Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...

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Do we have confirmation that the removable battery for the new Levo will load from the side (as opposed to under the downtube like the Brose concept bike)? Hopefully they can keep the design stealthy where the bike is less obvious as an ebike to ward off the detractor trial encounters with hikers and the analog crowd.
 
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Do we have confirmation that the removable battery for the new Levo will load from the side (as opposed to under the downtube like the Brose concept bike)? Hopefully they can keep the design stealthy where the bike is less obvious as an ebike to ward off the detractor trial encounters with hikers and the analog crowd.
We dont have confirmation on anything bike spec related if you read thru the thread.
 
Well if it’s side load I really really hope they have taken learnings from Trek with the battery covers that have come out mid downhill ride.

Also keen to see battery security.
It appears on the new Trek rail that all you need is a 6mm Allen key & 5 seconds to walk away with someone’s battery
 
All the actual details are here.
Side load battery is one of them .
I saw what chatGPT said about the rumors, I hope it's wrong about the travel - those specs need to be taken to rough all-out enduro trails as well, given the possibilities these new capacities and motors create!
 
Here’s what grok thinks probably a lot has come from here:

Since the Specialized Turbo Levo Gen 4 has not been officially released or detailed as of March 22, 2025, any specs for it remain speculative. However, based on trends in the eMTB industry, Specialized’s past Levo iterations, and chatter from enthusiast forums, we can make some educated guesses about what the Gen 4 might offer. Specialized tends to refine their designs incrementally while pushing boundaries in motor performance, battery capacity, and geometry adjustability, so let’s break it down:


Frame and Suspension


  • Material: Likely to remain a FACT 11m carbon fiber frame for high-end models (like the Pro or S-Works), with an alloy option for more affordable trims (e.g., Comp Alloy). Specialized has stuck with this approach for weight savings and stiffness.
  • Travel: The Gen 3 Levo has 150mm rear and 160mm front travel (mullet setup). The Gen 4 might stick with this for its “do-it-all” versatility, though some speculate a bump to 160mm rear travel to compete with newer enduro-focused eMTBs like the Orbea Wild or Pivot Shuttle AM.
  • Geometry: Expect continued use of S-Sizing (S1–S6) with adjustable geometry via flip chips and headset cups. The Gen 4 could refine this further, possibly offering a slacker head angle (around 63–64°) or shorter chainstays (closer to 440mm) for improved agility, aligning with modern trail/enduro trends.

Motor


  • Current Gen 3: Uses the Turbo Full Power 2.2 motor with 90 Nm torque and 565 watts peak power.
  • Gen 4 Possibilities: Rumors suggest a shift to a new Brose motor (e.g., the Drive 3 Peak with 95 Nm torque and 410% pedal assist) for better reliability and power, as Specialized has historically partnered with Brose. Alternatively, they might tweak their in-house motor to hit 100–110 Nm torque and 600+ watts, keeping it quiet and smooth—key Levo traits. A lighter, more efficient design is also plausible to reduce the bulky bottom bracket look.

Battery


  • Current Gen 3: 700 Wh standard, removable.
  • Gen 4 Prediction: A bump to 750–800 Wh seems likely, following industry trends (e.g., Bosch’s 800 Wh packs). Some forum rumors even suggest an 880 Wh option with a 250 Wh range extender, though that might be ambitious. The battery will almost certainly stay integrated and removable, with a focus on better weight distribution.

Wheels and Tires


  • Wheel Size: The mullet setup (29” front, 27.5” rear) is a Levo hallmark and likely to continue, though a flip-chip for dual 29” compatibility could be added for versatility.
  • Tires: Expect Roval Traverse wheels with Specialized Butcher/Eliminator tires, possibly upgrading to GRID Gravity casing for durability over the current GRID Trail spec on some models.

