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That guy is a douche bag who is obsessed with bashing Avinox motors because they make too much power in his opinion.
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you are rude.... sycophant....
I don’t think you know what that means.
“A sycophant is a person who flatters or praises someone powerful or influential in an insincere way, often to gain an advantage. The term suggests a servile or fawning attitude towards those in authority.
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It’s fine if you don’t like something, (Avinox motors and a lack of regulations) but don’t make social media posts trying to convince the masses that they should all agree with you and your opinions. And use fear mongering saying that such products are going to cause trail access issues and will ruin the sport for all MTB users. That’s blatantly false. We don’t need more regulations, we need less. I can regulate myself, I don’t need anyone else to do it for me. I am responsible for my own actions. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. But don’t tell me that I shouldn’t buy it or be able to buy it or say we should ban them. People who do that can F right off.Alex Bike Tester is just expressing his opinion, doesn’t make him correct, or a ‘douche bag’ for that matter…
But whilst folks are using slang, why are people getting so angry because somebody isn’t noshing off their motor of choice?!
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with regards to the motors....and how they have been communicated about. That when someone who comes along with truth, is bashed for telling the truth. i wasnt clear.I don’t think you know what that means.
“A sycophant is a person who flatters or praises someone powerful or influential in an insincere way, often to gain an advantage. The term suggests a servile or fawning attitude towards those in authority.Cambridge University Press”
MTB-WALES
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Yup have to agree. He tries to be as controversial as possible to gain views
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Trails are under multiple user pressure, telling everyone to F right off is not the way.... I would like to note, back in my university days multiple user pressure on a ecosystem was actually something I did research on, we didnt have the F right off option on our questionnaires.
I don’t think you know what that means.
“A sycophant is a person who flatters or praises someone powerful or influential in an insincere way, often to gain an advantage. The term suggests a servile or fawning attitude towards those in authority.
I don't think he meant you were being a sycophant to Alex, but rather our Chinese overlords, or more likely, just others that prefer the Avinox.
Alex expresses an opinion, and actually now quite a few others in the comments and a small number of reviewers etc. are coming out agreeing with him. Doesn't mean he is 100% correct, but I'm quite certain there is some truth to what he states and he is passionate about it.
The larger problem, is that there are those that love the Avinox, and therefore slander others because they voice their dislike of their beloved system. A simple: 'That has not been my personal experience for reasons X, Y & Z and I have owned/ ridden both motor systems' would be preferable. It doesn't have to be personal.
One thing is clear: Absolute power corrupts. Because people nearly universally praised the Avinox when first released and now it's well known that they rattle like the Dickens and others have found that efficiency and torque based power delivery is subpar but not one reviewer mentioned these items initially.
The industry really needs more brave people like Alex to offer a different perspective even though swimming against the current combined with the anonymity of the internet, means you will be slandered and bashed as a result.
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curufinwe_wins
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Yeah, not sure looking at the general mtb landscape and especially the general mtb readership you find that people complaining about the higher power ebikes are somehow a minority. Every single pb, nsmb, reddit comment section is a constant flame war against emtbs....
But Alex is not commonly pursuing what I'd considered a well reasoned perspective. Much more akin to the majority of the pb commenters which you'd expect better. Then again, most of the industry guys have no idea how to actually objectively review anything regardless. That's how the industry has been pushed (by reviewers/influencers) into the do-everything super-enduro bike as a default when 99% of people would be better suited with downcountry at most.
But anyways, I only have experience with bbs02, cyc x3 pro, various hub motors, the bosch gen 2-5 motors, and the avinox. The avinox is definitely overtuned at stock (particularly tuned to react too fast/jerky), but it does adapt well to tuning we have access to, and I can't pretend the current bosch motors feel better overall (even at the same power cap 800% assist is a huge benefit imo). I borrow a friends trek CX G5 bike every so often and am pretty happy to go back...
Obviously both the gen 5 and avinox are ludicrously more refined (even if less powerful) than the dyi options. I'd be super curious to see how the new specialized and yamaha motors feel.
Velomotion put a lot of numbers and objective evaluations to the story with the early m1 motors and **shrugs** its definitely not bad overall, but it is absolutely a less exact strategy than the existing makers.
I'd be interested in a 600-750W peak power M2 as long as it had the high assist.
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Edit less than 1 mo experience with the avinox. So time will tell if things fall apart.
