Just tested 2026 Amflow Pl
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So given that the Amflow is the best full power, mid power, low power, trail, all mountain and enduro bike all rolled into one, it'd still be a contender for you guys if it had a Bosch motor? I mean, if it's the best bike irrelevant of the motor, then that'd be the case right?
Part of the attraction for me, was the slimness of the downtube and the lack of bulk round the BB area. I like an EMTB that looks more like a bicycle. You don't get that with the Bosch CX motor and battery system. The Bosch CX battery just has too much girth.
Look at the new Whyte Kado compared with the Amflow or Unno Mith. The Bosch motor would have ruined both those bikes. And Cesar Rojo gave that exact reason for dumping the Bosch System.
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Ok then, so for you the fatter down tube would be a big enough con to offset the total mastery of all disciplines of the Amflow frame, if it had the Bosch system installed.
Let's imagine then that a custom battery was built for use with the Bosch. Like I'd assume the Amflow battery is it'd be longer and so decentralise some of the weight towards the front of the bike, but it'd allow a thinner downtube, just like the DJI battery does. Still a huge contender then, exact same Amflow frame but with Bosch motor?
This is unhinged. Lol
Zed. There are so many things about the Avinox System I like. If I thought I could discuss them without this becoming triggering for the Bosch owners, which seem to be perusing the Avinox threads, l would. I'm trying to be respectful.
But to answer your question. If I could get all the same features as the Avinox in a Bosch System. There is no reason I wouldn't get the Bosch System. But currently I don't believe I can.
No EMTB is 100% what you want. There is always some compromise. Talking to my LBS. The Amflow seems to be a package that offers the least compromise for what the majority of current buyers want. But that may change if a Bosch motored EMTB is released with all these changes you speak of. And the Amflow is certainly not for everyone. It's not a downhill charger if that is your 90% of riding.
My only concern is that Bosch is an old school German company. And change is made very slowly in these types of companies. Meanwhile the Chinese tend to make changes without so much "Committee" input. If enough customers ask for changes, they seem to make them quickly. I also own a Tesla and they make changes very quickly as well. So I like products that get better quickly, the longer you own them.
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Not sure if you're missing my point intentionally or accidentally
I'm trying to get you guys to think about the bike separate from the motor. Like - the frame, the build, the kinematic. If all that is so amazing then it would still be a very prominent bike with the DJI bit missing.
But hey, a lot pro bike testers struggle with this too. So I'm expecting too much.
I'm still considering buying one. This may well happen.
But It's highly entertaining reading all the fanboy posts where literally no downside of the Amflow can ever be discussed. Not just here.
The motor really must be dazzling, it removes all hint of objectivity...
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You know I think I can just accept what JKW says about the Amflow.
And he has a lot of good things to say. But he does say effectively "wouldn't quite recommend the Amflow for Whistler, but the Norco Fluid VLT was up to the task."
I can work with that. The Norco is under my consideration too. I'll assume Amflow "is trail" and with beefier parts might become more. Rob pretty much said a similar thing IIRC.
The other thing for me is the question do I really want another full power bike? I've had lots, and I get bored with them. That happened with 104nm just the same as less. They were heavier, but by the time I get the Amflow setup it'd probably be >22.5kg, which isn't that light.
I also want to work on my fitness, I've just turned 50, and it's dawning on me I need to get that in check as I age. I think a mid or SL bike is possibly the right choice. It's very hard to decide.
And he has a lot of good things to say. But he does say effectively "wouldn't quite recommend the Amflow for Whistler, but the Norco Fluid VLT was up to the task."
I can work with that. The Norco is under my consideration too. I'll assume Amflow "is trail" and with beefier parts might become more. Rob pretty much said a similar thing IIRC.
The other thing for me is the question do I really want another full power bike? I've had lots, and I get bored with them. That happened with 104nm just the same as less. They were heavier, but by the time I get the Amflow setup it'd probably be >22.5kg, which isn't that light.
I also want to work on my fitness, I've just turned 50, and it's dawning on me I need to get that in check as I age. I think a mid or SL bike is possibly the right choice. It's very hard to decide.
