New Amflow Models?
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Weird, why are your forks not the new 2027 version? Can you take a picture of the fork so we can see it has the older 2026 crown?
I think the updated 36 was released as a model year 2026 product and remains unchaged for 2027. So 2026 and 2027 versions should be essentially the same. Amflow probably have atches of both. They had the new 36s on the last PR bikes.
Not true. These should be the new 2027 Fox 36 Grip X2 with the cut shim stack damper. Amflow part number is 910-21-353. The generic Aftermarket version is 910-21-432…can be bought off of the Fox website now.
Ok, thanks. Didn't realise there was a further chamge to the grip x2.
Pyr0
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OK....that is a 2027 fork as it has the new crown. THanks so much for posting this. If you turn the fork around there is a long number on the back next to a QR-like box code on the part of the crown that is close to where the stem of the fork enters the headset.. That is the number I'd like to see. It would be a number something like this example: 1158334-0390-T
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Pyr0
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Canyon Shawn
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Does anyone have an idea yet how the range on the new PX 700w battery is compared to the PL 800w battery?
TheKaiser
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Range is highly dependent on terrain and motor setting, so you could ride 60miles on a flat rail trail, but only get 15mi on a steep ascent of with 6000k of vert, all on the same battery. For any given terrain and motor setting though, a watt is a watt, so the difference between the 700 and 800wh should be linear, with the 700Wh able to go 0.875 the distance achievable with the 800Wh.
That ignores minor factors like the .9kg weight difference, and also assumes similar settings in terms of charge and discharge limits (these systems are usually set to not quite fully charge or discharge, in order to extend battery lifespan). It also ignores the peak output difference of 1500w on the 700 and 1300w on the 800 as I don't expect many users to be using the peak output much, as your battery would only last about 35-45min, and as I said above, it assumes similar motor settings (you can de-tune the 700 to a 1300w max if you want to).
James_MTB
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I would like to know this as well.
While we understand various factors are at play, providing some real-world figures would be very helpful.
As previous post indicates, range very much depends on the terrain and rider weight. This is not a car with mpg rating
A dude that is 260lbs riding will have very different number when someone who's 140lbs. Plus you have terrain, which is not the same as what you're riding.
Whatever number anyone provides will not be applicable to you.
It would be nice if there was a standardized test the the manufactures had to put their motors through to get some sort of range or efficiency metric that can be used to compare different drive systems.
Assumed you use the new M2S with the 700w battery you can calculate it yourself. First Wh is Wh so its irrelevant if the battery is PX or PL. The claimed efficiency of the M2S is 84.7% compared to 82% of the M1. So for a M2S with 700Wh PX compared to M1 with 800Wh PL you have 700 / 800 * 84.7 / 82 = 0.904 - so the 700Wh PX gives 90.4% range of the 800Wh PL all things equal.
Rando_12345
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Atherton quote 1400m, Sam's bikes quotes 1400m. Both of those will be in auto or trail tuned to roughly half power.
Vojo specifically claim you will barely get 800m out of the PX in turbo.
I had a nicer response with links, but the forum won't let me post it, maybe it looked too much like AI because i referenced each range test...
Vojo specifically claim you will barely get 800m out of the PX in turbo.
I had a nicer response with links, but the forum won't let me post it, maybe it looked too much like AI because i referenced each range test...
Velomotion tests in comparison to other brands. But like others said you can’t compare their tests to street tests it’s just general.
Canyon Shawn
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Thanks genius!
Canyon Shawn
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Exactly!
Only thing I can find fault with the new AF, is battery size. If i'm going to drop 10K on an ebike (and I would like to) I want more than 700w battery.. even the removable 800w isn't what I had hoped for.
My "newest" bike is 6 years old, and after I spend this kind of cabbage on a new rig it may very well be another 6 before I get another, & I'll be real bummed if that larger battery comes out later and I blew my wad on a previous gen and can't afford to upgrade.
First world probs ammmirite?
However, if a larger battery were to become available later and it fits in these new models, that would be freaking sweet!!!
The new AF's won't be avail where I live for a few months so hopefully some new info on that comes out between now and then.
.. Having said all that this is a really sweet bike, and I would be thrilled to own it and I admit , I am nitpicking here..
My "newest" bike is 6 years old, and after I spend this kind of cabbage on a new rig it may very well be another 6 before I get another, & I'll be real bummed if that larger battery comes out later and I blew my wad on a previous gen and can't afford to upgrade.
