Avinox Motor Tuning - Tips Thread

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Hi all. I thought this might be a good place to share some settings.

I tried to get Trail mode to feel a bit like the Bosch EMTB mode. Here’s the settings I used.

With the Assist setting lowered, it takes a lot more rider torque and input to get the power from the motor, and it feels more natural.

Below screens show the motor power versus rider power with the above settings.

The left hand watt number is my leg power, and the right hand is the motor output.

With these settings it feels quite a bit more natural, and 1000w is still available with more leg power.

 

[Winford]

At the highest setting using a 1000w mine would overheat the battery on long climbs when it is a 100f day. But only on pavement leaving the trail after 25 miles ish.

 

[Peaky Rider]

I have three riding mates who now have Amflows. They've already "tuned" their bikes.

 

[Fangs2k]

I have three riding mates who now have Amflows. They've already "tuned" their bikes.

Ah, they’re all kiwis presumably?!

 

[Paul F]

I have three riding mates who now have Amflows. They've already "tuned" their bikes.

How did they tune their bikes. I thought Avinox had blocked the option to select different country settings. I wouldn't replace my existing eMTB's with a bike that could not be 'tuned'.

 

[Winford]

How did they tune their bikes.

the vpn still works for some.

replaced wheel sensor, which will cause issues

no idea how others are doing it

 

[Peaky Rider]

How did they tune their bikes. I thought Avinox had blocked the option to select different country settings. I wouldn't replace my existing eMTB's with a bike that could not be 'tuned'.

They were early adopters with the Amflow, when life was much more carefree and the EU hadn't got to DJI. (Avinox)
They also don't ever, ever update but accept that, one day, Avinox will do it for them, whether they like it or not. (these Chinese are damn clever you know)
As for your point about not replacing your bike with one unless it could be 'tuned', best not replace your bike then as things are getting tricky out there as regards deristricting opportunities.
The Amflow was interesting me, but not any more. I'll be sticking with my Rails and Mr Volspeed.
85 NM is plenty for me, when it isn't, I'll be getting a mobility scooter.

 

[John_likes_bikes]

Hi all. I thought this might be a good place to share some settings.

I tried to get Trail mode to feel a bit like the Bosch EMTB mode. Here’s the settings I used.

With the Assist setting lowered, it takes a lot more rider torque and input to get the power from the motor, and it feels more natural.

Below screens show the motor power versus rider power with the above settings.

The left hand watt number is my leg power, and the right hand is the motor output.

With these settings it feels quite a bit more natural, and 1000w is still available with more leg power.

Screen shots of the settings in the app would be great to see too. thx

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Screen shots of the settings in the app would be great to see too. thx

Will do this for sure. Just building up the Unno and I’ll go through it all

 

[mtnrider]

Screen shots of the settings in the app would be great to see too. thx

Reviving this thread as I just picked up my Teewing with the Avinox and looking for a more natural feeling setting. I played with it a little bit on my first ride and haven’t found a good setting yet for my preferred ride style. Looking for something that is based off my input, right now there is nothing off the bottom then it just takes off.

Rob, do you have any screen shots from the app to show the settings?


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[Rob Rides EMTB]

Reviving this thread as I just picked up my Teewing with the Avinox and looking for a more natural feeling setting. I played with it a little bit on my first ride and haven’t found a good setting yet for my preferred ride style. Looking for something that is based off my input, right now there is nothing off the bottom then it just takes off.

Rob, do you have any screen shots from the app to show the settings?


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Try Auto, minimum 4, maximum 9, Continuous assist 1, Max Power 850.

 

[RickBullotta]

Reviving this thread as I just picked up my Teewing with the Avinox and looking for a more natural feeling setting. I played with it a little bit on my first ride and haven’t found a good setting yet for my preferred ride style. Looking for something that is based off my input, right now there is nothing off the bottom then it just takes off.

Rob, do you have any screen shots from the app to show the settings?


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There's a guy on the Facebook Amflow/Avinox user's group who has posted very detailed PDFs with recommended settings based on weight, riding style, etc...

