Article Video: Teewing Flux 180mm, high-pivot, Avinox EMTB first look and ride

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slickrock said:
The whole point of having complete and accurate geometry figures in all modes, as well as complete kinematics graphs is that it informs the purchasing decision a priori, especially when comparing to other bikes of similar ilk. Trying different configurations is a post hoc purchase exercise, shutting down other counterfactual bike choices, and possibly better ones at that.
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There is a video posted on Page 7 where the kinematics and suspension travel have been analysed. Leverage Ratio, Axel Path, Centre of Gravity and Anti-Squat have been roughly estimated. I watched it fully translated to English. So have you.

I am happy with the estimated kinematics, for what I'm looking for in a downhill rig. There will be some slight adjustments with the flip chips and wheel configuration.

I just need stock to be delivered in a reasonable timeframe, and access to support if there are any teething issues. It's a Teewing. They aren't catering to the "Detailed Kinematic" demographic. Teewing is proving to be a quality Avinox powered EMTB, but it's built to a price. And clearly part of the compromise, is the lack of details. Which is something very common when purchasing from newly formed Chinese manufacturers.

But the upside is you quite often get a real gem of a product, for a fraction of the price of competitors.
 
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Teewing just posted this to Facebook:

Teewing Flux One: mullet or 29”/29”?

Technical analysis of usage
The Teewing Flux One is an e-enduro designed around a high-pivot suspension with idler pulley and DJI Avinox assistance system.
The frame allows for two rear wheel settings by flip-chip: mullet (29/27.5) or full 29”. This flexibility is no minor detail: it changes the bike dynamics and the type of user it favors.
In addition, the rear wheel change slightly modifies the kinematics: 178mm of tread with 27.5” and ~170mm with 29”, keeping the geometry within stable parameters for aggressive enduro.

Below is a summary of which rider profile fits each configuration best.
Mullet setup (29” front / 27.5” back)

Mullet setup (29” front / 27.5” back)
User Profile: Aggressive rider who prioritizes maneuverability and dynamic driving.
Top perks:
Greater agility in closed curves: the smaller rear wheel reduces the dynamic radius of turning.
Easiness to move the bike on jumps and support changes.
Larger rear mileage ( os178 mm), which favours behavior in bikeparks and very broken descents.
Most "playable" bike sensation.
In Flux One this setup makes sense because:
the high-pivot already brings stability, so the small wheel compensates for that stability with more reactivity.
many modern enduro riders prefer a bike that allows you to rotate quickly in curves and pears.

Limitations:
lower stability at high speed
lower traction low max torque engine.
In practical terms, it is the ideal configuration for:
bikeparks
very technical and twisted trails
riders con estilo agresivo o “freeride”.

Full setup 29” (29”/29”)
User profile: rider who prioritizes stability, speed and traction.
Top perks:
Greater directional stability, especially in rapid descents.
Improved ability to overcome obstacles, due to lower angle of attack from the big wheel.
More traction in technical climbs, somewhat relevant with the high torque of the Avinox system.
More efficient driving on broken ground.
On a heavy e-MTB (~23 kg) these advantages are amplified because:
system mass favors stability
the engine compensates for the slight increase inertia of the big wheel.
That's why the 29/29 settings fit particularly well with:
riders who prioritize speed in long descents
alpine endurance or very broken terrain
users looking for maximum traction in technical climbs.

Limitations:
less agility in tight corners
Slightly less "playful" behavior.

Conclusion

In the Teewing Flux One it will be a success because both configurations make sense as the frame is designed to support them without overly altering the cinematic.
The choice depends mainly on the driving style:

Mullet (29/27.5)
aggressive driving
twisted trails
bikepark and jumps
riders looking for agility.

Full 29 (29/29)
stability and speed
very broken ground
max traction with avinox engine
long and fast descents.

From an engineering perspective of the full-motor + high-pivot + mass e-MTB system, the 29/29 configuration is usually the most efficient and stable, while the mullet maximizes maneuverability.

