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Levo Gen 4 Specialized Gen 4 Levo - Official Thread
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The Spesh shop I visit when I’m down in Edinburgh was already massively discounting the Levo, they had “in-store” deals that were around 35% off. They were even throwing in a range extender for free at one point.
My local Spesh dealer has had a S-Works frame on the wall since release. I told him I’d take it when it’s 50% off, he’s going to say “sold” one day and I’ll have to eat my words and actually buy it
. He did say that he’s had a few customers that were planning to buy but are holding off as they’re waiting to see what’s going to happen with pricing.
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My local Store had not sold a single S Works levo R when I called in the other week. They had removed it from the flagship stand and put an SL there instead. They got this Gen 4 so wrong in every area, looks, price, tech. All way out of sync with Market demand and requirements. The only way it will sell now is on Price. Shame really as loved my last 5 S Levos.The Spesh shop I visit when I’m down in Edinburgh was already massively discounting the Levo, they had “in-store” deals that were around 35% off. They were even throwing in a range extender for free at one point.
My local Spesh dealer has had a S-Works frame on the wall since release. I told him I’d take it when it’s 50% off, he’s going to actually say “sold” one day and I’ll have to eat my words and actually buy it
I did a demo on the Levo R and it’s actually a really fun bike to ride. I think most people would really like it if they could get past the price and the thicc downtube. I’d take one of I could get a really really good deal on it.
Ratcliff1893
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Do you really go into the local shop and ask about sales of bikes?
Absolutely I have been buying bikes from there for years, normal conversation to ask how things are selling.Do you really go into the local shop and ask about sales of bikes?
I had a short ride on the R and thought the same, good riding Bike. If no Anflow DJI power bikes were around I would have bought one in a Blink and paid the 12.5k, I gave 14k for my last Gen 3 S works. But that’s not the case there are many better riding bikes around, with more advanced technology for much cheaper prices.
Does the Gen 4 feel shorter than the Gen 3? I can only compare geo figures I guess.
Odd question maybe, I replaced my Gen 3 with a Trek Slash+ about 8 months ago and ridden that since. Recently started riding the Gen 3 again (it sat rotting for 8 months) and it struck me how long and cumbersome the thing was compared to the Slash+. An absolute oil tanker in comparison.
Odd question maybe, I replaced my Gen 3 with a Trek Slash+ about 8 months ago and ridden that since. Recently started riding the Gen 3 again (it sat rotting for 8 months) and it struck me how long and cumbersome the thing was compared to the Slash+. An absolute oil tanker in comparison.
Eduardoramundo
E*POWAH Master
In the S5 the Gen4 feels longer, and even longer again if you change the chainstay chip.
This is good, and it climbs much better.
Do you really go into the local shop and ask about sales of bikes?
"Hows buisness? sold any them dib dang levos yet?"
not sure the Gen4 felt shorter than the Gen 3. The first thing I noticed was the weight felt off on the Gen 4, it just didn’t feel balanced like the Gen 3 S did.
i def felt the weight but in all honesty second i got on the levo i could ride it well. I still think the actual core bike is a great bike but for me the visuals and battery drain was alot worst than avinox powered bikes. My current druid is def favourite bike ive owned but i wont rule specialized out if they make the gen5 more in line with what i want out of a emtb.
Hicksy 92
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Even after all this negativity on the gen 4 on here I’m still loving mine and it’s been faultless so far just like my 1 and 3 gens were , yes the price is hideous but after I bought mine which is a year ago next week , there’s a lot of bikes that have appeared out there that cost even more . And as for the down tube , well there’s plenty out there with with the same or even bigger tubes but the levo seems to get more stick than the others , what gets me going though yes we all have our opinions and rightly so , but there’s so much passionate hatred, it’s only a bike ffs, there’s dozens and dozens of bikes out there I really dislike wether it’s just the colour or it’s quirky styling, but I don’t slag them all off cause someone else thinks it’s the bees knees .
But I will add I’m glad Amflow has come in strong with there pricing cause the whole industry does need a shake up , not just the bike prices , but components, parts and even the gear we wear .