 

[John_likes_bikes]

There's a guy on the Facebook Amflow/Avinox user's group who has posted very detailed PDFs with recommended settings based on weight, riding style, etc...

Link?

 

[sethimus]

Try Auto, minimum 4, maximum 9, Continuous assist 1, Max Power 850.

is there a difference between trail and auto if you setup both modes exactly the same?

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

is there a difference between trail and auto if you setup both modes exactly the same?

There's an extra parameter in Auto mode: Max Acceleration Level

Other than this they are similar, but I do find Auto a smoother overall experience.

"Lowering maximum acceleration level will slow down bike acceleration. To improve bike acceleration, cyclist needs to put more effort or increase maximum acceleration level"

 

[John_likes_bikes]

Reviving this thread as I just picked up my Teewing with the Avinox and looking for a more natural feeling setting. I played with it a little bit on my first ride and haven’t found a good setting yet for my preferred ride style. Looking for something that is based off my input, right now there is nothing off the bottom then it just takes off.

Rob, do you have any screen shots from the app to show the settings?


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As Rob mentioned start with adjusting the assist range on Auto. The lower number represents the assistance on flat ground, the high the assistance on hills and the range is how much the system auto adjust based on inputs. The lower the number of the range the less powerful/more natural it'll feel on initial starts. You can also bring down the max power, too.

 

[John_likes_bikes]

Who doesn't like a nice excel...

At 190lbs kitted I did 25m/6500v ft yesterday, 85% auto, 10% Traill and 5% turbo. This was about 2.5 hours of riding.

Assist Level	Assistance	Max Torque	Max Power	Max Overrun	Assist Start	Cont.Assist	Max Accel	Duration
Eco	3	50	400	1 (shortest)	3 (mid)	3 (mid)
Auto	4-9	75	500	2	5	5	3 (mid)
Trail	7-10	85	700	2	5	3
Turbo	11	105	1000	3	5	3
Boost								60

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Using a few data points that I captured whilst riding, here's what I estimate the rider amplification levels of each mode. This is not 100% accurate as its just some data points, with level 15 giving 800% amplification.

But we can see at level 7 we are getting just over 250% rider amplification of rider watts.





And the rider watts vs motor watts for Assistance Level 7

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

Estimating the level 15 (highest) with all settings maxed out, it would look something like this:

 

[John_likes_bikes]

This is super helpful @Rob Rides EMTB . I have to get a better understanding of the watts I'm pushing, especially since in the emtb world since it's especially related to motor output. I've always focused on cadence.... this is where Avinox data and touch screen advances are FAR superior to everyone else.

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

This is super helpful @Rob Rides EMTB . I have to get a better understanding of the watts I'm pushing, especially since in the emtb world since it's especially related to motor output. I've always focused on cadence.... this is where Avinox data and touch screen advances are FAR superior to everyone else.

Easy to set a custom screen on the Avinox - One showing Motor Power (W) and another showing Rider Power (W).

If anyone wants to contribute to the above charts, I can update them (just take a pic of the screen when riding - only if its safe to do so!). Would be important to set a single Assistance number (like Min 4-Max 4) and I can map the charts.

 

[RickBullotta]

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[John_likes_bikes]

Easy to set a custom screen on the Avinox - One showing Motor Power (W) and another showing Rider Power (W).

If anyone wants to contribute to the above charts, I can update them (just take a pic of the screen when riding - only if its safe to do so!). Would be important to set a single Assistance number (like Min 4-Max 4) and I can map the charts.

I just created a screen with my cadence and rider watts to run until I get a better idea of what watts I'm pushing and when. Then later I'll change it to your suggestion to swap in motor W and happily contribute.

 

[sethimus]

Estimating the level 15 (highest) with all settings maxed out, it would look something like this:

View attachment 173041

from velomotion's test

 

[Rob Rides EMTB]

View attachment 173044
from velomotion's test

Ahh great.

So we can see level 7 gives a fairly linear power delivery