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Astro66 said:
There is a video posted on Page 7 where the kinematics and suspension travel have been analysed. Leverage Ratio, Axel Path, Centre of Gravity and Anti-Squat have been roughly estimated. I watched it fully translated to English. So have you.

I am happy with the estimated kinematics, for what I'm looking for in a downhill rig. There will be some slight adjustments with the flip chips and wheel configuration.

I just need stock to be delivered in a reasonable timeframe, and access to support if there are any teething issues. It's a Teewing. They aren't catering to the "Detailed Kinematic" demographic. Teewing is proving to be a quality Avinox powered EMTB, but it's built to a price. And clearly part of the compromise, is the lack of details. Which is something very common when purchasing from newly formed Chinese manufacturers.

But the upside is you quite often get a real gem of a product, for a fraction of the price of competitors.
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Yeah, I saw that video and had the same issue. The analysis was taken off a photo (instead of the actual bike), and based on his images there were multiple swing arm settings, but only worked off of one configuration, whose both flip-chip settings were not clear. It's an interesting data point for sure, but a healthy dose of uncertainty is still there.

I agree that the Teewing is marketing for value hunters, and I'm impressed these US prices reinforce this stance, especially with all this Administration's mercurial reciprocal tariffs to deal with. Of course there's the "you get what you pay for" mantra to consider, but a diamond in the rough is still a diamond, but only if it's really a diamond. I'm just looking for a semblance of a GIA certification if the form of clear geos and kinematics.

It wouldn't be hard at all for Tweewing to publish accurate geo/kinematics, especially for influencers to talk these things up and help sales. The Rogue is made in China (as are a lot of more popular frames and brands), but at least Velduro has published the bikes' kinematics since the outset, most likely because they were very involved with the bikes design evolution. But without this datapoint, it's not clear if Teewing has been carefully brewing the bike's design, or simply slapping on and idler and some flip-chips and get the bike out the door with limited testing. Hopefully, when you get your bike and put it through its paces, we will know one way or the other. At that price, I hope it's really one way rather than the other.
 
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Whilst we all await the release of this bike thought id put up some nice pics of the frames from the Drip Website.

Think I'll go black and gold :)
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Man, the price of the frameset is pretty appealing. Crazy to think Spesh get so much more money for their heavier battery/motor and frame. There’s not much to compete against when it’s just a frame/battery/motor and they’re somehow asking over $2k more, wild.

Really think this will be my next bike. Just waiting to see if it’s going to have the existing motor or whatever is next from Avinox before pulling the trigger. Also debating whether to just buy as a frameset and build it myself or have them do a custom build. I really enjoy building it myself, but if they can get the same components for less I may just do the whole build through them.

Edit: Wish we had some better color options too, not loving that blue. I saw they have the custom option but I’m so indecisive when given the option to pick… Just give me something that looks good!
 
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xtraman122 said:
Really think this will be my next bike. Just waiting to see if it’s going to have the existing motor or whatever is next from Avinox before pulling the trigger.
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Youd assume it would be released by now if it had the current motor, think its a safe bet it'll run the update :)
 
B Rabbit said:
Youd assume it would be released by now if it had the current motor, think its a safe bet it'll run the update :)
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That’s my expectation as well, just want to be sure and see what’s new with it all before buying.
 
HandsomeDanNZ said:
$10k isn't bad for a new model!
What are the specs (before you get stuck in and change everything).
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High Pivot Configuration
Fox 38 Performance forks. 180mm travel
FOX Performance Float X LSR, LV EVOL Shock. 178mm travel.
SRAM 90 T-Type transmission, that I will get the upgrade kit to convert to Electronic like rob did to his Crestline. This will give me the Coastshifting I so love.
SRAM Maven Brakes
Mullet Configuration, with DD Casing Tyres. 29 Assegai Front. 27.5 DHR2 rear.
Only 22.9kgs.

Should be a freight train going downhill. Obviously it will need some Astro bling.

