Maxon Air S 90Nm 620 W, 600/400. + 250Wh extender

kaylee.s said:
I'm super intrigued by this motor system. Can't wait to see what else is coming out!
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TCFlowClyde said:
Yeah, there's proof of concept. We'll know performance characteristics and durability short term by Fall. But also, they need that 600 Wh battery option for bigger travel Enduro rigs. That's still in development as Kaylee discovered last week.👊

Hopefully by next summer we'll see the whole picture. I believe Steve Jones of EMBN seems most interested in a ride review... I hope? Afterall, it's only 90Nm😁...plenty for me! But overshadowed by DJI of course!
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Super cool. Well, that is serious and awesome. Guess, Maxon just wiped out the "lower Power, lighter weight" argument. Why not have more power, with less weight? Why would anyone buy one of those other lower power systems now, I wonder?

So cool, how ebikes are getting more powerful, and most importantly lighter weight...

Looks sweet, definitely Nice Job Maxon.
 
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Bikedriver19 said:
Super cool. Well, that is serious and awesome. Guess, Maxon just wiped out the "lower Power, lighter weight" argument. Why not have more power, with less weight? Why would anyone buy one of those other lower power systems now, I wonder?

So cool, how ebikes are getting more powerful, and most importantly lighter weight...

Looks sweet, definitely Nice Job Maxon.
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Yeah, I think now peeps are cautious of a newer motor player wanting to know how a compact drive unit can withstand heat dissipation and overall reliability, which only time will tell.

I think the same is true for the tiny ZF Centrix DU now upgraded to 750 W and 105Nm. However, the very scant reviews are positive for power, smoothness, and quietness in high power modes.

Unfortunately, unlike DJI coming out under $6k USD for full entry point spec bikes like AmFlow and now Teewing, everything else is starting $8.5K or higher. Way outta my price range. 😥💸
 
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d3ftone said:
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Leo's video is really interesting.

@Suns_PSD might be a good option for you ??!? and @Plummet one day in the future.

Motor is about 1kg lighter than a Bosch.

When being analytical about his results (the test bike kept pedal striking, so ignoring those bits) he found the maxon climbed faster than the bosch because with the reduced overall weight etc he found it easier to pedal over the limit. He also found it descended faster in the areas he would pedal. It's really quiet too and as he says, the form factor makes it really small even compared to the Avinox which is ultimately larger.

It's obviously more in the 90nm 600 and a bit watts compared to the Avinox and Mahle M40 - but as we read continually, not everyone wants more than 90/600 - it's kept us smiling for long enough.

Main issues were with general motor power setting configurations and overrun settings/configurations - though obviously it was a first test and with more to come.

Think he did about 600m climbing with 30km on the 400w battery, but in fairness the trail conditions were hard and would suck the life out of your battery ! He also had it in full power mode for the test.
 
Zimmerframe said:
Leo's video is really interesting.

@Suns_PSD might be a good option for you ??!? and @Plummet one day in the future.

Motor is about 1kg lighter than a Bosch.

When being analytical about his results (the test bike kept pedal striking, so ignoring those bits) he found the maxon climbed faster than the bosch because with the reduced overall weight etc he found it easier to pedal over the limit. He also found it descended faster in the areas he would pedal. It's really quiet too and as he says, the form factor makes it really small even compared to the Avinox which is ultimately larger.

It's obviously more in the 90nm 600 and a bit watts compared to the Avinox and Mahle M40 - but as we read continually, not everyone wants more than 90/600 - it's kept us smiling for long enough.

Main issues were with general motor power setting configurations and overrun settings/configurations - though obviously it was a first test and with more to come.

Think he did about 600m climbing with 30km on the 400w battery, but in fairness the trail conditions were hard and would suck the life out of your battery ! He also had it in full power mode for the test.
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It's one I'd consider interesting and worth buying but lots of things to line up including: in the right frame, 600w battery, proven reliability, bash guard compatibility, etc., and that'll take 1-2 more years to settle out.

No, I intend to buy the Spectre frameset or the CX-R Regulator this Fall. One can only wait so long.

That said, on my trails and with my legs, I don't really need a full power so this sort of in-between makes good sense. But, I'm tired of running my Fazua 60 in the full power mode 100% of the time.
 
