Anyone removed the Trek Rail Battery Lock?

I haven’t seen a printed version of the battery cover but I’m assuming mine is already carbon. (I hope). You might be able to order just a replacement carbon cover??
I'm pretty sure they are all aluminum. I have a 9.7 with a carbon front frame and my battery cover is definitely aluminum and it feels fairly heavy. It has long aluminum rails running down each side that run into the battery grooves. I thought I read somewhere that it is about 400 grams, almost a pound!! Seems like a good place to drop some unnecessary weight.
 
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I wouldn't want to remove the bottom bracket. These batteries are really heavy and some of us ride over some really rough terrain which puts a ton of force at the top and bottom of the battery. I really want to remove the heavy lock mechanism at the top but I really want a strong carbon printed mount for the replacement.
Still waiting for feedback from the testers of the 3D printed bracket done with PETG. If required, there are other options to strengten this 3D print, I would try first prior going the Fibre Filaments. Besides the higher price for carbon filament, it's abrasive, requires special nozzle and preparation. Better strength is not a given in all cases. Here is a good overview, if you are interested: Prusa Material Table | Prusa Knowledge Base
 
I'm pretty sure they are all aluminum. I have a 9.7 with a carbon front frame and my battery cover is definitely aluminum and it feels fairly heavy. It has long aluminum rails running down each side that run into the battery grooves. I thought I read somewhere that it is about 400 grams, almost a pound!! Seems like a good place to drop some unnecessary weight.
I think you’re right. I’ve searched the interweb on my eye-foan and can’t find a carbon cover for sale. There’s only mentioned of a custom built one on a vid, but no instructions, and they say the cover is about 400gms.
 
for the ones that requested a mount for a 500 instead of the 625 Battery - what do you think about this approch. Basically the same mount as for the 625 (Non-Smart), just 67mm longer and I've added an additional „feet“ that allows energy absorption to the frame closer the battery.

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for the ones that requested a mount for a 500 instead of the 625 Battery - what do you think about this approch. Basically the same mount as for the 625 (Non-Smart), just 67mm longer and I've added an additional „feet“ that allows energy absorption to the frame closer the battery.

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Why not make the area where the bolts go through the frame solid so there would be more thread engagement. Unless that little area is designed to hold a metal nut. Also, please see my photos, it needs the cutout like I circled done in the area I marked on your photo. You have to stick the mount in the frame first and lift the battery high enough to put the bottom in and then drop it down. The more cutout on the mount, the more the battery can be sticking out for you to hold onto while you are getting the bottom into position.

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for the ones that requested a mount for a 500 instead of the 625 Battery - what do you think about this approch. Basically the same mount as for the 625 (Non-Smart), just 67mm longer and I've added an additional „feet“ that allows energy absorption to the frame closer the battery.

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What is the idea here? Do you thread the mount? If so making this solid for more thread engagement is what I was talking about
 
the cutout would be easy to add. But I'm not sure, if it's required and it will for sure limit the stiffness.
Compared to the original design with standard nut, I've change to the one with a flange. I would not trust a M5 thread directly in the 3D print. Based on feedback, I've also adjusted the mount to the battery. This will allow some up/down adjustment. And I've changed the Print direction.

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the cutout would be easy to add. But I'm not sure, if it's required and it will for sure limit the stiffness.
Compared to the original design with standard nut, I've change to the one with a flange. I would not trust a M5 thread directly in the 3D print. Based on feedback, I've also adjusted the mount to the battery. This will allow some up/down adjustment. And I've changed the Print direction.

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I like having a metal nut in there. You can probably still get it in there without the cutout, just much harder. The battery is heavy and the more the cover is sticking out from the frame the easier it is to hold onto. I would at least make that side as thin as possible. Without actually trying it I can't say for sure but if you read back in the thread the problem was enough that one guy even designed his to have only one bolt through the frame.
 
the cutout would be easy to add. But I'm not sure, if it's required and it will for sure limit the stiffness.
Compared to the original design with standard nut, I've change to the one with a flange. I would not trust a M5 thread directly in the 3D print. Based on feedback, I've also adjusted the mount to the battery. This will allow some up/down adjustment. And I've changed the Print direction.

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Now that I think about it I don't see how it would work without the cutout. Have you made any that testers are using without the cutout? The reason I say that is because you have to stick the top of the battery in first and be able to pull it out far enough that the cover can go on the outside of the frame and then put the bottom in. If you can't pull it out far enough for the cover to go on the outside of the frame I don't see how it can work but maybe it'll just barely squeeze by without the cutout.
 
