Which drivetrain?

[Sind]

Hi,

If you had a choice to run one of these on your eMTB, which would it be and why?

Shimano XT Deore Hyperglide+
Shimano XT Linkglide
SRAM GX Eagle

I've got an option to select one of these for my bike.

Thanks!

 

[Astro66]

I tore a link glide derailleur in half a few weeks ago..... $167 nzd to buy a new one.

Link glide works and it is so cost effective.

2 things.

1) That's a mechanical derailleur and Jase was asking about Di2. The Di2 derailleur is not $167NZD.

2) If we are talking mechanical derailleurs. The Deore RD-M6100-SGS 12 speed mechanical derailleur is $60AUD shipped, ($68NZD). The 12S Hyperglide+ cassette (CS-M6100-12), (10-51T) is also significantly cheaper than the linkglide (CS-LG400-11), (11-50T) cassette. Sure the Linkglide Cassettte is longer lasting. But I still just changed the Linkglide cassette every 3 chains. Same with the Hyperglide+ if you use the steel M6100 model.

The other thing. The performance difference between Hyperglide+ and Linkglide is definitely noticeable. End up in the wrong gear, and it's going to take much longer to pull the right gear with Linkglide. The shift ramps are much further apart. This is why I moved back to Hyperglide+.

Between derailleurs, chain and cassettes. I don't think there is really going to be a huge cost advantage with Linkglide over Hyperglide+. But there is certainly a performance advantage with Hyperglide+, IMO.

It really comes down to Durability over Performance. If Durability is your No.1 factor. Then sure. Go Linkglide. But if Performance is important. Having run both, I don't think the cost advantage of Linkglide stacks up over Hyperglide+.

 

[Plummet]

2 things.

1) That's a mechanical derailleur and Jase was asking about Di2. The Di2 derailleur is not $167NZD.

2) If we are talking mechanical derailleurs. The Deore RD-M6100-SGS 12 speed mechanical derailleur is $60AUD shipped, ($68NZD). The 12S Hyperglide+ cassette (CS-M6100-12), (10-51T) is also significantly cheaper than the linkglide (CS-LG400-11), (11-50T) cassette. Sure the Linkglide Cassettte is longer lasting. But I still just changed the Linkglide cassette every 3 chains. Same with the Hyperglide+ if you use the steel M6100 model.

The other thing. The performance difference between Hyperglide+ and Linkglide is definitely noticeable. End up in the wrong gear, and it's going to take much longer to pull the right gear with Linkglide. The shift ramps are much further apart. This is why I moved back to Hyperglide+.

Between derailleurs, chain and cassettes. I don't think there is really going to be a huge cost advantage with Linkglide over Hyperglide+. But there is certainly a performance advantage with Hyperglide+, IMO.

It really comes down to Durability over Performance. If Durability is your No.1 factor. Then sure. Go Linkglide. But if Performance is important. Having run both, I don't think the cost advantage of Linkglide stacks up over Hyperglide+.

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Yes a mechanical 11 speed XT link glide deraileur.

12 speed hyperglide does not work better than link glide. It is worse particularly in the mud when it clogs up quickly and the smalls cogs slip.

I see no reason for 12 speed on any bike let along an e-bike. The only reason i haven't got 11 speed linkglide on my mtb ( i have it on my E ) is weight. I much prefer the shifting 11 speed link glide.

 

[Astro66]

Having run both Shimano systems and SRAM transmission. I have not experienced clogging gears causing slipping, or even seen reports. But I have seen reports of Linkglide slower shifting.

I agree you do not need 12S. 11S or even 10S is fine. But I prefer having the option of 12S when there isn't a significant cost saving. It just means I can use a lower assist when I need to conserve battery on a climb, without compromising top end speed.

It's great you have had a good experience with Linkglide. I did not. I want fast snappy shifting. The ramps are just too far apart for me on the Linkglide cassettes. And it has been the difference between stalling on a climb, when I wasn't in the correct gear, and quickly pulling the correct gear and not having to put a foot down. And I guess that's why we see it differently.

 

[Plummet]

Having run both Shimano systems and SRAM transmission. I have not experienced clogging gears causing slipping, or even seen reports. But I have seen reports of Linkglide slower shifting.

I agree you do not need 12S. 11S or even 10S is fine. But I prefer having the option of 12S when there isn't a significant cost saving. It just means I can use a lower assist when I need to conserve battery on a climb, without compromising top end speed.

It's great you have had a good experience with Linkglide. I did not. I want fast snappy shifting. The ramps are just too far apart for me on the Linkglide cassettes. And it has been the difference between stalling on a climb, when I wasn't in the correct gear, and quickly pulling the correct gear and not having to put a foot down. And I guess that's why we see it differently.

12 speed is just too tight tolerances for wind mud around here. We did an enduro race in horrific mud conditions, my boy had a sponsered bike with electric GX transmission. The smallest gets would clog up every run and the bike would skip and stop shifting. I bought a brush like a massive tooth brush and had to de-clog the gears after every run. Yet my link glide kept on trucking......

It was horrendous conditions. I am envious of people who have mild conditions that dont wear out drive trains or render them useless. We also have sticks and fines that tear deraileurs to bits as well. So running expensive E deraileurs of any brand becomes a very very expensive exercise when they a destroyed regularly.

 

[HandsomeDanNZ]

2 things.

1) That's a mechanical derailleur and Jase was asking about Di2. The Di2 derailleur is not $167NZD.

I only paid $129NZD for my XT Di2 derailleur from Hyperride. M8150, not the very latest, but Di2 and fully compatible with Shimano eMTB motors and a very solid drivetrain.

 

[Astro66]

I only paid $129NZD for my XT Di2 derailleur from Hyperride. M8150, not the very latest, but Di2 and fully compatible with Shimano eMTB motors and a very solid drivetrain.

Jase is running a Levo so doesn't have a Shimano Motor. He'll need the new Bluetooth derailleur.

 

[Astro66]

Hi,

If you had a choice to run one of these on your eMTB, which would it be and why?

Shimano XT Deore Hyperglide+
Shimano XT Linkglide
SRAM GX Eagle

I've got an option to select one of these for my bike.

Thanks!

Hopefully the discussion above shows the differing transmissions, with the plus and minuses

 

[Joecrow]

We also have sticks and fines that tear deraileurs to bits as well. So running expensive E deraileurs of any brand becomes a very very expensive exercise when they a destroyed regularly.

Sounds like a bike with an MGU would be the way to go for you, best of both worlds, electronic shifting without a deraulleur, cassette or chain.

 

[Plummet]

Sounds like a bike with an MGU would be the way to go for you, best of both worlds, electronic shifting without a deraulleur, cassette or chain.

Ill be interested when its light enough ie 22kg for full power with 600wh battery bike and the motor unit is as refined as current motor offerings.

Currently they are too heavy and too undefined. Maybe in a few more years time they'll get there.

 

[High Rock Ruti]

Bit of a revival of an old thread, but currently have SRAM X01 on my Gen3 Levo.
Older bike now and the price of cassettes is high. Was thinking of going linkglide with Di2?
Anyone running this and thoughts?
Have Hope Pro5 E hubs so will have to change the freewheel. Normally run the inserts so is weight an issue?

High Rock Ruti

Tried the linkglide started jumping cogs at about 300 miles, BUT it does cost a lot less!

Warm Regards Ruti

 

[Astro66]

Tried the linkglide started jumping cogs at about 300 miles, BUT it does cost a lot less!

Never experienced that with the Linkglide. Check the new shift cable hasn't stretched a little, or maybe you have bent the hanger. It's easy to do. But also easy to fix.