It’s Just my my thoughts of the day , me thinking this forum is getting more and more like face book , hope not
But I will add I’m glad Amflow has come in strong with there pricing cause the whole industry does need a shake up , not just the bike prices , but components, parts and even the gear we wear .
It’s Just my my thoughts of the day , me thinking this forum is getting more and more like face book , hope not
I theorize the price protection offer made to North American owners is what scared the European distributors away from jumping onboard. The price adjustment seems like an easy yes until refunds become part of the program.
In the absence of complete redesign of the Gen 4S, there is nothing else that they can do to stimulate sales here in the UK other than substantially reduce the price.
For all the negative propaganda we see about Levo 4 handling, they sure are putting down fast Strava times at my regular spot! They're all over the eMTB leaderboards; and Hawes' Strava segments are competitive too. Many segments have 1400-1800+ eMTB riders who logged times. I guess it could be that fast riders just happen to be choosing Levos, but that would be a testament in itself.
Don't believe the hype.
Don't believe the hype.
Specialized were overcharging for the Levo 4 and I think people were in their right to abuse a little bit more than usual on the negative comments.
With the recent MSRP adjustment the Levo 4 is pretty competitive in the segment if you're able to tolerate the few quirks like the fatter downtube which isn't even that bad in person in my opinion, still a sharp looking bike.
Only step left from Specialized until they can roll out Gen 5 is to offer the bike from the factory with the 600wh so they can offer something a little bit lighter.
The 600wh combined with the fast charger would be a very good setup, but it's quite expensive to do right now as you're forced into the 840wh and the fast charger isn't included.
With the recent MSRP adjustment the Levo 4 is pretty competitive in the segment if you're able to tolerate the few quirks like the fatter downtube which isn't even that bad in person in my opinion, still a sharp looking bike.
Only step left from Specialized until they can roll out Gen 5 is to offer the bike from the factory with the 600wh so they can offer something a little bit lighter.
The 600wh combined with the fast charger would be a very good setup, but it's quite expensive to do right now as you're forced into the 840wh and the fast charger isn't included.
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Eduardoramundo
E*POWAH Master
To be fair, most of the comments are positive. All the people that have one that I know love it.Even after all this negativity on the gen 4 on here I’m still loving mine and it’s been faultless so far just like my 1 and 3 gens were , yes the price is hideous but after I bought mine which is a year ago next week , there’s a lot of bikes that have appeared out there that cost even more . And as for the down tube , well there’s plenty out there with with the same or even bigger tubes but the levo seems to get more stick than the others , what gets me going though yes we all have our opinions and rightly so , but there’s so much passionate hatred, it’s only a bike ffs, there’s dozens and dozens of bikes out there I really dislike wether it’s just the colour or it’s quirky styling, but I don’t slag them all off cause someone else thinks it’s the bees knees .
But I will add I’m glad Amflow has come in strong with there pricing cause the whole industry does need a shake up , not just the bike prices , but components, parts and even the gear we wear .
It’s Just my my thoughts of the day , me thinking this forum is getting more and more like face book , hope not
Most of the negative comments are actually only from one person, who spends an unhealthy amount of time slagging it off with dozens and dozens of negative comments
.Just now came across this post. I am trying to maximize range for a rails to trails trip. (Yeah, I know, not what the bike is designed for, but it's the bike I have and I want to do the trip. Average distance will be 60 miles a day.)
I have been trying various settings thru the app. And, like you, found the bug in Dynamic Micro tune 0/100 that shows 0 battery draw even though it obviously is giving considerable assistance.
My range experience so far is
auto minus 104 miles ((didn't bother with auto, auto+)
dynamic micro tune at 0/100 116 miles
eco tuned to 10/10 125 miles
micro tuned 10/10 131 miles
I also tried "Smart Control". Initially, I thought it would be great to predicate assist based on heartrate. That it would be great for aerobic training. This function is in the manual that came with the bike, but I've since purchase learned this function is no longer available. Nice bait and switch Specialized. It's in the manual for the Levo R which Specialized just started selling the beginning of 2026, but an Internet search reveals the heart rate option was dropped from the app in January 2024.