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d3ftone said:
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Decent first review. Definitely looks to compete! Look forward to more! Again, 90Nm with 600Wh plus extender works me! Now can I afford a Maxon bike...would like to see more 170+ offerings...maybe USA makers like Intense or Canfield?

Also, Leo thanks for the shakedown ride and scoop on the Maxon.👊
 
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Very appealing. 90/600 is my sweet spot.

I find ride quality tanks when you go from a 45lb’ish SL ebike to 50+.

120NM/ 1000wh is diminishing returns for me, even though my ride group is all running 100nm+ bikes.
 
Zimmerframe said:
Leo's video is really interesting.

@Suns_PSD might be a good option for you ??!? and @Plummet one day in the future.

Motor is about 1kg lighter than a Bosch.

When being analytical about his results (the test bike kept pedal striking, so ignoring those bits) he found the maxon climbed faster than the bosch because with the reduced overall weight etc he found it easier to pedal over the limit. He also found it descended faster in the areas he would pedal. It's really quiet too and as he says, the form factor makes it really small even compared to the Avinox which is ultimately larger.

It's obviously more in the 90nm 600 and a bit watts compared to the Avinox and Mahle M40 - but as we read continually, not everyone wants more than 90/600 - it's kept us smiling for long enough.

Main issues were with general motor power setting configurations and overrun settings/configurations - though obviously it was a first test and with more to come.

Think he did about 600m climbing with 30km on the 400w battery, but in fairness the trail conditions were hard and would suck the life out of your battery ! He also had it in full power mode for the test.
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I wont rule it our for sure. But i need back up service locally before i jump ship from a supported brand. Thus my current reluctance with DJI. In about 12 months time it will be supported enough locally for me to consider them.

This motor looks interesting for sure.

600mtr vert/30km is worthy. Hehehe... that terrain though is easy AF compared to my silly arse adventures. Hell, he could ride up all of it..... By comparison I did 950mtr vert last night over 14.5km. I'm doing 100mtr vert in 1.5km. He's doing 100mtr vert in 5km.
 
the Maxon system looks ultra promising. But a 7-800Wh battery would be better, imho. I hate range extender, since it modifies bike balance / behaviour. But who knows .. If the bike is fantastic, and the RE implementation genius, why not ?
 
TonTonUB said:
the Maxon system looks ultra promising. But a 7-800Wh battery would be better, imho. I hate range extender, since it modifies bike balance / behaviour. But who knows .. If the bike is fantastic, and the RE implementation genius, why not ?
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Just thinking out loud here.

Would be nice, especially for me as a heavier guy...the 800 Wh for most riding, plus the extender for epic singletrack adventures. I suppose their argument is the battery and motor is so efficient that the 800Wh is unnecessary, yet they offer the big extender. I think that it's easier for them to market the 600 Wh for lighter weight, and appears to be their advertising priority..."lightest, most powerful, smoothest".

Rotwild made their own third party battery for their new DJI R-EX. It looked very innovative as a push button, side access, quick exit set-up in order to make it swappable/easily removable. Also, it's slightly bigger at 840Wh.

Maybe, some new maker adopting the Maxon 90 could really prioritize a 800 and 600 Wh configuration as a nice option? Also. DJI has done a good job on selling a *heavier" vs "lighter" option that seems acceptable to most consumers, so again they have a future model of advertising success?

If they make a trailside removable battery, they just add the weight back in the frame. I guess then the weight becomes an issue for their competitive advertising...always tradeoffs.
 
irie said:
A logical answer to these battery questions is to be able to have 2 x 500 Wh batteries such that you can have either one or both installed inside the downtube at the same time.
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May i add that 2 X 400 Wh battery in the same tube (or only one), could even be better ? (considering the length of the dji 800 wh) ?
In terms if 'slimness' of the downtube, ofc !
 
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450 + 250 is the magical combo for a very efficient light bike, but either way, that's a brilliant idea actually. But probably more effective to just sell a 450 & a 700.
 
Suns_PSD said:
450 + 250 is the magical combo for a very efficient light bike, but either way, that's a brilliant idea actually. But probably more effective to just sell a 450 & a 700.
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When solid state batteries which are expected to have over 4 times the energy density of current Lithium-ion batteries finally appear* then the lightweight smaller battery bike vs full power heavier bike paradigm will basically disappear.

* as said before, hopefully before fusion energy becomes commonplace.
 
