HappyCamperIan
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A bit of thread wander...but what left you unimpressed?
Atherton S170.E Dyf-E bike coming soon...
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I think I've used chat gpt about once in my life, to create a summary document at work.Goes to show everyone different. I love how the a170 rides. So did reviewers. So do others that own them. Numbers honestly mean very little to me. How it feels when riding makes much more sense. Also, stop using chatgpt
Agreed on different tastes, geo and kinematic preferences are also highly terrain dependent.
What I like down in arizona is different than what works best in BC.
And at the end of the day, all modern bikes are good, it's only when compared to one another directly that differences become notable.
slickrock
Well-known member
Yeah, I wonder. I just couldn't see Atherton going with a sewage pipe downtube with the existing battery form factor being soft-squared. And I couldn't see Atherton going off their own Rotwild style and make their own battery and form factor. This new battery is perfectly round and not hot-swappable, as if tailor made for Atherton. The battery could easily been 800wh if was square like the existing battery configs.
The disappointment here is with Avinox in that there seems to be no hot-swappable high-density backwards compatible option here, let alone a backwards-compatible one.
It feels far heavier than they suggest. I haven't weighed it, but compared to a yeti lte it felt heavier, even though it has a smaller battery. Felt harder work in tighter sections. Front especially feels heavy. Just expected more. I've ridden a Whyte kado that felt better, again with a bigger battery
I have been out on my new AMflow Pro today for its first ride, not had chance to tweak the settings yet. After 17 miles of riding in mostly Turbo and using boost mode I used 94% of the new 700w batt. Hopefully it will improve when set up more efficiently. The bike is so fast though2900m of vert, 700wh battery? Yeah, maybe if you were Tom Pidcock
Either that or you’re turning it down to 40nm & 300w and having a miserable experience.
What do you mean by 'no hot-swappable high-density backwardscompatible option'? There isn't old high density batteries is there? From what I've seen, they have said you can't trail side swap, but it seems quite possible
Just got back from work and watched a few videos, I think it looks great, really like the industrial machined look. I get it's not to everyone's taste but on Robs video when it's next to him it looks good from pretty much every angle. It reminds me of my old Liteville.
I'm still not sure if it's not too much bike for me. I don't race any more but I do intend to do Ard Rock and a few more events for fun this year so it will get a bit of a run out. I'm not going to pretend to understand the subtleties of F/R ratio but I did just have a quick look at geo. Every bike I've owned / tried and liked has been around 1.86 to 1.9. Vala, Hightower, Relay, 916.
The size 8 I've ordered is really similar to my current Vala Reach 477vs 475, Stack 644 vs 647, W/B 1269 vs 1273, c/stay 444 vs 440. Are people saying it's a bit more trail geo than Enduro? Not sure what the issue is witht he F/R ratio being 1.9, think I'll just get on and give it a go before I pass judgement.
I'm still not sure if it's not too much bike for me. I don't race any more but I do intend to do Ard Rock and a few more events for fun this year so it will get a bit of a run out. I'm not going to pretend to understand the subtleties of F/R ratio but I did just have a quick look at geo. Every bike I've owned / tried and liked has been around 1.86 to 1.9. Vala, Hightower, Relay, 916.
The size 8 I've ordered is really similar to my current Vala Reach 477vs 475, Stack 644 vs 647, W/B 1269 vs 1273, c/stay 444 vs 440. Are people saying it's a bit more trail geo than Enduro? Not sure what the issue is witht he F/R ratio being 1.9, think I'll just get on and give it a go before I pass judgement.
HappyCamperIan
Member
Furry muff, thanks for taking the time to reply.
Hopefully you won't be disappointed with your Atherton when it arrives.
slickrock
Well-known member
Exactly. My point being that Avinox did not come out with 600/800 rectangular batteries with the new cells.