I tried using the "smart control" to maximize range. Doesn't work. The app accepts crazy parameters of trip length and altitude gain and remaining battery. It indicates it will only give me 1% of assist. But it just blows thru the battery anyway. Never stops or lightens assist as the percent remaining battery drops below desired setting. There is some type of floor for minimum power it seems the motor won't go below.
125-130 miles is more than i need for my rails to trails trip. But I am thinking of shedding the big battery weight and going for the 600w battery. If everything else remain the same, the lower battery capacity will yield about 90 miles. Still adequate, just not as much reserve on the occasional 75 mile days.
Am I understanding your post, that you are setting the ECO tune to 0/0 via the TCU? True, via the app, no setting below 10/10. My dealer set my ECO tune to 5/10 via their computer interface.. That was the lowest they could do. However, IMO this does not get around the minimum floor for motor power and is the same range as 10/10.
Hi.
That's a pretty incredible range. Could you share a few more details please?
Which tyres are you using and how much of a rider weight do you have when kitted up. You are riding with only the 800W battery, or an extender also?
I've got the Alloy R, and I've swapped the Purgatory tyres for Fasttrack 2.35". I'm about 87KG kitted, and my longest ride so far was 90KM, 730m elevation gain, at 24km/h average and came home with 15% remaining. I was riding at 10/10 and 20/20. Terrain was a type 2 and type 3 gravel. Some sandy bits but not much.
The Fasttrack Tyres have made a notable difference in range, around 10-12% better than the stock Purgatory tyres.
I've set my Eco to be at 0/20, so I'll hopefully give a long ride another go soon, but my expectations are no where near 100 miles. Perhaps 115Km at best.
My bike is modified for gravel and rails to trails riding. I run Schwalbe G One Overland 50mm tires. I also have an XPLR transmission. Tighter gear ratios and 13 speed 9 tooth top gear. Along with a 38T chain ring. Also, all of these tests are on the same paved road loop for consistency. I want to know what's most range for the settings I am comfortable peddling. These results aren't going to be typical for other uses.
I am using the stock 840W battery for all these range tests. I am also taking the battery down to 0% to 10% for these numbers as the battery usage is not linear. The first 20 to 25 miles gets what would be a 140-150 mile range, but the miles with sub 25% remaining battery can go as low as what would be 110.
I am in the process of trying the 0/0 TMU tuning I learned of from garethky's post cited above. Weather and real life has limited my riding this week, but the one ride I did get in looks very promising. I can tell this setting is giving me less assistance than all the rest I tried. Somehow, it is able to bypass the minimum assist that all the others had. Riding my Levo R now is very similar to my Levo SL. This is what I've been trying to achieve, the same level of assist as an SL but now with a much greater range.
Did you buy the Levo or Levo R? Please post a picture or two of your unusual gravel bike build. I assume you have unlocked the 28 mph etc
Levo R. Mentioned in both posts above.
With the right tyres, it's easy to ride unassisted with good speed. I cycled a 40km with my wife on some back roads and farm gravel roads in Cape Town, all unassisted, and I managed to keep up with her on a gravel bike. Ok, she's fairly new to cycling and not very fast, but still.
My fastest was 77km/h on a mild but long downhill.
On flatter roads, the bike isn't slow. Weight mostly penalises the rider on uphills. Flats and down are not much different to riding my 14Kg Stumpy, except for acceleration. And gravity assisted downhills are of course fantastic with the Levo R as the speed picks up very quick. Tyres make a huge difference.
The Fasttrak tyres are very quick and easy to get to 30km/h compared to the stock Purgatory.
Very interesting! Thank you.
If you are willing to share an image of your bike. I'm super curious.
Hi , I'm very new to Specialized and just bought a levo 4 comp alloy .
Coming from a Nukeproof Megawatt I wanted something totaly different, which I felt the levo was . Going into it beeing dead set on buying a avinox bike I kind of changed after actually trying the different bikes .