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Not sure if you're missing my point intentionally or accidentally
I'm trying to get you guys to think about the bike separate from the motor. Like - the frame, the build, the kinematic. If all that is so amazing then it would still be a very prominent bike with the DJI bit missing.
But hey, a lot pro bike testers struggle with this too. So I'm expecting too much.
I'm still considering buying one. This may well happen.
But It's highly entertaining reading all the fanboy posts where literally no downside of the Amflow can ever be discussed. Not just here.
The motor really must be dazzling, it removes all hint of objectivity...
Mate. I discussed the downside of the Amflow. It's not a downhill charger. Everything else it does better than other EMTBs, in my opinion. But it's an opinion. People sharing opinions is the whole point of these forums.
Regarding thinking about splitting the bike from the motor. It doesn't really interest me talking about that. The thread is about testing the Amflow. I care about what I can buy in Australia. Some theoretical EMTB or even bikes like the Unno that I really cannot buy here, are not of any great interest.
I have shown interest in the DJI Crestline, which I should be able to buy here in 2026, and the DJI Forbidden, which I should be able to buy here, though delivers are very slow.
I am also interested in the Shimano bikes because I own one and I love how easily and cheaply I can access Shimano parts in Australia. But there is no offering from Bosch that interests me. But that's just me.
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Right. So just... don't reply?
"Testing the Amflow". Not "testing the DJI Avinox". The ride quality of the Amflow bike, separate from the motor, is on topic. As it is with literally every other bike.
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Well, I didn’t just consider the motor…Not sure if you're missing my point intentionally or accidentally
I'm trying to get you guys to think about the bike separate from the motor. Like - the frame, the build, the kinematic. If all that is so amazing then it would still be a very prominent bike with the DJI bit missing.
But hey, a lot pro bike testers struggle with this too. So I'm expecting too much.
I'm still considering buying one. This may well happen.
But It's highly entertaining reading all the fanboy posts where literally no downside of the Amflow can ever be discussed. Not just here.
The motor really must be dazzling, it removes all hint of objectivity...
Note that I preferred the handling of the Amflow to the Vala, but it couldn’t hold a candle to the Shuttle.
Still, I’ve got the Amflow well sorted and have no regrets.
Depends. There are a few segments that have hills, and I have not beat my Canyons time, because of the time made up on the steep downhill section.
The more downhill there is, the more skill is required
The fastest guys downhill are on gen 4 Bosch Pivots around here.
They cannot compete up the hills or long distance trails.
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Now that, is quite an impressive spreadsheet.Well, I didn’t just consider the motor…
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Note that I preferred the handling of the Amflow to the Vala, but it couldn’t hold a candle to the Shuttle.
Still, I’ve got the Amflow well sorted and have no regrets.
Yeah the Shuttle seems like it would be the correct bike for my purposes. It's not however correct for my bank account nor available locally... I think that ethos is where I'm going though.
RickBullotta
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Well, I didn’t just consider the motor…
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Note that I preferred the handling of the Amflow to the Vala, but it couldn’t hold a candle to the Shuttle.
Still, I’ve got the Amflow well sorted and have no regrets.
Have you revisited this? Because I'd disagree with quite a few of the items on the Amflow - at least for the PL Pro. Build quality was excellent, equipment spec excellent (no need for XX1 - XO is more than adequate), it can be set to 28 MPH (at least for me) so it basically is destricted, the privacy is a non-issue if you don't put a SIM card in it. Also, having owned a Levo S-Works and a high-spec Shuttle, I think the Amflow handles far better in normal trail conditions than either of those.
Ridgydidge
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Haven’t revisited that. spreadsheet - I’d probably rate a few things on the Amflow differently now - to make it even more of a win.
Interesting that you find the handling good, better, best?
I must say that since I put in my angleset I am super happy with the stiffness of the front end and the handling for typical ‘blues’. See:
Thread 'Amflow PL 800 angleset install'
Amflow PL 800 angleset install
Was out this morning two wheel drifting in the gravel (its drying out here as summer takes hold).
RickBullotta
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Haven’t revisited that. spreadsheet - I’d probably rate a few things on the Amflow differently now - to make it even more of a win.
Interesting that you find the handling good, better, best?