Components


  • Drivetrain: High-end models might feature SRAM’s T-Type Transmission (e.g., X0 Eagle) as seen on some Gen 3 bikes, with mid-range sticking to SX or NX Eagle 12-speed.
  • Brakes: Likely SRAM Code or Maven series, with 200mm rotors for stopping power.
  • Dropper Post: BikeYoke Revive or Fox Transfer, possibly up to 200mm drop on larger sizes (current max is 185mm on some builds).
  • Suspension: FOX Factory or RockShox Ultimate (e.g., 36 fork, X2 or Super Deluxe rear shock), with custom RX tuning.

Weight


  • Current Gen 3: Around 22–24 kg (48–53 lbs) depending on spec.
  • Gen 4 Estimate: Likely similar, 22–25 kg, unless a major motor/battery redesign shaves weight. Lightweight isn’t the Levo’s focus—power and range are.

Tech Features


  • Display: The MasterMind TCU (integrated top-tube display) will probably get a refresh—perhaps a larger, color screen with more data (e.g., jump stats from the Levo SL).
  • App Integration: Enhanced Specialized app features, like MicroTune power adjustment in finer increments or auto-shifting tied to SRAM’s ecosystem.
  • Extras: SWAT tool in the steerer tube is a lock to return, possibly with added frame storage (a la Stumpjumper’s downtube compartment).

Price


  • Current Gen 3: $6,400–$13,000 USD depending on model.
  • Gen 4 Guess: Expect a 10–20% bump—$7,000–$15,000 USD—reflecting inflation and tech upgrades, with discounts on Gen 3 stock pushing buyers to decide.

Timing and Context


The Gen 3 launched in 2021, and Specialized typically runs a 3–4 year cycle. With 2025 here and no Gen 4 yet, a late 2025 or early 2026 reveal seems plausible, especially as competitors like Trek (Fuel EXe) and Giant (Trance X E+) up the ante. Forum buzz (e.g., EMTB Forums) points to a spring announcement, but nothing’s confirmed.


Wildcard Speculation


Some dream big: a dual-battery setup (switchable 540/800 Wh like Norco), a belt-driven motor for silence, or even a radical frame redesign (e.g., no sidearm, like the Levo SL). These are less likely but reflect what fans hope for.


In summary, the Levo Gen 4 will likely refine the Gen 3 formula: a bit more power (95–110 Nm), a bigger battery (750–800 Wh), tweaked geometry, and the same premium ride quality. Without official leaks, this is a best-guess based on Specialized’s track record and market direction. What do you think—any specific upgrades you’re hoping for?
 
To be honest a kenevo 29er with the option to add a spare battery and/or smaller main battery with similar capacity but smaller form factor to fit it in a backpack would already be nice

Edit: make it 6k for the alloy version and me happy
 
Here’s what grok thinks probably a lot has come from here:

Since the Specialized Turbo Levo Gen 4 has not been officially released or detailed as of March 22, 2025, any specs for it remain speculative. However, based on trends in the eMTB industry, Specialized’s past Levo iterations, and chatter from enthusiast forums, we can make some educated guesses about what the Gen 4 might offer. Specialized tends to refine their designs incrementally while pushing boundaries in motor performance, battery capacity, and geometry adjustability, so let’s break it down:


Frame and Suspension


  • Material: Likely to remain a FACT 11m carbon fiber frame for high-end models (like the Pro or S-Works), with an alloy option for more affordable trims (e.g., Comp Alloy). Specialized has stuck with this approach for weight savings and stiffness.
  • Travel: The Gen 3 Levo has 150mm rear and 160mm front travel (mullet setup). The Gen 4 might stick with this for its “do-it-all” versatility, though some speculate a bump to 160mm rear travel to compete with newer enduro-focused eMTBs like the Orbea Wild or Pivot Shuttle AM.
  • Geometry: Expect continued use of S-Sizing (S1–S6) with adjustable geometry via flip chips and headset cups. The Gen 4 could refine this further, possibly offering a slacker head angle (around 63–64°) or shorter chainstays (closer to 440mm) for improved agility, aligning with modern trail/enduro trends.