First world probs ammmirite?
However, if a larger battery were to become available later and it fits in these new models, that would be freaking sweet!!!
The new AF's won't be avail where I live for a few months so hopefully some new info on that comes out between now and then.
.. Having said all that this is a really sweet bike, and I would be thrilled to own it and I admit , I am nitpicking here..
snozberries
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Pretty excited. After running into a scammer on PinkBike, I ended up getting connected with a rep from N+1 Bikes out in Louisiana. Got me hooked up and pre-ordered a PR Carbon.
Last he heard after talking to Amflow at Sea Otter was May/June ship date, but who knows.
Last he heard after talking to Amflow at Sea Otter was May/June ship date, but who knows.
The motor will also output slightly more power with the newer cell FP700 battery vs. the older cell FS800 battery. Also, when it gets hot on a long climb, bikes with the FP700 will not thermal throttle.
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DirkWisely
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So now that the rotation sensor is built into the brake rotor, how does one run different brakes? Are there sram compatible rotors available from amflow?
If AF would ever get their parts department sorted out , you could buy one of those speed sensors as well as that socket necessary to change out the chain ring..
Canyon Shawn
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When talking about range, high power and the highest power is only obtained in short intervals or peaks. So, you can’t say the battery is going to last X amount of time while using a certain amount of power. Power output is constantly going up and down based on a lot of conditions.
OK, here is the valving on your forks from your PX Carbon Pro as a comparison to standard off-the-shelf Fox 36:
1263734-0101-T (PN: 910-27-927):
2026 36 160, Grip X2 HSR/LSR/HSC/LSC Cart Assy. Complete, CFBV, CM, RXL, Blue (truly is a 2026 damper cartridge in the UK bike)
standard After Market 2026 Fox 36 Factory:
CFBV, CM, RXL (everything same as above)
new 2027 Fox 36 with new valving assembly announced for Sea Otter:
2027 36 160, Grip X2 HSR/LSR/HSC/LSC Cart Assy, Cart Assy Complete, BS40, MS40, RS60, Blue Ano
Shock SN: 1263867-0053-T PN: 979-02-703 (is a custom valving job for Amflow, can't buy it off the shelf from Fox):
2027, Float X, F-S, K, 2pos-Adj, Evol LV, Amflow, PX Carbon Pro, 210, 55, 0.5ci Spacer, CS40, RL40, LMM, Rezi B40, Bleed 0.9, MCU, AF-Grey/AF-Grey, AF-Grey/AF-Grey Logo, OE
To date the only manufacturer I have seen that puts custom valving for the Shock and Fork on their bikes from Fox is Specialized (e.g. Levo Gen 4 has custom valving). This bike appears to have a custom shock tune but the fork is standard aftermarket (AM....not OE) 2026 valving.
Anyone with a PX size L/XL would be so kind to measure RAD distance? A straight line, parallel to the frame, from the bottom bracket to just below the center of a straight line between both hand grips.
Can't decide between L and XL sizes (no amflows to test nearby my zone) so asked amflow for this spec but I just got an AI generated reply with no answer to the specific question
Can't decide between L and XL sizes (no amflows to test nearby my zone) so asked amflow for this spec but I just got an AI generated reply with no answer to the specific question
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Nomadic Dad
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What height and inseam are you?Anyone with a PX size L/XL would be so kind to measure RAD distance? A straight line, parallel to the frame, from the bottom bracket to just below the center of a straight line between both hand grips.
Can't decide between L and XL sizes (no amflows to test nearby my zone) so asked amflow for this spec but I just got an AI generated reply with no answer to the specific question
183 height 85 inseam. I did plenty of research and found people with these numbers claiming both L or XL t be too small or too big, so high individual variance even with same height. I'd like to know PX RAD number to get a more accurate picture before ordering either size.
You’re exactly the same as me. Go Large. I would always pick the smaller size if you have the choice.
elorenzo1
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I'm 179 cm tall and my inseam is 86 cm. My saddle height is 76 cm and I wear a size L.Anyone with a PX size L/XL would be so kind to measure RAD distance? A straight line, parallel to the frame, from the bottom bracket to just below the center of a straight line between both hand grips.
Can't decide between L and XL sizes (no amflows to test nearby my zone) so asked amflow for this spec but I just got an AI generated reply with no answer to the specific question
Pro X Carbon Pro size - L
I measured you as you said and unless I'm mistaken, it comes out to 93 cm. I hope this helps.
