulfil those orders, that could be considered fraudulent. Directors have a legal duty to file for insolvency as soon as they know the company is over-indebted or unable to pay its bills. If they delay that or keep trading without a plan to recover, they could be held personally liable or even face criminal charges.

Specific law: Section 263 StGB: Fraud

• Knowingly accepting payments from customers without intent or ability to deliver the promised goods or services may constitute fraud (“Betrug”).
• Punishable by fines or imprisonment up to 5 years (or up to 10 years in severe cases).

In plain terms: If a person intentionally misleads someone to take their money or property, knowing they won’t deliver, and the other party suffers financial harm that’s fraud under German law.

Customers who paid for bikes and never received them are now considered unsecured creditors. That basically means they’re at the back of the queue for any potential refunds, and in some cases, they’re unlikely to see that money again, unless refunded via chargeback via CC company

So was the sale legal? That depends on what YT’s leadership knew at the time. If they genuinely believed they could trade through it or were close to securing new investment, it might be legally defensible. But if they knew they couldn’t deliver and took the money anyway, that’s a different story.

Either way, it’s not a good look, and I really feel for anyone left out of pocket.

The first part of you message is undeniably true as post the announcement nobody would play with fire. I'm mentioning this strictly to those ( and while it would be difficult to disclose) which were not few purchased bikes on the sale. Just as a side note this was across the board, not only e bikes.

I for example don't use CC when buying bikes as I take a bit of analysis before the purchase so I was close dropping the money on a Decoy SN. For sure I'll use on in the future but honestly never though YT management would pull of only a cash grab ( which they haven't disclosed what happens with it) only leave it fly in the hands of remaining creditors.

I'm just pointing out the fact they were completely unethical to their customers as YT is a brand that was build solely on them, being a more enthusiast brand opposed to a clasic brick and mortar.

If they knew ( and sure they knew it from long time) that things turned sour, why not just declare the insolvency like other brands, Revel, Nukeproof, BMC/SCOR and many more : restructure and go from a new start, customer base was there as it's one the few brands, that people follow.

But going out like this in a malicious manner I honestly think it's a nail in the coffin as the brand trust is completely gone ( all the articles today were bombed by people condemning their scheme) and as you mentioned, people that haven't used a CC have almost zero chances to get something back.

 

[TonTonUB]

They could have fit avinox and battery inside the decoy SN ... Would have sell like hotcakes.