Motor


  • Current Gen 3: Uses the Turbo Full Power 2.2 motor with 90 Nm torque and 565 watts peak power.
  • Gen 4 Possibilities: Rumors suggest a shift to a new Brose motor (e.g., the Drive 3 Peak with 95 Nm torque and 410% pedal assist) for better reliability and power, as Specialized has historically partnered with Brose. Alternatively, they might tweak their in-house motor to hit 100–110 Nm torque and 600+ watts, keeping it quiet and smooth—key Levo traits. A lighter, more efficient design is also plausible to reduce the bulky bottom bracket look.

Battery


  • Current Gen 3: 700 Wh standard, removable.
  • Gen 4 Prediction: A bump to 750–800 Wh seems likely, following industry trends (e.g., Bosch’s 800 Wh packs). Some forum rumors even suggest an 880 Wh option with a 250 Wh range extender, though that might be ambitious. The battery will almost certainly stay integrated and removable, with a focus on better weight distribution.

Wheels and Tires


  • Wheel Size: The mullet setup (29” front, 27.5” rear) is a Levo hallmark and likely to continue, though a flip-chip for dual 29” compatibility could be added for versatility.
  • Tires: Expect Roval Traverse wheels with Specialized Butcher/Eliminator tires, possibly upgrading to GRID Gravity casing for durability over the current GRID Trail spec on some models.

Components


  • Drivetrain: High-end models might feature SRAM’s T-Type Transmission (e.g., X0 Eagle) as seen on some Gen 3 bikes, with mid-range sticking to SX or NX Eagle 12-speed.
  • Brakes: Likely SRAM Code or Maven series, with 200mm rotors for stopping power.
  • Dropper Post: BikeYoke Revive or Fox Transfer, possibly up to 200mm drop on larger sizes (current max is 185mm on some builds).
  • Suspension: FOX Factory or RockShox Ultimate (e.g., 36 fork, X2 or Super Deluxe rear shock), with custom RX tuning.

Weight


  • Current Gen 3: Around 22–24 kg (48–53 lbs) depending on spec.
  • Gen 4 Estimate: Likely similar, 22–25 kg, unless a major motor/battery redesign shaves weight. Lightweight isn’t the Levo’s focus—power and range are.

Tech Features


  • Display: The MasterMind TCU (integrated top-tube display) will probably get a refresh—perhaps a larger, color screen with more data (e.g., jump stats from the Levo SL).
  • App Integration: Enhanced Specialized app features, like MicroTune power adjustment in finer increments or auto-shifting tied to SRAM’s ecosystem.
  • Extras: SWAT tool in the steerer tube is a lock to return, possibly with added frame storage (a la Stumpjumper’s downtube compartment).

Price


  • Current Gen 3: $6,400–$13,000 USD depending on model.
  • Gen 4 Guess: Expect a 10–20% bump—$7,000–$15,000 USD—reflecting inflation and tech upgrades, with discounts on Gen 3 stock pushing buyers to decide.

Timing and Context


The Gen 3 launched in 2021, and Specialized typically runs a 3–4 year cycle. With 2025 here and no Gen 4 yet, a late 2025 or early 2026 reveal seems plausible, especially as competitors like Trek (Fuel EXe) and Giant (Trance X E+) up the ante. Forum buzz (e.g., EMTB Forums) points to a spring announcement, but nothing’s confirmed.


Wildcard Speculation


Some dream big: a dual-battery setup (switchable 540/800 Wh like Norco), a belt-driven motor for silence, or even a radical frame redesign (e.g., no sidearm, like the Levo SL). These are less likely but reflect what fans hope for.


In summary, the Levo Gen 4 will likely refine the Gen 3 formula: a bit more power (95–110 Nm), a bigger battery (750–800 Wh), tweaked geometry, and the same premium ride quality. Without official leaks, this is a best-guess based on Specialized’s track record and market direction. What do you think—any specific upgrades you’re hoping
You put a lot of effort into it. Someone actually already posted everything the Levo 4 has to offer. Pretty accurately and correctly ;) A few pages back and you can see what awaits us. Whether you like sideloading or not, there's no need to ask if it's coming, yes, this thing has it. I don't think it's that great...but that's how it is with preferences. At least the switch is easier. LT is off the table for now, which is a shame for me, too. Overall, it's going to be a cool bike.
 
