Atherton S170.E Dyf-E bike coming soon...

[dirt-diggler]

Apart from the ugly as sin head tube block, the mess of cables around the seat tube / motor & slightly wonky shock, yeah it looks great. Kinda like a slightly middle age podgy S170

Doesn't everyone only assess a bikes looks by it's side profile? Or just me

 

[still20]

Thanks chaps...my Bullit is still lighter, phew <wipes away the nervous sweat from his brow>

With smaller battery and Carbon wheels

 

[Ribinrobin]

With smaller battery and Carbon wheels

and an amflow is then lighter than his vala it goes on and on

 

[DaveGo]

Integration of the motor is not so nice like at the mondraker. Looks a little fatty, even more then Bosch.

 

[zizajaun]

I feel like the motor/bb area is

Yeah there's definitely more refined looking Avinox bikes out there. I guess it might appeal to the sort of person a Nicolai would appeal to.

I have a Nicolai and quite like the look of the Atherton, but I don't care that much about aesthetics anyway.

The problem with the Atherton, and almost all other Avinox-powered bikes, is that the battery isn't removable. I'm 110kg and mostly self-shuttle enduro trails and bike parks, so a 700 Wh battery would last under 2 hours. Even with the "fast" charger, it takes nearly 2 hours to get a full charge, so in a typical ~8 hour riding day I'd be spending about half the time waiting around for it to charge.

As far as I can tell, there are only three Avinox-powered bikes with removable batteries: the new Amflow PR, the Rotwild R.EX, and the Crestline RS 181. Only the latter is suited to gravity use, and it's a great bike in many ways (adjustable geo, dual crown-approved, available as a frameset). But the reach (and dropper insertion) is really short relative to seat tube, so I can't get the size I want.

I really hope that more companies make a proper gravity frameset with the M2S and a removable battery. Or that Avinox increases the charging speed to ~20 A, which should be perfectly doable.

 

[Fangs2k]

I love the fact that the frame is made in Wales, but somehow it doesn’t look as compelling as some of the other new e-mtbs that have recently launched with whatever motor.

I’m sure it’ll sell out though, such is their reputation.

 

[Highland Wheels]

I have a Nicolai and quite like the look of the Atherton, but I don't care that much about aesthetics anyway.

The problem with the Atherton, and almost all other Avinox-powered bikes, is that the battery isn't removable. I'm 110kg and mostly self-shuttle enduro trails and bike parks, so a 700 Wh battery would last under 2 hours. Even with the "fast" charger, it takes nearly 2 hours to get a full charge, so in a typical ~8 hour riding day I'd be spending about half the time waiting around for it to charge.

As far as I can tell, there are only three Avinox-powered bikes with removable batteries: the new Amflow PR, the Rotwild R.EX, and the Crestline RS 181. Only the latter is suited to gravity use, and it's a great bike in many ways (adjustable geo, dual crown-approved, available as a frameset). But the reach (and dropper insertion) is really short relative to seat tube, so I can't get the size I want.

I really hope more companies make a proper gravity frameset with the M2S and a removable battery.

What sorta milage and vert do you tend to do on these 8hr days?

 

[mintsauce]

The Pinkbike article says that dropping the motor isn't required for battery removal. Even though this isn't the same as a "hot swappable" battery, it'll still be highly advantageous for some riders. Can you confirm this, @Rob Rides EMTB ?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

The Pinkbike article says that dropping the motor isn't required for battery removal. Even though this isn't the same as a "hot swappable" battery, it'll still be highly advantageous for some riders. Can you confirm this, @Rob Rides EMTB ?

I didn’t check. I’ll definitely check when I get a proper bike test.

 

[zizajaun]

What sorta milage and vert do you tend to do on these 8hr days?

Looking at my notes from demo rides on Bosch-powered bikes and my DIY ebike: With a 600 Wh battery, I get about 600 metres of vert in 90 min. That's 400 Wh and 400 m per hour. Assuming a 1h break for lunch, I'd be using 7*400 = 2800 Wh per day, covering 2800 m of elevation. That would require 2800/700 = 4 full 700 Wh batteries, so 3 recharges, taking nearly 6 hours - clearly not feasible in one day. If the battery was removable, I could buy a spare and get a full charge in roughly the amount of time it takes to deplete the other one, essentially giving me infinite range.