They still offer the existing 600/800 batteries in same form factor, but they don't have the new cells, so essentially they are the same original batteries. Based, on what Rob mentioned about Crestline, it looks as if with that bike you can swap any of the the 3 internal battery choices (600, 700, 800), but need to better understand how the round form factor of the 700 would work in the rectangular tube of the Crestline (perhaps some additional mounting scaffolding required). The Magamo use only the 800 internal, but it's not clear if other brands can readily use the round 700 with bikes designed for rectangular batteries or even if the 700 can be used with the original M1.
slickrock
Well-known member
It's going to be hard trying to best the LTE with it's six-bar Switchfinity against a now patent-expired DW4.
New batteries for DJI are coming later this year with the new cells.....
ericandrew
New Member
There is no right or wrong here….
But not sure this bike is aimed at flatter corners…
It’s aimed at the steeps
That suits me quite well….
I might not need to swap out the bars for high rise strait away
Overall I think it looks a good package, for sure won’t suit everyone but it doesn’t have too, nor should it.
If it was the s150e you’d expect it to be more middle of the road.
If your after the biggest possible range, again not going to be the best choice
The proof will be in the riding I for one hope it rides as well as it looks and am pretty happy with the stack and other geo numbers on paper at least
When I say flatter corners, I mean unsupported corners. Not actually on flat ground.
slickrock
Well-known member
This kinda goes without say. That its not available now is the disappointment.
It was never on the cards for now. Always been late this year they come in.The interesting bit is will they be able to be fitted to existing bikes. The 900+wh version etc.
They really need an extender though. Seems very odd they wont do one
On the final bikes it will run from main bike battery, yes. I checked this when I had the bike.
Exactly that. Anyone who ordered or looked at the Atherton and expected it to be a cooler Amflow was barking up the wrong tree, it's an Enduro/big hitter, it's designed for steep, techy insanity. If you want a lightweight, long-range trail Eeeb, then buy one of them, there's loads about.There is no right or wrong here….
But not sure this bike is aimed at flatter corners…
It’s aimed at the steeps
That suits me quite well….
I might not need to swap out the bars for high rise strait away
Overall I think it looks a good package, for sure won’t suit everyone but it doesn’t have too, nor should it.
If it was the s150e you’d expect it to be more middle of the road.
If your after the biggest possible range, again not going to be the best choice
The proof will be in the riding I for one hope it rides as well as it looks and am pretty happy with the stack and other geo numbers on paper at least
Well, as much as I wanted an atherton, delays crept in. I'm still not 100% sold on DJI. New motor reliability etc. but I needed a bike for two bike holidays and it looks like it wouldnt come in time. Mate has managed to source a yeti lte. Not a bad second choice
I think the new Atherton bike looks pretty nice 
. The only thing I’d say is; if an authorized service provider are the only people who can remove the battery during the warranty period why did they make it swappable in the first place? The protrusion in the front (for battery removal) is the only area of the bike that looks odd.
. The only thing I’d say is; if an authorized service provider are the only people who can remove the battery during the warranty period why did they make it swappable in the first place? The protrusion in the front (for battery removal) is the only area of the bike that looks odd.Madmountainman
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Rob might remember, but i've been sat on the fence for the last few years as I've been somewhat limited on bike choice due to being a 1.98m tall, bigger unit than average. 
I'm still riding analogue, having an XXL Santa Cruz Megatower V1 and it's been the most comfortable and fastest bike - downhill - I've owned.
At 60, my legs are now struggling with the ups, especially oop North in Yorksha!
I've had single pivots, horst links and vpp, with the four bar linkage being the worst bike I've ever owned - as regards bearing pivot longevity - so my choice of frame-set comes down to available size/geometry, DW or single pivot suspension and frame strength before I even consider motor manufacturer and battery size.