You put a lot of effort into it. Someone actually already posted everything the Levo 4 has to offer. Pretty accurately and correctly ;) A few pages back and you can see what awaits us. Whether you like sideloading or not, there's no need to ask if it's coming, yes, this thing has it. I don't think it's that great...but that's how it is with preferences. At least the switch is easier. LT is off the table for now, which is a shame for me, too. Overall, it's going to be a cool bike.
I looked at the last few pages I’m not seeing a summary. Can you tell me which page. I have been trying to keep up with this thread but it’s hard since there is so much off topic discussion. And I have only followed since page 30.
 
I looked at the last few pages I’m not seeing a summary. Can you tell me which page. I have been trying to keep up with this thread but it’s hard since there is so much off topic discussion. And I have only followed since page 30.
Maybe this one, hopefully we get a few leaks after the sales rep intro tomorrow.

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I saw the latest video from Toffer today, his slightly modified Amflow (I hope he only borrowed that wheelchair) also weighs >22kg. So what?

Look at this naughty boy,he wrote the forbidden word again, ban him from the internetz right now. :ROFLMAO:

Just kidding, i don't really care, i'm just here for the fun, its gonna be a sad day when the new Levo arrive, and this topic dies out...but we might get a new ones, like my new belt less brose motor just died 3rd time in a month, should i get an Amflow? :LOL:
 
I saw the latest video from Toffer today, his slightly modified Amflow (I hope he only borrowed that wheelchair) also weighs >22kg. So what?

This is what I exactly want to say, when you put on that chinese thing Fox 38 and DH casing tires you are over 22kgs, just like gen2/3 levo so theres no weight advantage.
 
Not long now, so we'll lift the A M F L O W ban.

Lets just keep Amflow/Avinox/DJI specific discussion in those particular threads to avoid boring everyone senseless.

Obviously comparison discussions are fine here.

All users who are already banned from this thread will have their bands rescinded.
 
I'm going to wait to see what the levo is like and if it's too expensive or slightly bland I'm jumping ship to the Santa Cruz vala or maybe the new bullet, the vala definitely ticks alot of boxes, Bosch motor very good brakes, very good wheels and the reviews are very good so far
 
I'm going to wait to see what the levo is like and if it's too expensive or slightly bland I'm jumping ship to the Santa Cruz vala or maybe the new bullet, the vala definitely ticks alot of boxes, Bosch motor very good brakes, very good wheels and the reviews are very good so far
Same here but there are rumors that YT is working on a new model with a Bosch motor as well. It might be worth waiting!
 
For me, the new Levo would need to have at least 700 watts of peak power. Preferably more. Otherwise I'll get something like a discounted G3 Levo Comp Carbon to use this season until Amflow is available locally.
 
You put a lot of effort into it. Someone actually already posted everything the Levo 4 has to offer. Pretty accurately and correctly ;) A few pages back and you can see what awaits us. Whether you like sideloading or not, there's no need to ask if it's coming, yes, this thing has it. I don't think it's that great...but that's how it is with preferences. At least the switch is easier. LT is off the table for now, which is a shame for me, too. Overall, it's going to be a cool bike.
I agree, biggest disappointment in the "rumors" is no LT option such a waste if they're investing so much into such a hyped bike that cannot just be "gen5"ed next year, add the option for a full powered KSL
 
A bit off topic but it really shows the problems in the industry if the discounts on the Vala are as reported here (20-35% off !!!). I can't recall a new bike with the latest motor tech and such great reviews being discounted like that ...
Maybe we all need to wait a bit with the Levo and see what the pricing looks like in a few months ??
 
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