E10 -V- E22
Initial impressions
So I have been asked by a lot of people to do this comparison. Whilst each person who has pm'd me on Instagram, EBR, Facebook and this forum have asked for specific details between the two along with 'which is better?'. It is my intention to provide the information only so that any of you can make your own informed decision.
In addition, I acknowledge that those on EBR who have pm'd me, have done so to ascertain whether they should buy either,
The Luna Z1 (E22) or,
the Luna X2 (E10).
PLEASE BARE IN MIND, that I have noticed variants of the E10. Most notably,
The onboard charging facilities seem to be located in different places. My E10 (which for the purposes of this post, we'll refer to as E10v1), is located below the rear shock/on top of the motor mount.
Whereas on the Luna x2 (as well as other ebikes which bare resemblance to the E10), have the charging port located on the left side of the seat tube/above the motor.
Because of this discrepancy, I cant vouch as to whether my findings are applicable to the Luna x2 (which we'll refer to this variant as E10v2).
I say this because I don't have the luxury of thoroughly examining that variant. Further discrepancies may exist (aalthough the geometry table seems the same-ish!!!).
With that out of the way, let's dive into this.
Similarities
Frame
As many have suspected, their are similarities between the two.
On the left is the E22 and on the right, is the E10v1
The E22 on the left is a large (the biggest frame they offer at the time of this post) The E10v1 is an xl.
For the purposes of the above image, take note that both are using 27.5" wheels (but both can run 29". This brings us nicely to the first notable similarity.
Both frames are using the exact same rear ends, linkage and yoke.
This means that regardless of which frame you buy/build up, they both use the same:-
Bearings
Mech hanger
Axle
Linkage
Cable grommet
Bushes
Whilst I do recognise that more options exist aftermarket for the E10, hopefully these afternoon vendors will consider altering their advertising to reflect 'compatible with E22'.
Another notable similarity would be that both use 31.6 seatpost.
As you can see on the large frame E22, i have no problem running a slammed 210 One Up dropper post.
Naturally, the xl E10v1 can run a slammed 210 One Up dropper.
Take note as to the saddle rail position between the two. It may be difficult to determine however, both bikes are using the same Giant Contact Forward saddles in different colours. The xl has a 21" seat tube vs the large has a seat tube of 20".
Electrics
Both are capable of housing the same battery within the downtube.
Technically, the battery bay is near identical in terms of key lock, battery mount, battery door, power switch etc. However,
I am aware that (subject to which motor you use on the E10v1 or v2) the 52v battery may not work. The M600 has no problems running it. The M500 (as I suspected) does not work.
Unclear as to the M510 at the time of me writing this but I'll update one of the many E10 threads with that information
special thanks to
@Mabman who ultimately inspired me to also buy a 52v battery for testing. Indeed, his contribution to this thread has been most appreciative
Differences
Yes guys and girls, their are a few
and I suspect this is where a lot of you will be eagerly reading.
Frame
So as you can see, the front triangles are different (in more ways than one).
Let's start off with the obvious, rear shock placement and sizing.
As I've stated before, the E22 uses a metric standard rear shock length of 230mm and can only provide up to 150mm with a stroke length of 60mm (again, it cannot be one-stroked).
The shock mounts from underneath the downtube which material has been used to reinforce the mounting area.
I'll refrain from giving my opinion as to why a metric shock length of 230mm has been used for a 150mm travel emtb when these rear shocks are typically reserved for the Allmountain/enduro/long travel emtb's (correct me if I'm wrong). However, I have sent an email to confirm whether the E22 (by design) is rated for the use of a coil. As soon as I get a response, I'll update the thread.
However compared to the E10v1 (and v2) which uses a metric shock standard of 210mm (and ultimately gives only 150mm of rear wheel travel), the shock mounts on the downtube with more reinforced material protruding. By design, I would suspect that the E10 is more rated for a coil shock but I'm only gauging this by feel and from observations I've seen by others in terms of spec components.
Again, I have ssnt an email as to whether the E22 can be ran or is optimised for a coil. I'll update the thread once I've got a response
The second different would be the weight.
No picture could ultimately emphasize this unless I balance each bike off scales
Ultimately, the E22 is heavier. Mine weights in at 27kg (26.86 to be exact with pedals and clean). Whilst many have said that I could drop 'some' weight by opting for different tyres, suspension etc.
Please excuse the fact that the E10v1 is poorly spec'd but hypothetically, pretend that both bikes were spec'd equally. The E10v1 would be lighter.
Recall my reference to the protruding material as to the shock mount on the E10. Technically, the E22 frame (on its own without motor) is lighter than the E10v1.
Nevertheless, the true crooks to the weight penalty between the two frames falls to the motors.
Electrics
It should be painfully obvious that the E22 is only compatible with the M620 motor (regardless of which communication protocol it uses).
I'm not too sure if I've mentioned this before but the M620 motor does come in a variety of options. All motors use the same mounting bracket and hardware. However (subject to the generation), internal components as well as the controllers do vary. The clutch, main planetary gear, crank spindle, outer bearings and some other pieces remain prevalent throughout the longstanding run time of the M620. However, outer casing material, secondary gear, controller amongst other bits, usually indicates which variant of the M620 a person has. By contrast throughout the runtime of the M620, the weigh has fluctuated depending on the variant. Mine, weights 5.3kg. Their is one variant which is lighter and the majority are usually heavier.
Nevertheless, the motor does weight the frame down.
Any thoughts of 'assuming' that carbon frame M620 ebike constitutes to weight savings over alloy frame M620 ebikes is gravely mistaken. Take it from someone who has recently had to play the game of hike-a-bike with it.
Compared to the E10v1, it really doesn't matter which motor you equip to the frame (M500/M600/M510). The system weight remains less compared to the E22.
But (and their is a but)
clearly, the cockpit is better looking and more functional.
Subjective option, yes I know!!!
Especially when compared to the E10v1.
Take note that at this point, I am forced to use 31.8mm handlebars compared to the E22 with its 820mm 35mm Bontrager Line handlebars with a 12mm rise. Compared to my 810mm 31.8 answer handlebars with 8mm rise.
Oh!!!!, it would appear that I'm only allowed to upload up to 25 pics per post. Damnnn!!!
Anywho, its probably for the best that I wrap this post up now and continue it another day. I imagine many of you are asking about geometry. We'll come to that. After I've installed my angle headset into the E10v1 (
took a while for me to find one after measuring the insertion depth for both upper and lower cups). As it stands (and I will be honest with you all), the E22 in terms of geometry, components and versatility, has a clear advantage of the E10v1. In fact (otherthan the weight), it has had a clear advantage over the E10v1 for every test I've come up with. The E10v1 in terms of reach, is a tad bit longer. But the handling of E22 (my build of the E22), is far superior.
And this is coming from myself and 5 other riders which we've literally spent the entire day thrashing the bikes around. And yes, we did race them. I wont tell you which bike won.....because you know which bikr won!!
But I digress (removing my subjective opinion to one side), I'll keep you all posted pertaining to the geometry once I've built up the E10v1 better.
No video footage for this post sadly guys and girls (forget my gopro). But theirs always next weekend
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