I'm feeling in touch with my feminine side on this one and will be adding Lavender Accessories and Graphics. This includes Stem, Wheel Rims, Hubs, Spokes, pedals, chainring and grips. On the graphics side, I'll be getting Lavender Fork and Shock Decals, as well as the Bike Decals.

She will be very beautiful and her name will be Lilly, after the Lavender Lilly that I'm basing her graphics on. :giggle:

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Future changes :

Maybe a Fox X2 shock. Maybe a RockShox Vivid Ultimate Coil.
And possibly a Rockshox Zeb Ultimate fork.

But I think the existing components Outbike me. Not sure I have the talent at my age to get any additional advantage from more suspension upgrades. So I will run the existing suspension for quite a while.

BTW. It's my 60th today ...... :cool:
 
There was a special on the S1000 T-Type derailleur and Pod on AliExpress. So I just ordered it as well. That's the Electronic Transmission sorted. I just need to get the SRAM power cable. And they are bloody expensive. Like $180.

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The pricing in Australia has come a bit rich IMO, still better then other frame only options out there, but considering the launch Turbo force full bike was $8k, I was hoping for better then the $7k for a frame set. Seems a bit steep.
Pushys can offer a 20% deposit, but only with a 2 week cooling off period. Not sure what to do, might have some beers and go from there. Delivery mid May.
 
Astro66 said:
High Pivot Configuration
Fox 38 Performance forks. 180mm travel
FOX Performance Float X LSR, LV EVOL Shock. 178mm travel.
SRAM 90 T-Type transmission, that I will get the upgrade kit to convert to Electronic like rob did to his Crestline. This will give me the Coastshifting I so love.
SRAM Maven Brakes
Mullet Configuration, with DD Casing Tyres. 29 Assegai Front. 27.5 DHR2 rear.
Only 22.9kgs.

Should be a freight train going downhill. Obviously it will need some Astro bling.

I'm feeling in touch with my feminine side on this one and will be adding Lavender Accessories and Graphics. This includes Stem, Wheel Rims, Hubs, Spokes, pedals, chainring and grips. On the graphics side, I'll be getting Lavender Fork and Shock Decals, as well as the Bike Decals.

She will be very beautiful and her name will be Lilly, after the Lavender Lilly that I'm basing her graphics on. :giggle:

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Future changes :

Maybe a Fox X2 shock. Maybe a RockShox Vivid Ultimate Coil.
And possibly a Rockshox Zeb Ultimate fork.

But I think the existing components Outbike me. Not sure I have the talent at my age to get any additional advantage from more suspension upgrades. So I will run the existing suspension for quite a while.

BTW. It's my 60th today ...... :cool:
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Happy birthday, my good man!
 
I was hoping to get the full bike for AUD$9k. Coming in at AUD$10K, is not the end of the world for me. When you compare it to other Avinox Enduros. It's still the best value.

If you compare it to the Base model Amflow PL carbon. It's similar price, with more travel and much better suspension and transmission specs. So I really don't see anyone beating the value.

The Flux at AUD$7K for the frame and X2 shock. It's certainly much cheaper than the Velduro. Which was AUD$9k for the frame and X2. And the Flux doesn't have the shock restrictions of the Velduro.

If I had kept my order for the Velduro frame. I certainly wouldn't have had a built bike for under AUD$16K. Where I shouldn't spend more than AUD$12K on the Flux, to get the bike where I want it.
 
Astro66 said:
If you compare it to the Base model Amflow PL carbon. It's similar price, with more travel and much better suspension and transmission specs. So I really don't see anyone beating the value.
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Yeah, thats where I'm at, do I wish it was better value? yes. Will anyone offer a better value option? Probably not. And I dont plan on running the X2 so could always recoup some cost and sell it.
I'd probably 100% jump on it now if they had a better refund policy, similar to Velduro.
 