I must say that since I put in my angleset I am super happy with the stiffness of the front end and the handling for typical ‘blues’. See:
Thread 'Amflow PL 800 angleset install'
Amflow PL 800 angleset install
Was out this morning two wheel drifting in the gravel (its drying out here as summer takes hold).
|n terms of handling, it could just be that it's a perfect bike fit for me. Feels so balanced, doesn't understeer like other eMTBs, and just feels natural like my Hightower.
MickMTB
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Give the guy a break! Not his fault he's American, they quite often are bigheaded no talent bores!Winford is such a riding god, I have a poster of him on my bedroom wall!
Honestly, as a slow guy, I just sit here in awe of his speed and power!
TBH i think the amflows look quite bland for what they are,on the other hand,the new DJI equipped commencals are bloody lovely in the black,pretty well specced too.Just finished my test ride of the cheaper new 2026 Amflow Pl and have to say I wasn't that impressed. It was 22.5kg in XL with the standard trail tyres on and that rear Dissector is dangerous as soon as there's any mud
I currently ride a Specialized Kenevo mulleted with a 29 inch Fox Factory 38 on the front and Fox Factory X2 on the back with Enduro casing Vittoria Maza on the front and Magic Mary in Gravity casing on the back and that's just over 25kg with the 700 battery.
My fully kitted up riding weight is just under 100kg so around 3kg difference to my Kenevo which I really couldn't't notice.
The Amflow definitely had more power but that's only to the restricted speed limit and then it feels like someone has thrown the anchors onI was 100% slower on it than any normal bike would be on the flats or downs cause of the limiter so without 'moving to NZ' it would be simply be unrideable for me.
The Amflow was set up totally stock i.e. full 29 wheels but even if you swap the rear wheel to 27.5 and put a gravity tyre on and Enduro casing min on front I reckon it will still be closer to 23kg so then only about 2kg difference to my Kenevo that has burlier and heavier suspension with removable battery and i haven't tried swapping anything on that to carbon to bring the weight of that down
I only had it for 2 hours so I obviously very hard to draw any real conclusions but have to say the new Fox 36 definitely felt stiffer than the 2022 36 I have on an old bike but I would need to tweak it a lot to see if it would ever feel as good as my current 38.
Renting it for a couple of hours was an itch I wanted to scratch and has definitely given me something to think about as I actually have a deposit down on the Unno Mith that comes as standard with nothing I'd want to change and should be about 22kg in S3 size. Again 3kg is not as much difference as I'd thought for someone like me that's 100kg all kitted up but maybe with the factory level suspension on that it would feel more like my Kenevo.
Anyways if I didn't have an ebike already I'd 100% recommend the cheaper Amflow but for others, especially those of us heavier units I suggest test riding one before you buy as you might be surprised how little difference you feel
EDIT video version live now here
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Glad you got one thing right! lol
The talent thing you "might" have right! Never been the fastest man alive on two wheels, nor claim to be him. Do you know him?
But bore? nah man I wont bore you lol
I don't think that is a bad thing lol. Its a lot better than the Specialized and the complaints of it being an over weight pig
First time I saw an Amflow in person I thought it was a manual. I dressed mine up with orange bling, the black n gold theme was kind of boring
^^^ Just goes to prove that [good] taste is in the eye of the beholder [(c) Margaret Wolfe Hungerford].
Shame that Fox doesn't really have an alternative to the gold tubing on their suspension kits. Really makes it hard to get accessories to pop without clashing on the Amflow Pro Black frame, not sure how im going to tweak mine when it arrives this week...sometimes less is more, but less is generic and bland. Personally i'm leaning toward a dark purple or Dark Green that hopefully won't offend to many here, also i don't want it to be a HEY LOOK AT ME peasant either and have a line of crack heads camping out my house waiting to shank me for their next hit 
Decision decsions....
Decision decsions....
You could do what Sam from Sam's Bikes has done - get one painted:
sethimus
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easy: don’t buy shit suspension and you don’t need to deal with kashimaShame that Fox doesn't really have an alternative to the gold tubing on their suspension kits. Really makes it hard to get accessories to pop without clashing on the Amflow Pro Black frame, not sure how im going to tweak mine when it arrives this week...sometimes less is more, but less is generic and bland. Personally i'm leaning toward a dark purple or Dark Green that hopefully won't offend to many here, also i don't want it to be a HEY LOOK AT ME peasant either and have a line of crack heads camping out my house waiting to shank me for their next hit
Decision decsions....
