Wojtek
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100%! Been using 120nm 750w motor last 6 years, never ever thought it had too much power! But it does have 1050wh battery.
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Cyclopathic
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I'd agree it's a great system. I enjoyed my AmFlow tremendously. For my riding, I never need close to the Turbo or Race levels on the Bosch G5 CX-R, as I still want to pedal and work a bit for the descent. If you're shuttling for the downhills, I get the want for it totally.
Yeah it’s basically shuttle mode. Maybe that’d be a proper term over boost. On trail I’m 100% in auto always. Rarely change from that. Eco here and there but I personally don’t care as much about the exercise haha. I just want to get to the downhill as fast as possible.
@Cyclopathic so you had the amflow and now shuttle. With the word being that pivot may be offering Avinox soon, do you think you’d have preferred for your shuttle lt to have the new avinox over the Bosch? Let’s say if you were buying it today and your options were the new m2s or the Bosch.
Cyclopathic
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Honestly, no. All these motors are superb now. Polini, Specialized, Avinox, Bosch, Mahle, and soon the Maxon Airdrive S. I've owned three of these in the last 4 years, and to me, it comes more down to the bike, the build quality, the ride quality, and versatility. If be happy with any of these motors if the bike it's bolted to ticks the boxes and means I have a great time on the trails. Honestly, Pivot build and ride quality is hard to beat.
Yea I get that, but you’re buying the pivot shuttle LT and on the order form let’s say it gives you every motor option in a drop box for your shuttle order. So exact same bike, but you get to pick which motor combo. Just curious what you’d go with and why. I know it’s hard to say the new m2s because we all aren’t totally sure what it’s going to be like yet, but you still get that option or the m1 along with the Bosch, brose, etc etc.
Not trying to make you pick the Avinox. Just want to hear why you’d pick your option. There’s just not many of us on this forum that have actually owned and ridden more of these motors. I’ve owned and spent a lot of time on brose, Bosch, and avinox now. I think it’s more informative for us guys to give opinions on here vs the people just chanting crap they hear about the motors without ever riding them. I agree they all are pretty damn good.
Cyclopathic
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Now that's a tough choice!!! I've genuinely loved characteristics of each, and each overall has been a great ownership experience.
The Avinox's integration, customisability, and power delivery are hard to beat for those characteristics. But I don't find it as natural feeling as the other two, the fixed battery and lack of REx a downside, and the rattling clutch was just downright annoying.
The Spesh had loads of torque from near no cadence, which was great for climbing tech. But the system and bike was heavy, and the chainstay too short. But the motor was very good, and the modular batteries excellent.
The Bosch is quiet, rattle-free, has modular batteries, REx availability, serviceable everywhere, and the motor itself feels smooth and natural in the way it gives the power.
The one I'm hoping is as good as it promises to be is the Maxon Airdrive S, as it seems to combine most of the great features of the others, but is smaller, lighter, and near silent driving and rattle-free. But it's also an untested entity so far.
For now, I'm well happy with the Bosch. Word has it in the next few weeks it'll be 120Nm too, which is great too.
This is the info people need on here! Like true opinions from someone who has owned them. I only get annoyed on this forum when people get strong opinions that have never owned or actually spent time on something. They just regurgitate stuff they read online and back their purchase by trashing everything else they haven’t even spent time on.
Yeah, but they, (Bosch) don’t have the class 3, 28mph option like Avinox and specialized. That’s a big one for me.
Cyclopathic
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That's of no consequence to me and riders here, but for where you live I can understand that.
There’s actually a lot of people here who feel the same, hence all of the derestrict threads. As for your interest in the Maxon, it’s in the new Pole which should be available in the near future.
Cyclopathic
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That's sadly the truth. It's called 'choice-supportive bias', in that most people (me included I'm sure) build subjective beliefs that what they just bought with their cash is the best thing, and better than others. Then the next one they buy, the same again....
Then there's marketing, and it's ability to influence what we should perceived as the best, made worse when influencers are often paid by the manufacturers.
That said, the Avinox is excellent, it's a great product. I just didn't find from my own comparative experience that it was better in every way than others. In some ways it was, in some ways others were better, for me and my riding.