B Rabbit said:
Yeah, thats where I'm at, do I wish it was better value? yes. Will anyone offer a better value option? Probably not. And I dont plan on running the X2 so could always recoup some cost and sell it.
I'd probably 100% jump on it now if they had a better refund policy, similar to Velduro.
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It seems hard to beat on value, building up the spec I’d want lands right at the $10k USD mark which would have carbon bars, nice carbon wheels, Fox factory suspension/dropper, the exact tires I’d want, nice pedals, choice of brakes, X0 drivetrain, etc. All that on a Spesh/Santa Cruz would be $12k+ easy, probably pushing $13k,and you don’t get to pick each component.

What drip is offering with the custom build, being able to select every component really is a game changer, no big manufacturers let you pick each component down to brakes, tires, and pedals. Many people would buy the closest spec they want and still be swapping tires and other small bits once they get it.
 
With the top of the line Flux being the cost of the entry level atherton I am a bit confused as to the the pricing of these. I think they are a bit overpriced.
There is no way other than riding both but I would think the entry Atherton would be a better ride than the top of the range teewing flux.
What are the thoughts on this?

Also the Atherton will come with the next generation motor and system
 
brentonb said:
With the top of the line Flux being the cost of the entry level atherton I am a bit confused as to the the pricing of these. I think they are a bit overpriced.
There is no way other than riding both but I would think the entry Atherton would be a better ride than the top of the range teewing flux.
What are the thoughts on this?

Also the Atherton will come with the next generation motor and system
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I think the Teewings will have the new motor when they ship :) But yes, I reckon the Fluxs are $1.5k aud over priced.
 
Test ride on a Flux today and boy what a bike. I ride a Orbea Wild that I really like but this one is on a different level. And then I only talking about the bike not the motor. I was riding it in mullet and high setting so incredibly agile and easy to ride tight corners ing gobbles upp anything you can throw at it. An then the motor what a beast 🤘 I think I am in love 💕

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Lantz said:
Test ride on a Flux today and boy what a bike. I ride a Orbea Wild that I really like but this one is on a different level. And then I only talking about the bike not the motor. I was riding it in mullet and high setting so incredibly agile and easy to ride tight corners ing gobbles upp anything you can throw at it. An then the motor what a beast 🤘 I think I am in love 💕

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Mines on order so I really hope you’re not a Teewing employee 😆 stoked!
 
Nice to start getting some reviews.
How was the small bump sensitivity? Was the frame quiet? Understand the motor might have some rattle but that should be fixed with the updated motor.
 
B Rabbit said:
Nice to start getting some reviews.
How was the small bump sensitivity? Was the frame quiet? Understand the motor might have some rattle but that should be fixed with the updated motor.
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No rattle from the motor but the bike was brand new. Sensitivity is really good and couldn't feel any kick back in the pedals. The frame is dead quiet.
 
Hey Lancz, thanks for chiming in giving us feedback to your positive ride observations. I have a question because l am trying to get the feel of wether this bike to be riding on my locals may be to much of a bike.

Here the local trails hosts a good selection of rock tech jank that reflects also to part of the climb.

At present the Flux is very much on my radar next the Rogue.

What size Flux were you testing and what would you rate the Flux for its ability for climbing tight sections of trail.
Cheers!
 
Lantz said:
Test ride on a Flux today and boy what a bike. I ride a Orbea Wild that I really like but this one is on a different level. And then I only talking about the bike not the motor. I was riding it in mullet and high setting so incredibly agile and easy to ride tight corners ing gobbles upp anything you can throw at it. An then the motor what a beast 🤘 I think I am in love 💕
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Can you give us some more details on the configuration of the rig you tested: frame size and your height; L/R flip-chip settings; shock settings and spacer count; seat post insertion; sag levels, etc.

It's good that pedal kickback is in check (as to expected with HP steeds). In comparing your ride as besting a Wild is saying quite a lot. In what ways and in what riding situations is it better? Is this your first HP bike test ride? If so, how do the comparative HP riding dynamics suss out? Have you ridden an Avinox powered bike to compare this bike to, or is the first DJI you've thrown a leg over? I only ask because a first the DJI experience can overwhelm the bike experience its fitted to.

Cheers.
 
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