With that in mind, I've had my eye on Mondraker (seat tube insertion issues), Pivot (expensive and super-boost wheel issues) and Atherton (range concerns), but have also looked long and hard at Nicolai (four bar suspension, heavy and expensive), Santa Cruz (no more VPP), Specialized (appears slow, has four bar suspension, expensive and questionable looks) and, just recently the new Shuvl from Joe at Starling (divisive looks for some).
With the latter not having any confirmed geometry numbers, as yet, I'm unable to ascertain whether the XL will fit and a likelihood release date of around the end of the year with the Bosch motor, leaving me with at least another year of waiting and seeing how the Shuvl develops, I've had to make the decision to bite the bullet and order my first ever e-mtb.
The Atherton is the first bike that's come to the market with as close to a perfect specification to suit my needs. I wanted Rockshox suspension, it has that. I needed geo as close to my Megatower as possible, it's got that. I wanted DT Swiss wheels, well... the Mavic's are basically the same thing. I needed a long dropper, it's got that. I needed something burly - as I've found my physical size places a lot more stress on the frame and any trail biased bike has proven too flexy and overwhelmed when I've ridden it, so frame stiffness is key for good handling with me. Lighter riders may well find an enduro bike too stiff, not reactive enough, poppy enough and even unlively, but when you're at the taller/heavier end of the scale, you make any frame flex and the ride feel I expericence is probably similar to a 70-80kg rider on, say, the Amflow.
Would I have preferred a larger and removable battery? Yes, but there's no single, 'one bike fits all' solution out there, so I've gone with the closest bike that fits my needs at this moment in time.
I've read that some testers say it's uncomfortable for big rides, being better suited to shuttles and riding downhill, but my Megatower was basically built for the same - albeit with a shuttle service at the bike park - and it's been the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden and it's done Ard Rock, FOD and big Yorksha days out with aplomb. So I'm thinking the Atherton should do everything the Megatower does, but with the little extra help I'm looking for. I'm not into blasting my way around the whole ride in Turbo, I just need some extra help on the ups, with little extra assistance required on my local flowy trails and downs and the potential for 30+ miles and 5000' of climbing.
Pricewise, when compared to the new Pivot Amp'd - which also gives you DW link suspension - the mid-spec models from both companies differ in price to the tune of £3k for basically the same thing, so it's a bit of a no brainer.
As I said earlier, I do really like Joe's prototype Shuvl and I wish it was both ready for market now and had the geo in XL to suit me, but I can't really wait another year or two on a maybe. That said, if the Shuvl comes to market, as promised, with a choice of motors, battery sizes and a frame only option with geo that suits someone my size, I can either have two e-mtb's, or sell the Atherton, as it looks like a really robust piece of kit, has the all important single pivot and, just like Atherton, is British and made form easily recyclable aluminium.
I'm still riding analogue, having an XXL Santa Cruz Megatower V1 and it's been the most comfortable and fastest bike - downhill - I've owned.
At 60, my legs are now struggling with the ups, especially oop North in Yorksha!
I've had single pivots, horst links and vpp, with the four bar linkage being the worst bike I've ever owned - as regards bearing pivot longevity - so my choice of frame-set comes down to available size/geometry, DW or single pivot suspension and frame strength before I even consider motor manufacturer and battery size.
With that in mind, I've had my eye on Mondraker (seat tube insertion issues), Pivot (expensive and super-boost wheel issues) and Atherton (range concerns), but have also looked long and hard at Nicolai (four bar suspension, heavy and expensive), Santa Cruz (no more VPP), Specialized (appears slow, has four bar suspension, expensive and questionable looks) and, just recently the new Shuvl from Joe at Starling (divisive looks for some).
With the latter not having any confirmed geometry numbers, as yet, I'm unable to ascertain whether the XL will fit and a likelihood release date of around the end of the year with the Bosch motor, leaving me with at least another year of waiting and seeing how the Shuvl develops, I've had to make the decision to bite the bullet and order my first ever e-mtb.