 

[zizajaun]

The Pinkbike article says that dropping the motor isn't required for battery removal. Even though this isn't the same as a "hot swappable" battery, it'll still be highly advantageous for some riders. Can you confirm this, @Rob Rides EMTB ?

Atherton website says the battery can't be charged off-bike anyway. I wonder if there's a workaround for that?

 

[mooby77]

Atherton website says the battery can't be charged off-bike anyway. I wonder if there's a workaround for that?
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its missed mark for me looks clunky but i wasnt a fan of the normal athertons

new review

New Atherton S.170E on test: an eMTB on Atherton terms

Atherton S.170E on test: 180/170 mm travel, Avinox M2S motor and DW suspension. A no-compromise eMTB with racing DNA.

enduro-mtb.com

 

[ImSundee]

Looks like battery should be removable without a motor drop, will depend on wiring.

hopefully that cover is a little better that the 3d printed one on these units.

 

[RoJo]

I have a Nicolai and quite like the look of the Atherton, but I don't care that much about aesthetics anyway.

The problem with the Atherton, and almost all other Avinox-powered bikes, is that the battery isn't removable. I'm 110kg and mostly self-shuttle enduro trails and bike parks, so a 700 Wh battery would last under 2 hours. Even with the "fast" charger, it takes nearly 2 hours to get a full charge, so in a typical ~8 hour riding day I'd be spending about half the time waiting around for it to charge.

As far as I can tell, there are only three Avinox-powered bikes with removable batteries: the new Amflow PR, the Rotwild R.EX, and the Crestline RS 181. Only the latter is suited to gravity use, and it's a great bike in many ways (adjustable geo, dual crown-approved, available as a frameset). But the reach (and dropper insertion) is really short relative to seat tube, so I can't get the size I want.

I really hope that more companies make a proper gravity frameset with the M2S and a removable battery. Or that Avinox increases the charging speed to ~20 A, which should be perfectly doable.

Yep, completely agree. Misses the mark as a DH shuttle bike if you can't swap the battery!

 

[2WHLFUN]

Seems like the round battery was made just for them!

 

[HappyCamperIan]

With smaller battery and Carbon wheels

Yeah smaller battery, but then you get into motor efficiency...so many nuances to consider which is why the baseline stats like weight are important, to me at least. Every eeb is a compromise of so many factors, weight and range only being two, you just have decide which set up is best suited to your own requirements.

I don't have carbon rims, and my M Bullit weighs a whisker under 22kgs...the 600W battery works really well for my 70 odd kg weight, which means the smaller battery isn't a massive issue, not being well....massive

 

[HappyCamperIan]

and an amflow is then lighter than his vala it goes on and on

I've got a Bullit not a Vala...not sure why anyone would chose an Amflow over a Bullit or a Vala though... <chucks grenade and runs away runs away>

 

[ntm95]

That is dramatically aesthetically unpleasing.
Combined with the 1.9 f/r ratio in a size large, and I'd say they're cooked. Hard pass.

 

[zizajaun]

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Looks like battery should be removable without a motor drop, will depend on wiring.

hopefully that cover is a little better that the 3d printed one on these units.

I looked into it a bit more. Removal is only a 5 minute job but isn't recommended for trailside swaps, for a few reasons: (1) it invalidates the Avinox warranty unless done by a bike shop; (2) the battery can't be charged off the bike (or so Atherton claims; I'm skeptical but can't find concrete info); and probably (3) it would potentially expose the internals to damage, e.g. because it would involve disconnecting cables that are not designed for frequent disconnection, and could introduce contaminants like dirt and moisture.

 

[zizajaun]

Yeah smaller battery, but then you get into motor efficiency...so many nuances to consider which is why the baseline stats like weight are important, to me at least. Every eeb is a compromise of so many factors, weight and range only being two, you just have decide which set up is best suited to your own requirements.

I don't have carbon rims, and my M Bullit weighs a whisker under 22kgs...the 600W battery works really well for my 70 odd kg weight, which means the smaller battery isn't a massive issue, not being well....massive

I demoed a Bullit at Forest of Dean and the battery lasted about 90 minutes, and the bike still felt pretty sluggish, both in terms of speed and handling.

 

[HappyCamperIan]

I demoed a Bullit at Forest of Dean and the battery lasted about 90 minutes, and the bike still felt pretty sluggish, both in terms of speed and handling.

