Could we have a sub forum for hand wringing Americans to cry over their state juntas banning fun so us European libs under no such threat can enjoy bombing around unfettered on our 10,000 watt bikes without their shit spamming the joint to death?
Authorities are waking up...
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Heated
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Well - Queensland in australia are basically banning everything* over 25kmph from july 1st.
Massive fines including sieze and crush.
Expected to roll out to more states.
Kids parents will be fined if under 16.
That's been the law in NSW since the day dot. Enforcement has always been the issue.
Once again. The problem is shady retailers selling +25kph E-Motos, under the guise that they will only be used on private land. I literally have mates asking me about them, wanting to use them as commuters.
I have to explain it to them, that the fines are massive, and you get points against your drivers license, meaning you can lose you drivers license. That's why the biggest problem is kids. They have nothing to lose.
I'm pointing these guys towards EMTBs, like the Amflow and Meridas. This is what we need to do. Not start EMTB flame wars like the numpty that's running around this forum, doing exactly that. It's so destructive trying to tie EMTBs to the story in the OP. As I showed. That story has nothing to do with EMTBs.
The S-Works Levo should be banned according to your logic as it has been updated to 850W !?!
thongraegu
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There kinda laws are kinda stupid, here bikes are already restricted to slow 25km/h 15miles/h and the more powerfull e-mtb people roaming in the forest are absolutely not a problem at all. I think they are trying to target these e-moto types but it might hit a wrong target with it.
Same as in the UK where the issue is also enforcement.
Think enforcement is increasing in some parts of the UK. Recently read about some non-compliant eBikes being confiscated on the spot by the police and crushed.
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Joecrow
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Yes, not too many EMTB's in this lot thankfully!
Police seize dozens of illegal electric two-wheelers in major Oxford crackdown
I ride in a State Preserve next to my house. It has about 15 miles of single track. Up until a few weeks ago “no peddle assist” bikes were allowed (although it was never enforced). Now they just put up signs saying E-Bikes are allowed providing you have a disability that requires it. That is basically throwing in the towel 
. Everybody has a disability of some kind 
. Everybody has a disability of some kind There have been news reports of police cracking down in many city centres and confiscating illegal bikes. Seems to be aimed at Deliveroo type riders who blast through pedestrian areas rather than the eMTB crowd. I some how can't see them deploying into the local woods
Undeniable win when HIPAA protects Americans’ personal health information. You can’t be even asked for proof of a disability. At least that’s my layman’s understanding of the law.I ride in a State Preserve next to my house. It has about 15 miles of single track. Up until a few weeks ago “no peddle assist” bikes were allowed (although it was never enforced). Now they just put up signs saying E-Bikes are allowed providing you have a disability that requires it. That is basically throwing in the towel
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Yeah that’s wrong.
Vision_Tim
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Maybe you need to get a Handi-tag for your EMTB now.
My wife and daughter are in the medical field so I understand HIPAA more than I care to. This is why I feel the authorities are basically throwing in the towel because they know they can’t go down that road. It’s a multiuser trail (hikers/horses/MTB and now EMTB) Everyone that rides these trails knows most of the hikers hate us, so this rule change basically allows the authorities to wash their hand of it which is fine with me. They made a rule that can’t be enforced
I’m not sure it is wrong but I’m open to being educated on this if you can.
Seems that there's increased UK wide enforcement of current pedelec laws.
"UK police and local authorities are systematically seizing and crushing illegal and antisocial e-bikes across the country. The crackdown primarily targets bikes that have been modified to exceed the legal 15.5 mph limit, lack necessary registration, or are involved in antisocial behavior, phone snatches, and severe traffic violations."
"UK police and local authorities are systematically seizing and crushing illegal and antisocial e-bikes across the country. The crackdown primarily targets bikes that have been modified to exceed the legal 15.5 mph limit, lack necessary registration, or are involved in antisocial behavior, phone snatches, and severe traffic violations."
Well…I would definitely qualify. I could hang the handicap-tag next to the air-freshener and my support dog permit.
As you can see from the post below from today. Going down your anti-tampering path. There are many Motors where tampering is considered easy. So you are going to get every EMTB outlawed in the UK.
You are not helping. You need to let this go.
the Rise is RS tuned to 60Nm - the 'detuning' is probably going to the standard Shimano EP801 torque @ 85nm
I know many people with Bosch and Shimano motors - the very first thing absolutely every single one of them did was take it to the other shop up the road that allowed the 'chipping' to remove the limiter!
Funny that init
I starred out ***** the tool he used. It's the exact same tool for tampering. The screen to change the torque, has the region control as well.
Point is. I'm not the only person who says the process is very easy.
Making the case that ease of tampering is equivalent to the OP linked News Story of Throttle Driven E-Motos, will get all ebikes banned, including EMTBs. But that does seem the case that the OP is trying to make.
With UK riding access laws so easily swayed. Support him in the UK at your own peril.
Eh? Swayed how & by whom?
Joecrow
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I''m no expert on Shimano motors but delimiting Bosch Smart System motors is certainly not easy. The chip de-restrictors are expensive and not 100% effective and if you can find anyone to change the firmware to a USA version it still has a max of only 32 kmh, also either method will certainly void any warranty on a new bike!
I don't know. It's the raft of UK riders on this forum saying they are trying to protect access rights from, "The Waking Authorities", by starting threads like this one. It seems a UK based theory. We certainly aren't seeing any mention of EMTB issues here in Australia. Only E-Moto.
Oh I see. So it's a confident assertion that upon scrutiny turns out to be you citing a guy living in Italy & referring to developments in Italy, extrapolated to the UK without any evidence at all, save for a bunch of randoms on an internet forum & run up to an entire raft of policy. Some might call that overreach. I'd probably choose a different adjective.
Hmmm.
If you check the person I quoted. They have said this.
After 20 mins at full power, the Bosch CX5 continues to deliver over 600 watts. The Shimano EP801, over 450 watts. The Avinox M1 over 800 watts.
Tying these legal motors to illegal E-Moto news stories in Social Media posts gets picked up by AI search bots, and forwarded as answers to questions people ask search engines. Then suddenly mistruths become truths, and authorities do step in.
I'm sure they did & you're just the piano player. Unfortunately, the tune you ended up playing bears no relation to what was composed or indeed objective reality. It would be easier all round if you just for once attempted to overcome your programming & accept that His majesty's government is not in fact reviewing countryside trail accessibility just because some guy said so on here & it gave your own biases one hell of a cuddle. I'm not much of a fan of out & out bullshit, doubling down on it, even less so.
Hmmm.
According the Google AI Amflow bikes are illegal in California and some other states as they have a power of more than 750W.
The First Bike Tester (also not an influencer) is running a campaign to get one particular brand of motor banned wherever he can. Others are joining his crusade.
The First Bike Tester (also not an influencer) is running a campaign to get one particular brand of motor banned wherever he can. Others are joining his crusade.
Sure. Sometimes in risk management, you present a solution to a risk that has almost zero probability of happening, just to cover off anyone going down that path.
I think this is actually correct, because Cali law quotes maximum motor power, not rated motor power. You are supposed to manually set peak power to 750watts to comply. Specialized has the same issue.
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