Highland Wheels
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It isn't though is it.
My last ride was 23k and 850m climbing in Boost/Turbo only and it still had 25% left.
It's not worse than a Gen 5 Bosch in the real world.
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My last ride was 23k and 850m climbing in Boost/Turbo only and it still had 25% left.
It's not worse than a Gen 5 Bosch in the real world.
I hope that is Not true..... Power wars are not a good thing for the EMTB industry and will just lead to more regulations. The current motor has plenty of power, if you need more you might as well buy a proper motorbike.
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Its a lot worse than the bosch. Bosch whyte kado and avinox bike. both 800wh. Same ride at forest of dean. Used a lot more with the avinox. Take the chain off an avinox and move the cranks. You can feel the resistance from over tight seals. Something which is rumored to be fixed on the new one. Its a very well known fact they aren't efficient. Hence that being one of the biggest points of the new motor is improvements in this area.
Most efficient motor I have ridden is the new tq motor. In the yeti MTE its insane the range you can get from it. Less power obviously but its still extremely efficient. The new giant motor (Yamaha) with its 48v motor and battery is also extremely good. Ive gotten great range off its 560wh battery
completely agree. Its just a headline figure to sell motors. Give me improved efficiency, better battery tech and reliability. No need for more power. Hopefully two of those thing they are improving with the new motor
never owned bosch but found my avinox more efficient than my gen 3 and now gen 4 levo
sethimus
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80%ish is not terrible but one of the more efficient motors out there. stop being lazy and let the motor do all the work, then you have range
Erm, not sure what you mean by 80%, I never stated that? Also, I ride mostly in eco as I want range. 1500m plus is a normal day at Forest of dean for me and just over 20 miles by the time I've done symonds yat, the main center and Staunton.
Highland Wheels
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You'll manage 1500-2k vert easily on an 800wh tbh, Unless you smash it all day on Boost like a lot seem to and run them derestricted
Not saying you won't. Never said that. But if I do 5500-6000ft on the DJI, I have a lot less left than I did on the Bosch. Same ride. Plus I'm 6'4 and 100kg. Pretty fit though.You'll manage 1500-2k vert easily on an 800wh tbh, Unless you smash it all day on Boost like a lot seem to and run them derestricted
I can honestly say I never use boost on any ebike I ride or own. I would run out of I did.
Highland Wheels
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When they are tuned to the same they are not far off each other. This has been the case on multiple rides I've done on my Avinox bike touching 700kms total with other folk on Gen 5 Boschs tuned to the same power/torque levels.
Easy to say Eco/Trail mode only but when they are doing 850w+ and 100nm compared to the Bosch settings running less then it isn't a like for like comparison.
Easy to say Eco/Trail mode only but when they are doing 850w+ and 100nm compared to the Bosch settings running less then it isn't a like for like comparison.
silverstone
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Unfortunately, you're comparing apples and oranges. The Avinox has a standard maximum power output of 850 watts in all modes. Of course, the battery runs out much faster than with a Bosch motor, which delivers perhaps 400 to 500 watts of power in the middle mode.
Agree. Cancelled my Unno order for this very reason when I received a call saying it was finally on its way 6 weeks before they are updated.
I tuned them the same. I'm fully aware of the differences from factory. It's extremely well known of the sealing issue causing drag at the cranks. It's a first Gen motor, was never going to be perfect. But something they seem to be looking to fix. Just denying there is an issue when there clearly is, makes no sense
Highland Wheels
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You banging on about having terrible efficiency just isn't true though is it
How much milage have you actually had on an Avinox bike?
Just changing the peak torque and watt doesn't fully change the battery drain either. Assist level is a massive draw.
How much milage have you actually had on an Avinox bike?
Just changing the peak torque and watt doesn't fully change the battery drain either. Assist level is a massive draw.
Plenty of online reviews comparing it showing efficiency isn't good. As I said, take the chain off, move the cranks. Noticable drag. Do the same am with another motors bike. It's the seals, also a known thing. There is no harm in it not being perfect. People seem to get very damn boy over DJI and won't accept anything else.You banging on about having terrible efficiency just isn't true though is it
How much milage have you actually had on an Avinox bike?