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When MTB journalists were getting the first sneak peeks of the DJI motor, over a year ago, I remember hearing talk about rattle, similar to Shimano and Bosch at the time, but by Oct 2024, when the first production models seemed to be rolling out, it was claimed they had fixed the rattle. I gave them massive props for this, as Shimano and Bosch, despite having years more development time, had made zero progress on that front. Now, with the Gen 5 models, Bosch has finally addressed it (Shimano not so much), but I am very surprised to see your suggestion that the DJI/Avonox motors have been secretly rattling all this time. Would any Avinox motor users care to clarify and confirm this point?
And just to be clear, I am talking about the classic "clutch rattle" that occurs when coasting on a rough descent.
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It’s hardly noticeable. Really isn’t an issue but depends on your level of OCD
You live in your bit of the world, and I live in mine, probably the reason we have different views about regulation etc.
Here in the UK, we do have good access to trails on emtbs, currently anywhere a regular bicycle can go basically, but trail access in some places of our crowded island is on a knife edge and both riders and regulators/landowners are watching closely. That‘s why a disruptor product like the Avinox motor is attracting so much interest and also a little concern from people in my country at least.
Bikes powered by them have been around long enough that I‘ve come across them a few times on the trails, and there’s no way that the ones I’ve encountered are being ridden in ‘UK Mode’, presumably they’re all ‘riding in NZ’…
You and me can regulate ourselves, sure, but lots of people don‘t seem to be able to. Avinox bikes set to 28mph ripping around the bridleways here are blurring the lines between legal emtbs and the illegal Surron’s etc, and personally I find that troubling.
We’re going to be more and more regulated at some point, and the worst thing is we’re going to let it happen.
And worse, increases in regulation and reduced access to currently accessible UK countryside will be accelerated by people riding bikes which are outside current legal power and speed limits.
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People have been riding derestricted e-bikes since they were released. Let’s not pretend it’s a new thing or an Avinox thing. When I bought a Levo I was offered for it to be derestricted by the shop. That was 6 years ago.
Of course, people do de-restrict their bikes, that’s not really the issue and they can do what they want whilst I’m still legally allowed to ride my emtb on the bridleways from my front door.
IF the current ‘arms race’ goes the way it’s going though then at some point we here in the UK may lose that access and whilst it’s tempting to flip the bird and just carry on anyway, losing legal access to everywhere but the road or private land I have permission to ride on would suck.
When you can ‘de-restrict’ an e-bike with nothing more than a VPN, I think there’s something amiss. When companies piss in the regulators ear and then tell them it’s just raining, it doesn’t usually end well for the rest of us, is all I’m saying.
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Yes I agree with you. My point is that it’s always been there it’s nothing new. And if they changed the vpn thing so that you couldn’t ride at the same speed as other countries then people would find other methods I. Fact there already are other methods for that motor. For as long as we have e-bikes there will be derestricted bikes. Capping power is probably the way to go to bring a level of safety.
Of course they have, and as such should be condemned. Not opposing derestricted bikes effectively condones their use.
MTB-WALES
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If I was to put my energy into condemning something I would rather go for real world issues rather than someone riding slightly faster on a bike. Each to their own though x
Just oppose it on the forum, not complicated.
A large percentage might self regulate for the common good. It's the small percentage of selfish people who don't who are the problem and potentially ruin it for those that do self regulate.
Too many whiny Karen’s in here, it’s time to go for a ride!
Already done my ride for the day, and very good it was too!
Took the non EMTB out for a ride, regretted that a third of the way up the first big climb though! It was this old bird, now washed and back in the stable.
Now kicking back with a glass of red wine, listening to rain hitting the windows and looking forward to the USA F1 race later, and a bit of NFL afterwards maybe.
Yours, Karen.
The F1 race was like watching paint dry.Already done my ride for the day, and very good it was too!
It was this old bird, now washed and back in the stable.
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Now kicking back with a glass of red wine, listening to rain hitting the windows and looking forward to the USA F1 race later, and a bit of NFL afterwards maybe.
Yours, Karen.
I hope to own an Avinox powered bike in future for it's power to get up the steepest pinches, but I don't see any point in increasing power/weight from where they're at now. I'd rather see how light they could make a motor with a bit less power than the current Avinox.
I think speed restriction in public areas is important in order to avoid having other laws imposed on us. Registration and licensing would be a PITA.
I think speed restriction in public areas is important in order to avoid having other laws imposed on us. Registration and licensing would be a PITA.