Suns_PSD said:
But probably more effective to just sell a 450 & a 700.
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Yeah, that i know from direct DIY build experience, with 3rd party batteries. It's harder to have 4 anchoring points for 2 separate batteries in a fixed, stable position. This is especially true in a slimmer bottomtube to less easily get that first battery up there in proper mounting position for the anchoring bolts...then add a little more weight and wiring to synch them properly. It can happen, but definitely more complex.😕
 
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Zimmerframe said:
Leo's video is really interesting.

@Suns_PSD might be a good option for you ??!? and @Plummet one day in the future.

Motor is about 1kg lighter than a Bosch.

When being analytical about his results (the test bike kept pedal striking, so ignoring those bits) he found the maxon climbed faster than the bosch because with the reduced overall weight etc he found it easier to pedal over the limit. He also found it descended faster in the areas he would pedal. It's really quiet too and as he says, the form factor makes it really small even compared to the Avinox which is ultimately larger.

It's obviously more in the 90nm 600 and a bit watts compared to the Avinox and Mahle M40 - but as we read continually, not everyone wants more than 90/600 - it's kept us smiling for long enough.

Main issues were with general motor power setting configurations and overrun settings/configurations - though obviously it was a first test and with more to come.

Think he did about 600m climbing with 30km on the 400w battery, but in fairness the trail conditions were hard and would suck the life out of your battery ! He also had it in full power mode for the test.
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Seems perfect for a gravel bike, or similar. Will be interesting to see where this goes and on which bikes.

And then, Maxon could go higher power on future models too.

For the weight, this thing seems impressive.

Love seeing weight go down and power, go UP! ITs about time :)
 
The deal is it needs to be super efficient because really most of the weight of the e-bike system comes from the size of the battery. So having a small motor and a big battery really doesn't make much sense because it doesn't really save much weight and you lose the ability to have high power when you need it.
 
Suns_PSD said:
The deal is it needs to be super efficient because really most of the weight of the e-bike system comes from the size of the battery. So having a small motor and a big battery really doesn't make much sense because it doesn't really save much weight and you lose the ability to have high power when you need it.
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Interesting the New Trek Fuel + has the upgraded TQ60 with a 580Wh option? Jus' sayn...that's a pretty efficient system too. Yet, it's only 60Nm. So, a 90Nm Maxon with 600Wh should service many, as would likely a 800 Wh for those looking to push longer range rides without carrying the extender.
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About the only high-pivot offering at the moment, if you can even call it offering - the buy button doesn't work at this moment. Looks like a prototype/mule, with an exposed motor, and due to the Fazua-like transverse configuration of the motor, we won't be seeing any drop-out swappable battery bikes any time soon. A bike from Leo would be far more interesting.
 
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slickrock said:
About the only high-pivot offering at the moment, if you can even call it offering - the buy button doesn't work at this moment. Looks like a prototype/mule, with an exposed motor, and due the Fazua-like transverse configuration of the motor, we won't be seeing any drop-out swappable battery bikes any time soon. A bike from Leo would be far more interesting.
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We do not know which motor will Leo choose. Also, I would think 10 times before getting another Pole bike having seen how and why they went down.
 
Bogdan_CH said:
A 400wh battery for this motor is a joke. Well, party laps for an hour but then?
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Agreed, though the efficiency of the motor is impressive and has been demonstrated on YT. What we need to see now from Maxon is their 600WH battery, which AFAIK, is still in the design stage. It will be chubbier (like with Bosch did with their 800WH) rather than longer (like what DJI did with theirs), and FWIU, the batteries have attached dongles and the mounts are in different places, so the different capacity batteries are not retrofittable (i.e. the bike has to be designed for only one size battery). A 600WH on the Maxon will probably get you close to an 800WH on DJI, so I feel for us EMTB FP folks this platform is not viable until Maxon releases the 600WH.
 
i don't get why you are upset about this? it's not like there is any good bike announced with this system anyways?
 
Because Drama Queen.

For more examples just read any thread about a new Levo… 😂
 
sethimus said:
i don't get why you are upset about this? it's not like there is any good bike announced with this system anyways?
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Don't think anyone is upset , competition as in everything is good. The idea is good on paper, but in practice, well, 1 year to launch a 600wh battery....

The industry moves so fast in current times so for a corporation like Maxon, they are a bit slow..
 
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