The Atherton is the first bike that's come to the market with as close to a perfect specification to suit my needs. I wanted Rockshox suspension, it has that. I needed geo as close to my Megatower as possible, it's got that. I wanted DT Swiss wheels, well... the Mavic's are basically the same thing. I needed a long dropper, it's got that. I needed something burly - as I've found my physical size places a lot more stress on the frame and any trail biased bike has proven too flexy and overwhelmed when I've ridden it, so frame stiffness is key for good handling with me. Lighter riders may well find an enduro bike too stiff, not reactive enough, poppy enough and even unlively, but when you're at the taller/heavier end of the scale, you make any frame flex and the ride feel I expericence is probably similar to a 70-80kg rider on, say, the Amflow.
Would I have preferred a larger and removable battery? Yes, but there's no single, 'one bike fits all' solution out there, so I've gone with the closest bike that fits my needs at this moment in time.
I've read that some testers say it's uncomfortable for big rides, being better suited to shuttles and riding downhill, but my Megatower was basically built for the same - albeit with a shuttle service at the bike park - and it's been the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden and it's done Ard Rock, FOD and big Yorksha days out with aplomb. So I'm thinking the Atherton should do everything the Megatower does, but with the little extra help I'm looking for. I'm not into blasting my way around the whole ride in Turbo, I just need some extra help on the ups, with little extra assistance required on my local flowy trails and downs and the potential for 30+ miles and 5000' of climbing.
Pricewise, when compared to the new Pivot Amp'd - which also gives you DW link suspension - the mid-spec models from both companies differ in price to the tune of £3k for basically the same thing, so it's a bit of a no brainer.
As I said earlier, I do really like Joe's prototype Shuvl and I wish it was both ready for market now and had the geo in XL to suit me, but I can't really wait another year or two on a maybe. That said, if the Shuvl comes to market, as promised, with a choice of motors, battery sizes and a frame only option with geo that suits someone my size, I can either have two e-mtb's, or sell the Atherton, as it looks like a really robust piece of kit, has the all important single pivot and, just like Atherton, is British and made form easily recyclable aluminium.
I'm not sure anyone was suggesting it is a trail bike, or was intended to be. I've no love for stumpjumper's or their knock offs, personally.
But the generality that a short rear center, long front center bike equates to a "big hitter", super steep terrain bike is a dated concept.
Indeed, I tried an A170 last year at sunpeaks on "smitty's steeps", "insanity one", and a few other trails that make dyfi look like a pump track.
Cliff notes were that the suspension worked very well for a dw link layout, they nailed the shock tune. The long front center, short rear center, lent itself well to technical jumping and slower chunk/step drops. Felt confident at slower speeds picking your way down things.
High speed handling was sketchy in the drier, loose over hardpack conditions. Didn't make traction in corners, unless you forced it to. Fast tight stuff was insecure, it required dramatic weight shifts fore/aft that one often didn't have time for. I'd size down with one to make this easier, if I were purchasing one. But the shorter wheelbase would also effect high speed stability.
The gentleman I swapped bikes with commented that the bike worked great around home (UK), but would not be bringing it back to BC after riding a dreadnought v2, and a rental SC v10. Said it wasn't worth the trouble of flying with it.
So "big hitter" can be a bit subjective, based on terrain, and average speeds over said terrain.
It seems end of may for 1st batch at the earliest. Some batch one will be June
I’m finding the US dollar pricing site isn’t working.
That’s later than what I was told. I was told first run would be done by first week May. I am in first 20 bikes. If anyone I have not got my bike by end of first week may I will cancel. I need another bike to take to Spain with me then. I will just buy another AMflow pro to take with me, the bike is so good. I am running the slacker set up now it feels very stable but to responds well on the back end.
I was told by Atherton they aren't selling to the US because they don't have after purchase service network set up in the US. Maybe next year is what I was told.
I'm mid 20s in the queue and was told they will confirm next week but likely early May.
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