I'm pretty sure they are all aluminum. I have a 9.7 with a carbon front frame and my battery cover is definitely aluminum and it feels fairly heavy. It has long aluminum rails running down each side that run into the battery grooves. I thought I read somewhere that it is about 400 grams, almost a pound!! Seems like a good place to drop some unnecessary weight.
Moving to a 3 part 3D printed version of the Battery Cover removed 300 grams
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Can you print a cover?? I would really like one of those. I have an idea how to do it. I got the idea from a guy on YouTube. His Rail is 19.11 Kg! He made a carbon cover and just used Velcro. To me the best solution would be to add a little step at the front edge that would go inside the frame in the front only. At the bottom edge or just near the bottom a flat area that would set adjacent to the battery surface and just add a small piece of Velcro. Just need a small nylon strap hanging out at the bottom to grab onto to pull it off or a small slot at the bottom to pry it off.
Yes, i just completed my printed cover, thankfully i have a large printer so can print in just two sections, i printed it in Carbon, but for good measure also applied a carbon wrap purely for aesthetics. Came out nice. Saved 400g (ish)

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ah good point, in reality the added weight of the new cover went back on, so bit less than 400 in reality. Not actually weighed the new carbon cover. 'bugger all' isn't really a scientific measure :)
 
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I was going to remove this stuff but these 2 bolts are hard to get to. I don't want to bend the long strap so I can reinstall later when I sell the bike. Can these be accessed by removing the bash guard or what? Do you have to drop the motor? Thanks
 
Hi, I am so happy that I found this topic!
I would love to loose some weight from my Trek Rail 9.8 and change the battery from 750 to 500, maybe get rid of the lock. I have couple of questions so maybe you can help me.
1. Does the bosch smart system require any software changes to swap those batteries or it is just 'plug and play'?
2. Is there any chance to attach the battery cover to the adapter? Did you try to make a 3D print which can be a whole kit itself (adapter with cover, bracket) ?

Greetings from Poland!
 
Hi, I am so happy that I found this topic!
I would love to loose some weight from my Trek Rail 9.8 and change the battery from 750 to 500, maybe get rid of the lock. I have couple of questions so maybe you can help me.
1. Does the bosch smart system require any software changes to swap those batteries or it is just 'plug and play'?
2. Is there any chance to attach the battery cover to the adapter? Did you try to make a 3D print which can be a whole kit itself (adapter with cover, bracket) ?

Greetings from Poland!
RolfRapRap,( look above) can hook you up. I bought a 625 mount and a 500 mount and 2 printed covers. He put a lot of effort in creating a good system and is very knowledgeable.
 
Hi, I am so happy that I found this topic!
I would love to loose some weight from my Trek Rail 9.8 and change the battery from 750 to 500, maybe get rid of the lock. I have couple of questions so maybe you can help me.
1. Does the bosch smart system require any software changes to swap those batteries or it is just 'plug and play'?
2. Is there any chance to attach the battery cover to the adapter? Did you try to make a 3D print which can be a whole kit itself (adapter with cover, bracket) ?

Greetings from Poland!
1) To my knowledge the PCB in the smart motor should recognize any of the smart batteries. Just make sure you purchase a 500w smart battery (BOSCH P/N: EB12.100.018) so the power plug / cables will work. Full disclosure, I have not tried doing what you are proposing, and I am in the US so part numbers might be different.

2) It might be possible to stack two adapters (Trek P/N W582323) to fit a 500w battery in a 750w cover?

Everyone wants a bigger battery. Smaller usually has been a cost-saving measure by Trek, a restriction for the small size frame that can't fit the 750w battery, or using an extra battery as a spare. I totally understand your intention to save weight, I have done some odd and extreme things over the last 30 years.

In terms of doing long back country rides I like the idea of carrying a 500w battery in a backpack that would fit the 750w slot so let us know if it works.
 
Thank you @Scott76308 ! @RolfRapRap is there any chance to buy the kit from you? I believe I found your models at Printables but the files are no longer available.
Hello - please find an overview and mounting guide here. These are available on Ebay

I do have a Battery Lock Removal Bracket for 625 and 750 Smart Batteries, as well as the standard batteries plus a 500 mount in a 625 frame. I could create one to mount the 500 or 625 in a 750 Frame - but unfortunately I cannot provide an option for the Cover as the Battery Design changed for the Smart Batteries.
 
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View attachment 114679I was going to remove this stuff but these 2 bolts are hard to get to. I don't want to bend the long strap so I can reinstall later when I sell the bike. Can these be accessed by removing the bash guard or what? Do you have to drop the motor? Thanks
Hi, i'm working for this mod, anyone says the real weight of the Aligment plate on a Rail 750wh flow System, many thanks , i'm evaluating if is convenient or not to remove.
Regards
 
Hi Clarke , i had developped, but Is still during testing, the kit for Rail 9.8XT 750wh
Battery Cover 3D printed and Battery Mount/Dismounting without Key....if you are interested give me your Telegram contact, and i can sent you a video file.
When testing Is complete and kit Is validate i Will post here all result

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Wife and I both have 2022 Trek Rail 5 (alloy). What we want to do is to replace the keyed lock with something simple like a hex key so that batteries can still be removed. Both Rails live in an unheated garage so batteries are kept inside during cold months.

Can't see anything on this thread like this but perhaps my eyes are fubared 😉
 
I’m not sure it’s compatible with your model, but Pole do a product like that?

Anyone used one on a Rail?
The Trek RIB system uses proprietary end caps for the battery cover and doesn't use the powertube mounting plate. I doubt the Pole system would work with the stock cover if at all. If it did work and eliminated the rattle, that would be great.

I like the security of RIB on my commuter bike, on the Rail it's a disaster.
 
I wonder if there is enough interest for another group buy of the lock delete mod?

I assume that those have done this have eliminated any power cut issues?
 
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