I demoed a Bullit at Forest of Dean and the battery lasted about 90 minutes, and the bike still felt pretty sluggish, both in terms of speed and handling.

Errr OK, that's nice.

 

[still20]

Yeah smaller battery, but then you get into motor efficiency...so many nuances to consider which is why the baseline stats like weight are important, to me at least. Every eeb is a compromise of so many factors, weight and range only being two, you just have decide which set up is best suited to your own requirements.

I don't have carbon rims, and my M Bullit weighs a whisker under 22kgs...the 600W battery works really well for my 70 odd kg weight, which means the smaller battery isn't a massive issue, not being well....massive

TBF the Bullit was on my short list

 

[Endorium]

and an amflow is then lighter than his vala it goes on and on

Amflow have not aged well. Wheels like cheese and more than a few frames cracking. It's a trail bike as well. This is a big Enduro bike.

 

[Endorium]

TBF the Bullit was on my short list

I have a bullit on loan till my Atherton comes. Not been impressed. Especially for the money. Santa Cruz over the last few years haven't released anything ground breaking or top of the class

 

[Endorium]

That is dramatically aesthetically unpleasing.
Combined with the 1.9 f/r ratio in a size large, and I'd say they're cooked. Hard pass.

Each to their own. I love it and know several going to buy one now they have seen it. All agreeing it looks great

 

[irie]

That is dramatically aesthetically unpleasing.

Disagree with you.

It's fugly.

 

[ntm95]

Each to their own. I love it and know several going to buy one now they have seen it. All agreeing it looks great

I could see how the looks might grow on a person. Heck, even oranges have their moments and angles where they're not too bad. Every bike has it's demographic.
Higher stack with a 1.9 ratio is certainly a choice though. I wonder if that was a conscious decision to offset battery weight up front, or just old school racers gravitating to familiar geo ?

 

[Endorium]

I could see how the looks might grow on a person. Heck, even oranges have their moments and angles where they're not too bad. Every bike has it's demographic.
Higher stack with a 1.9 ratio is certainly a choice though. I wonder if that was a conscious decision to offset battery weight up front, or just old school racers gravitating to familiar geo ?

Well, I wouldn't buy a bike without a high stack. Run 50mm riser on the DH bike. 1.9 ratio is a number that means nothing. Most companies don't even publish it. I rode a lot of different bikes, it's how it rides. Numbers on their own, especially just the ratio, don't mean much (unless it's far off wayward). All the current athertons have been very well received by riders, I don't expect that to change

 

[ntm95]

Well, I wouldn't buy a bike without a high stack. Run 50mm riser on the DH bike. 1.9 ratio is a number that means nothing. Most companies don't even publish it. I rode a lot of different bikes, it's how it rides. Numbers on their own, especially just the ratio, don't mean much (unless it's far off wayward). All the current athertons have been very well received by riders, I don't expect that to change

A higher stack on a rear biased ratio bike pushes the rider's weight even further rearward. This typically manifests as a lack of front end traction, particularly in flatter, unsupported corners. Lower stacks and longer reach is typical on short rear bikes, as you end up needing to ride the front end aggressively to make it work well. The e170 geo sort of goes against that, perhaps due to the extra battery weight ?
All manufactures publish the f/r ratios by providing chainstay and wheelbase dimensions.
I too have rode a great many bikes, it absolutely matters, predictably so. I have also ridden an a170, and it was not without the associated foibles of a higher f/r ratio.
Ones mileage might vary in the smaller sizes.

 

[Endorium]

A higher stack on a rear biased ratio bike pushes the rider's weight even further rearward. This typically manifests as a lack of front end traction, particularly in flatter, unsupported corners. Lower stacks and longer reach is typical on short rear bikes, as you end up needing to ride the front end aggressively to make it work well. The e170 geo sort of goes against that, perhaps due to the extra battery weight ?
All manufactures publish the f/r ratios by providing chainstay and wheelbase dimensions.
I too have rode a great many bikes, it absolutely matters, predictably so. I have also ridden an a170, and it was not without the associated foibles of a higher f/r ratio.
Ones mileage might vary in the smaller sizes.

Goes to show everyone different. I love how the a170 rides. So did reviewers. So do others that own them. Numbers honestly mean very little to me. How it feels when riding makes much more sense. Also, stop using chatgpt