Just changing the peak torque and watt doesn't fully change the battery drain either. Assist level is a massive draw.
My next bike will likely be a gen 2 DJI of they fix a couple of things. Have paid for the Atherton ebike. But can cancel if it turns out they haven't fixed the issues.
Only about 5-600 miles on the avinox on a couple of different bikes. Not huge, but enough to be confident in everything I'm saying. As I mentioned I'm far from the only one with these opinions of gen 1 DJI.
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Suns_PSD... is that you?
Highland Wheels
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Oh I'm not blinded by it since I own one. I couldn't care less. If the Forbidden had another motor instead I'd of probably still bought it. Well aware it's a first iteration and can be improved but it really is not that bad in terms of efficiency compared to the comparable age Bosch motor for example.
Mine is likely even worse in terms of effeciency with the high pivot and Idler but it'll still do a 40k day with 2000m Vertical easily enough. Probably go another 25% on top of that if you ran Eco only for the full day.
John_likes_bikes
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This could also be a software update like it was last time for current gen.
sethimus
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stop being stupid and learn what efficiency means. when you learned that, research what the difference in rider support means. you have a motor, that puts out 800w when you input 100w, while a bosch gives you max 400% of your own input. thats not inefficient, just more output. reduce your assistance levels to bosch levels and they are the same.
But the design hasnt changed. It's not something that can be changed without a bigger update. The seals were designed to be that tight. They are hopefully reworking for version 2. Just hoping that along with better sized seals they are a second barrier to ingress. That's why the seals are so tight on gen 1. No second barrier.
I clearly stated I adjusted modes. That's the second time you have troll replied without reading a message properly.
sethimus
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sorry, in that case i rather rely on measurements from DEKRA or velomotion magazine. both clearly show how much more power the motor provides at a fixed rider input compared to other manufacturers. and that is not called efficiency, electrical output divided by electrical input is, in which the avinox is at around 80% efficient.
Also not correct. Voltage used, wiring, coils in the motor, materials. All play a part in efficiency. Another thing I hope they do for gen 2 avinox is move to 48v. The efficiency of the new giant motor is extremely impressive. The range in the new 560wh battery is extremely impressive. Just a shame you can buy a second battery yet. Likely won't be able to for a while
Highland Wheels
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Why don't you buy a Giant in that case if its so impressive?
I dont think I've ever actually seen a Giant Eeb in the wild only time I see them is when Warner is posting stuff about his
I dont think I've ever actually seen a Giant Eeb in the wild
only time I see them is when Warner is posting stuff about his
I would bet on this date 
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A lot of focus on motors here, I think the power packs are going to play a bigger role in the next release...
My bet is still on a 700Wh, 930Wh and maybe something to complete the SL variant motor.
Taiwan International Tradeshows-Events Taiwan International Tradeshows-Events
A lot of focus on motors here, I think the power packs are going to play a bigger role in the next release...
My bet is still on a 700Wh, 930Wh and maybe something to complete the SL variant motor.
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sethimus
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The main advantage of the DJI Avinox M1 was its weight, which was 300-500g lighter (motor and battery combined), while still delivering insane power—more than Bosch. These qualities made it possible to have a full-power e-bike with a weight close to that of a Light Power. If the next generation, the M2, prioritizes even more power and also increases weight, it will be a huge disappointment for me. The M1's performance is more than sufficient; perhaps an upgrade to a 900Wh battery would be better. Anyone who needs more watts should buy a motorcycle. At this rate, they'll end up restricting e-bikes in many areas.
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John_likes_bikes
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I see guys on emtb's stopping on climbs because they're sucking wind, so there's certainly a market for more power but for me, I'm already detuned about 30% from stock settings. Which I think is where most people would land.
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Sales and Marketing divisions want more power/torque since so many buy from a spec sheet these days. Much easier to show value with hard numbers than things like say, a more-natural power delivery.