Neverbeentomoab
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I’d choose a slightly heavier levo over the amflow every day of the week
Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...
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Uganda don't sell or service Amflow or any other ebike brands
That was just joke
I still don't get the anti amflow sentiment. It's a bike, it's sold as a trails bike. By all accounts it does that well. It also has the highest power output to weight compared to any of the other motors. Plus, the motor is relatively compact which helps to give a none pregnant snake look.Exactly, not everyone wants to pay 10K for flexing frame and components, paper thin exo casing a closest dealer somewhere in Uganda(my spec dealer is 15 min away)
On one side, you have people arguing that the Amflow is lighter because it has a paper frame, then on the other side, people arguing it's only lighter because of the tyres. I don't think we've heard of any destroyed frames yet and I'm pretty sure plenty of people ride them pretty hard, plus the frame is rated at upto 170mm for the fork. The flex feeling generally seems to be down to the stem.
Personally, I don't care, I doubt I'll buy a Levo as it's just Meh ... I actually think a gen1 s-works would be more interesting as a retro/classic play thing just for fun- and it's light as hell. I probably won't buy an Amflow either (though I'm tempted) because I'm weirdly content with what I have.
As I said, I just don't get the opinionated sentiment. You don't like it, who cares. At the end of the day everyone has different requirements, different tastes - however, we all like to EMTB and when were riding, we're all ecstatic no matter what we're on (unless it's a cube
) Here's someone else who disagrees.
sethimus
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thing is, the amflow is designed so its as light as possible, but with flaws like combining a yoke with a trunnion shock. plus, the parts it comes with are not made for real life riders, only good for cushion loving boomers. if you put proper parts on the amflow, it is as heavy as comparable bosch bikes with enclosed battery. so nothing special. and if its nothing special, i rather have a frame from a company that has more experience
Yes, but this power output to weight ratio is not everything, thats reason why I said ''Not everyone wants...'' its no hate, just a personal opinion, like a lot of people dont like Gen4 for weight. Everything is based on preferences.
But it was funny that people were expecting full bombed 38s build with 800+battery heavy brakes and weight around 20-21kg. Impossible...
There's going to have to be some very big suprise we haven't seen leaked yet for this new Levo to have any chance of diverting people away from the £6000 Amflow or the rumoured Deviate DJI bike.
I will continue running my s4 Kenevo until the Deviate or Gen 2 of the DJI as I have the 700 and 500 batteries for that & rarely use more than 44% assistance. With the 700 battery, upgraded downhill tyres, 29" wheel 38 Fork to mullet it, X2 shock and pedals my Kenevo with 180mm travel front and rear is still about the same weight as this new S4 S-works
This a great example of the cognitive dissonance that lots of us EMTB’ers suffer from.
Add up the cost of the Kenevo, the extra battery, a Fox 38 (and 29” wheel?), new tyres and the X2 shock and you’re at what sort of price?
Cost of entry is not a barrier if we think honestly about the sort of stuff we buy to make any off the shelf bike ‘perfect’.
Also, and I’m not having a go at you here, but why is it reasonable or even sensible to think that any new bike needs to be ‘better’ than the custom one you’re running now?
I might be old fashioned here, I’m still knocking about on a Levo SL (35Nm - poor me!) and a 2019 Focus Jam2 (double the torque at 70Nm!) but no new bike will be ‘all things to all men’ and I suppose I get a bit surprised by the sheer angst displayed (not by you!) when something doesn’t seem to have been designed around them.
sethimus
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i rather buy another range extender for my uber nice fully decked out kenevo sl 2 than the full new levo with all the infos i have so far. suits me plenty as is only need the motor to get me up in a reasonable time and i can enjoy a lighter bike with more travel on the way down
Sounds like a great bike for you, why would you even be thinking about a new one?
Are you really in the market for a new bike or like most of us just watching on to see what the Gen4 looks and rides like?
People keep on about the ‘hype’ around this launch, but honestly it feels like it’s in the heads of some people on here (and other fora) rather than anything else.