Yes it looks is somewhat , well . Not good with that downtube . But it rides damn well , and even the base model rode very good compared to more expensive bikes . ( should I say compared to the rather expensive s-works aswell ? )
Btw , with a little local dealer discount the comp alloy is 5700$ .
Because each of the other bikes had something about them I did not like and when paying more than 10k for a bike it should be close to perfect( for me ) . Not with a to low BB , overly flexing frame or to high seat tube .
if you look at spec sheets alone one could easily say it is overpriced still , but maybe there is more to a bike than just the sum of its parts .
If I say the same in mid summer I don't know . But what I do know is that the specialized I could easily sell if there comes a bike that checks all the boxes .
Coming from a Nukeproof Megawatt I wanted something totaly different, which I felt the levo was . Going into it beeing dead set on buying a avinox bike I kind of changed after actually trying the different bikes .
Yes it looks is somewhat , well . Not good with that downtube . But it rides damn well , and even the base model rode very good compared to more expensive bikes . ( should I say compared to the rather expensive s-works aswell ? )
Btw , with a little local dealer discount the comp alloy is 5700$ .
Because each of the other bikes had something about them I did not like and when paying more than 10k for a bike it should be close to perfect( for me ) . Not with a to low BB , overly flexing frame or to high seat tube .
if you look at spec sheets alone one could easily say it is overpriced still , but maybe there is more to a bike than just the sum of its parts .
If I say the same in mid summer I don't know . But what I do know is that the specialized I could easily sell if there comes a bike that checks all the boxes .
When is @Rob Rides EMTB opening a similar thread about Levo R?
Levo R. Mentioned in both posts above.
With the right tyres, it's easy to ride unassisted with good speed. I cycled a 40km with my wife on some back roads and farm gravel roads in Cape Town, all unassisted, and I managed to keep up with her on a gravel bike. Ok, she's fairly new to cycling and not very fast, but still.
My fastest was 77km/h on a mild but long downhill.
On flatter roads, the bike isn't slow. Weight mostly penalises the rider on uphills. Flats and down are not much different to riding my 14Kg Stumpy, except for acceleration. And gravity assisted downhills are of course fantastic with the Levo R as the speed picks up very quick. Tyres make a huge difference.
The Fasttrak tyres are very quick and easy to get to 30km/h compared to the stock Purgatory.
Very interesting! Thank you.
If you are willing to share an image of your bike. I'm super curious.
the hair is growing on my back from seeing those bars
; anyways, everyone likes it different !What fork are you running, what is the travel? I was contemplating to put 36 sl with 140mm on my levo 4 to shave off 1lb of weight and make front end light, but was too afraid of big drop in BB height and more pedal strikes in terrain....
never mind my Q before; your's is levo R, I thought the bike was Levo 4, hence the Q about the 140mm fork for levo 4
My Levo Evo comp, S3, agave grey. Ugly, fat, heavy, blah blah blah.
Came with 852Wh(!) battery made in Japan.
Moved all the stuff I had on my gen3: newman beskar wheels (aluminium), dropper post reverb AXS, XTR brakes, GX and OneUp stem/bar.
Weight is 24kg, with pedals and gravity tyres F/R.
Actually 0,5kg lighter than my gen 3 with 180F smashpot zeb/ 165R vivid coil.
Quiet, powerfull, definately more "jumpy" than coiled gen3.
And Yes, I know amflow, I bought one last year (the original silver one).
Sold it after 3 months of use- that was just a cheap trail bike with overly powerfull engine.
Came with 852Wh(!) battery made in Japan.
Moved all the stuff I had on my gen3: newman beskar wheels (aluminium), dropper post reverb AXS, XTR brakes, GX and OneUp stem/bar.
Weight is 24kg, with pedals and gravity tyres F/R.
Actually 0,5kg lighter than my gen 3 with 180F smashpot zeb/ 165R vivid coil.
Quiet, powerfull, definately more "jumpy" than coiled gen3.
And Yes, I know amflow, I bought one last year (the original silver one).
Sold it after 3 months of use- that was just a cheap trail bike with overly powerfull engine.
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