Gonna bite on this for shits n giggles...The bike i bought came with Fox and i'm very happy with it, but if you are saying Fox is shit suspension then i guess you are just trolling but as Amflow is my baseline and i have ZERO experience in the "Scene" then i will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are being the atypical know it all. Well played good sir...although i beg to differ.
highly_Focused
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I recently purchased the Pro model.Just finished my test ride of the cheaper new 2026 Amflow Pl and have to say I wasn't that impressed. It was 22.5kg in XL with the standard trail tyres on and that rear Dissector is dangerous as soon as there's any mud
I currently ride a Specialized Kenevo mulleted with a 29 inch Fox Factory 38 on the front and Fox Factory X2 on the back with Enduro casing Vittoria Maza on the front and Magic Mary in Gravity casing on the back and that's just over 25kg with the 700 battery.
My fully kitted up riding weight is just under 100kg so around 3kg difference to my Kenevo which I really couldn't't notice.
The Amflow definitely had more power but that's only to the restricted speed limit and then it feels like someone has thrown the anchors on
The Amflow was set up totally stock i.e. full 29 wheels but even if you swap the rear wheel to 27.5 and put a gravity tyre on and Enduro casing min on front I reckon it will still be closer to 23kg so then only about 2kg difference to my Kenevo that has burlier and heavier suspension with removable battery and i haven't tried swapping anything on that to carbon to bring the weight of that down
I only had it for 2 hours so I obviously very hard to draw any real conclusions but have to say the new Fox 36 definitely felt stiffer than the 2022 36 I have on an old bike but I would need to tweak it a lot to see if it would ever feel as good as my current 38.
Renting it for a couple of hours was an itch I wanted to scratch and has definitely given me something to think about as I actually have a deposit down on the Unno Mith that comes as standard with nothing I'd want to change and should be about 22kg in S3 size. Again 3kg is not as much difference as I'd thought for someone like me that's 100kg all kitted up but maybe with the factory level suspension on that it would feel more like my Kenevo.
Anyways if I didn't have an ebike already I'd 100% recommend the cheaper Amflow but for others, especially those of us heavier units I suggest test riding one before you buy as you might be surprised how little difference you feel
EDIT video version live now here
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For me, it is a fantastic bike for what i ride & how i ride.
The power of the motor is impressive but imo, how the motor delivers its power is more impressive.
With the bike on a stand & motor off, turning the peddle shows a lot of drag or resistance.
However, when riding the bike on level and slight up inclines and exceeding the 25 kph limit, unless i look at the speed read out i can not tell the motor has stopped assisting.
I think the power drop off has been tuned to be gradual and the transition to no power is seemingly seamless.
Overall the AMFLOW is a very well thought about bike by DJI and have executed it well with details, componentry and software that for the price, makes more expensive bikes pale in comparison.
When i first paired my Pro last week somehow i accidently was in NZ and it seems the speed limit knows no bounds...and yet in no way do i feel it is to fast, its just sensibly fast when it needs to be Even in Boost mode i don't feel like i'm hitting power ban on a 2 stroke motorbike its just solid fun....I see there is an update to the App but unless someone has a great reason i see no need to update the firmware. I may update one day but last i heard location services cannot be disabled for the latest firmware so i think it's a hard pass for me atm.
btw Love the Pro and will be wrapping it as soon as invisiframe arrives, i have not noticed any motor noise and everything just works perfectly. But am changing the grips as they feel super hard on my hands and will be looking at possibly changing the seat as well but not sure what to at the moment. Will be adding Race Face Turbine pedals but not sure whether to go with KashMoney or Purple yet...Depends on whether the purple grips suit or clash.
The Ergon seat on the Pro, is rubbish. Far too hard. I changed it first thing.
I also changed the grips to these sponge type. It stops so much vibration. They do tear in a fall. But at $5 a pair. I have bought 5 pairs, giving me 10 replacements. I have replaced 2 in 9 months. And I don't fall as much now I'm getting used to the power of the Amflow.
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