Others may feel differently and have different preferences and local riding needs.
Few bad bikes these days. Pick the best bike, motors are a bonus nowadays.
Red Peekay
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When I ordered my eDreadnought the other week talking to my LBS, he was of the opinion that one of the reasons one would prefer the Avinox over the Bosch is for the ability to derestrict the speed on the Aninox via the VPN method.
Also FYI, the eDreadnought and eDruid both come with a choice of 600wh or 800wh batteries with the new Avinox motor.
The LBS hasn't placed any orders for the 600wh battery... only 800wh... a demand thing I guess.
Rando_12345
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Nice, but that website looks like what chatgpt generates with a basic prompt...
dadeadduck
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I read that as 900wh can be extended to 1300w with a 400wh range extender that weighs 1.5kg.
The 800wh battery is 2.8kg, so a 400wh battery with external grade casing would be about 1.5kg.
The 800wh battery is 2.8kg, so a 400wh battery with external grade casing would be about 1.5kg.
Cyclopathic
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I'd suspect the same as I was reliably informed no REx in the near future.
We'll see on Thursday. But probably you're right. Too good to be true...
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Rando_12345
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No, the 800wh is 3.8kg
Coiler
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Was an April fools joke sadly
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that’s the weight of the 600wh
—> lots of idiots who have no clue about the current technological possibilities
THERE ARE NO FUCKING WONDER BATTERIES!
Rando_12345
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Just a few days left, I expect a lot more leaks tomorrow and Wednesday as the bikes finally arrive in shops... At least the PX models
Yep. All the factory EMTB manufactures of batteries are limited to the latest technology cells. So yeah. Batteries are going to be pretty similar across the board, with very small variations in weight.
No one is going to produce a battery 1kg lighter for the same energy output.
BTW. I'll find out in a few days, but it does seem the Teewing Flux I've bought will have the M2 motor. Not sure whether I'm happy about this, having an M1 in my Amflow.
Cyclopathic
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Even when SSBs start to come through, I doubt we'll see such massive weight differences from the increased energy density. Will they be lighter? Noticeably, yes. 1kg lighter as above? Very unlikely.
Cyclopathic
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It's likely to be an enhancement on the M1. More power and torque (if ever needed), but no rattling clutch and other improvements. You should be pretty stoked I reckon!
dadeadduck
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yeah, thanks, so any extender , if real, is gonna be closer to 2kg.
Maybe I'm deaf, but I have never heard my M1 rattle. With all the tyre and chain slap noises, I just don't hear it.
My concern is the added weight of the M2. I'm a bit of a weight weenie. But I'm sure it will be fine.
Cyclopathic
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Weirdly the rattling level seems to have varied on the M1, some nearly silent, others like a bag of spanners, much down to luck. Mine rattled, audibly on descents, but I know others who's M1 bikes haven't much at all
Wouldn't worry too much on your Flux, it's a bigger bike for bigger riding, so not as important to keep weight low. (Coming from a fellow lifelong weight weenie)
A 900Wh(max 940Wh) is definitely possible already a lot written about it. Slightly less capacity(6,2Ah) cells would equal to 900Wh. Or they are just being modest with the actual numbers and it's in reality a cca 930Wh.
But a 1,5 kg 400Wh is obviously highly unlikely, let's elaborate.
With 21700 cells(5,5Ah) only the cells, in this case for 400Wh we need 20 cells × 73g would weigh in at cca 1450g. 50g for the rest(housing, cell holders, wiring, bms,..)?
Unlikely to use these cells, but the older inferior 18650 cells(3,6Ah), in this case for 400Wh we need 30 cells x 45g would weigh in at cca 1350g. A 150g for the rest(housing, cell holders, wiring, bms,..)?
Unless Amflow/DJI is a step ahead?
The only theoreticaly possible way for a 1,5kg 400Wh REx is the use of solid state battery tech that's is emerging and promises 400Wh/kg. In that case you stil have 0,5kg left for the rest of the REx(actually u don't need wiring, cell holders, only a bms and a connector).
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