In the Specilaized office I’m sure it’s nothing more than a big milestone on a plan somewhere, ‘Gen 3 is end of life here, and Gen 4 sales start here’, or something!
Why couldn’t they leave the design as it was; changing the battery in a current Levo is hardly hard work is it?
And apparently it’s loads lighter.
Have you ever been on an AMflow? I loved my last 22MY S Works Levo, then I had a go on an AMflow it’s like a fairground ride.. Over a 17 mile course I know well the AMflow is 20 mins faster than what I was on my last S works.
Hitorogoshi
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Sigh.... 
Nomadic Dad
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I paid £2200 second hand for the Kenevo, £350 for the X2 brand new via Merlin and already had the 38s (£670ish new via chain reaction) and the 29" Hunt wheel was from a MX wheelset that was £300 total new a few years ago.
My main point was that unless there's something like regenerative braking or something revolutionary hiding for the actual launch, the Levo looks meh and already outdated where as it was genuinely ahead of the competition for previous generations
But it's mainly what the gen4 offers over the gen3.
For anyone who doesn't want much power, you can buy a KSL/SL.
For anyone who wants a great all round bike at (discounted) semi reasonable prices and good power/range/altitude, the Gen3 Levo.
If you have to have a Specialized, want even more power and price isn't a factor, then the Gen4. OK, it also has an inbuilt mini safe for your cash if you're using it for urban drug sales.
Obviously there's a million variations and exceptions to that, but as a very basic overview.
But if you want a gen3 alternative, would like more power for who knows what and don't like the bulky motor area, the Amflow must tick a lot of people's boxes ... and the Vala or the latest Rail.
Not meaning to wind anyone up, this is only the Gen4 rumours thread and not the Temple of Gen4 , so I think some other boring conversation is ok
OK, an S-works can FAST FAST charge ... or just buy two Amflow's and put one on charge whilst you ride the other if that's so important.
Surprised the gen 4 doesn't have a subscription based fast charging & power bump
Don’t give ‘em ideas!
I paid £2200 second hand for the Kenevo, £350 for the X2 brand new via Merlin and already had the 38s (£670ish new via chain reaction) and the 29" Hunt wheel was from a MX wheelset that was £300 total new a few years ago.
My main point was that unless there's something like regenerative braking or something revolutionary hiding for the actual launch, the Levo looks meh and already outdated where as it was genuinely ahead of the competition for previous generations
You sound like me then, a shed full of stuff purchased when CRC were still a thing!
On that basis, I’m not going to spend £10k+ on a new e-bike either, but some people will, and they’ll buy whatever is around at the time they make the purchase. They may not even change anything unless it wears out…
We aren’t going to see anything truly revolutionary on EMTBs now, it’s all just evolution no matter how powerful the motors get, how light and quiet gearboxes become or even if they manage to miniaturise regen breaking enough to make it viable without adding tons of weight.
It’s all still two suspended wheels powered by some legs, and if it moves away from that then it’s a motorbike and a whole new debate.
sethimus
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wow, faster. did you have more fun on the way down? or is this 17mile course on flat terrain and the motor is the only thing that keeps you going fast instead of gravity?
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Rando_12345
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So moving away from the amflow vs gen4 levo...
Who do we feel most sorry for: the Spesh marketers that somehow kept a reasonably good secret until the week before launch, or the poor emtbforums moderator who is going to have a real
Monday morning?
Who do we feel most sorry for: the Spesh marketers that somehow kept a reasonably good secret until the week before launch, or the poor emtbforums moderator who is going to have a real
Monday morning?Black Bear Trail
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That's a nice bike, and looks so much slimmer than the Levo, even though it has 85 Nm, which is no difference really if the Levo has 90 Nm. The Japanese market is very limited, however, and I don't think I can get that here.
Georgedukesa
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More like chinaExactly, not everyone wants to pay 10K for flexing frame and components, paper thin exo casing a closest dealer somewhere in Uganda
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