Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...

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why? thats fucking stupid. range extender should be empty first, like on the rise, so it can go back to the backpack. who wants to change the weight distribution of the bike and general handling for 90% of the riding?
If I understand correctly, the power is reduced (at least on the LEVO SL) as soon as the battery reaches the 20% mark, regardless of whether it's the internal battery or the RE.
This means that if I use the RE first and then the internal battery, I go through the 20% limit twice and have the power loss twice. So it makes sense to use the batteries in parallel...
 
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the sl is different to the rise, yet still better than the bosch. with the rise, i could remove the re when i had about 60% combined capacity (re goes empty first), with the sl this takes longer as both empty together. if bosch uses power of the re up to 10% main battery, then its not the same amount from both batteries which sounds dumb af to me
 
2025 Levo will have an ~850WH battery with an optional 250~300WH range extender. The battery will be modular and can be taken out from the side of the frame, allowing for quick swaps, there will also be no drag when running no battery. There will also be a 600WH option to save weight.

The normal models will come with 100NM of Torque. The S-works model will have 111NM of Torque.

The S-works will be priced around $18,000.

Release will be early to mid april.
This is a shame, from what i am told the new bike has been ready for same time like Q3 last year, but they are concerned that dealers still have a lot of stock of the current range to move. Waiting this long is a mistake IMO.
 
what does a company do in that situation I wonder? They can't afford to just sit still forever and wait for everything to sell from old stock - their company will become irrelevant, stuck in a point in time of development, with other brands releasing new products.

But if they release the new bike earlier, they are looking at taking a loss on the old stock or perhaps even recouping some of the loss by breaking the bikes back into components and using for warranty etc?

Perhaps they'll have to become the latest "boris bikes" in london!
 
what does a company do in that situation I wonder? They can't afford to just sit still forever and wait for everything to sell from old stock - their company will become irrelevant, stuck in a point in time of development, with other brands releasing new products.

But if they release the new bike earlier, they are looking at taking a loss on the old stock or perhaps even recouping some of the loss by breaking the bikes back into components and using for warranty etc?

Perhaps they'll have to become the latest "boris bikes" in london!
Simple, they’re a US based company. They can take a massive loss on their leftover inventory, claim those losses on their taxes and get back 95% of the money. The US tax code is extremely generous to businesses if you have a good accountant, I’m sure Spesh has a decent one.
 
what does a company do in that situation I wonder? They can't afford to just sit still forever and wait for everything to sell from old stock - their company will become irrelevant, stuck in a point in time of development, with other brands releasing new products.

But if they release the new bike earlier, they are looking at taking a loss on the old stock or perhaps even recouping some of the loss by breaking the bikes back into components and using for warranty etc?

Perhaps they'll have to become the latest "boris bikes" in london!
Lower the prices. The bike industry's lack of will to adapt to the current market is already putting companies out of business. The average person is facing a massive cost of living increase over the last 2-3 years meanwhile manufactures have price insane jumps every year. $18k for a new S works Levo? Are they nuts? At that price a comp spec is gonna be near $10K. They have left reality.
 
$18k for a new S works Levo?
That's only $162.162162162162 recuring per nm !

If an existing s-works is about €14500 and has 90nm then that's $161.11111111 recuring per nm.

So effectively, if that's how they've worked out their pricing - then it's virtually exactly the same as it was !! Take into account inflation and you have a veritable bargain !! :)
 
Lower the prices. The bike industry's lack of will to adapt to the current market is already putting companies out of business. The average person is facing a massive cost of living increase over the last 2-3 years meanwhile manufactures have price insane jumps every year. $18k for a new S works Levo? Are they nuts? At that price a comp spec is gonna be near $10K. They have left reality.

At those prices there is probably still a limited market there but I can't see all the not rich/regular riders swapping out their levos for 8K GBP comps.
 
In Spain it is the latest Levo SL the one that has bigger disccounts right now, bigger than the current Levo . It could mean they are worried that new Levo could be so similar to the current SL in terms of weight and look and feel but with an stronger motor that customers prefer it the new Levo SL as soon as they release it. Kenevo SL has not such disccounts either. My point is that new Levo could go in the direction of a capable all mountain rather than an hard enduro bike.
 
In Spain it is the latest Levo SL the one that has bigger disccounts right now, bigger than the current Levo . It could mean they are worried that new Levo could be so similar to the current SL in terms of weight and look and feel but with an stronger motor that customers prefer it the new Levo SL as soon as they release it. Kenevo SL has not such disccounts either. My point is that new Levo could go in the direction of a capable all mountain rather than an hard enduro bike.
The SLs were a hard sell here in Uk and were discounted from the off, the SPZ store i use said that they were a pointless bike, have to agree. I had a go on one thought it was rubbish the motor was so loud, and the power was just pointless. Dont think they are holding back for SLs, still a good few few S works Levos around that have been selling well at discounted prices.
 
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Hope the display looks like this... could be off the shelf with a spec branding... and neat battery... could fit a extra in my backpack for longer races

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tbh i dont need more power , id buy a motor bike if that was the case ,more range would be my priority
Sadly, it’s not about what you want.

It’s marketing, bigger power figures WILL sell more bikes.

You can still buy a bike with big power and run it in a low mode, to achieve a greater distance if that’s your thing.
 
oopps sorry , master of marketing , didnt know i was on the apprentice :oops: just expressing an opinion , and btw imho i dont think that it will , most of the people that express an interest in buying an E bike that i talk to dont even mention power , all they are interested in is , how far and how long , i think that range is far more imprtant to people than power , unless you are Jeremy clarkson
 
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Sadly, it’s not about what you want.

It’s marketing, bigger power figures WILL sell more bikes.

You can still buy a bike with big power and run it in a low mode, to achieve a greater distance if that’s your thing.
That's what I do most of the time ... my Peak Power is usually set to 85% as I value range over power.
 
oopps sorry , master of marketing , didnt know i was on the apprentice :oops: just expressing an opinion , and btw imho i dont think that it will , most of the people that express an interest in buying an E bike that i talk to dont even mention power , all they are interested in is , how far and how long , i think that range is far more imprtant to people than power , unless you are Jeremy clarkson
I’m with you on this… my current Levo I rarely leave eco mode as I do big rides.

Odd occasion I might put it into trail or turbo but probably for 30 secs max.. I do not need more power at all. Give me an internal 900wh though!!
 
If I understand correctly, the power is reduced (at least on the LEVO SL) as soon as the battery reaches the 20% mark, regardless of whether it's the internal battery or the RE.
This means that if I use the RE first and then the internal battery, I go through the 20% limit twice and have the power loss twice. So it makes sense to use the batteries in parallel...
The power is reduced at a low charge at all systems to protect the cells that are at a low voltage at this point, I would be suspicious of a system that does not do this.
This is most probably the idea why the Bosch system works in parallel(dual mode).
If the batterys share the load, they heat up less(are more efficient) and so the whole system works more efficiently.
 
2025 Levo will have an ~850WH battery with an optional 250~300WH range extender. The battery will be modular and can be taken out from the side of the frame, allowing for quick swaps, there will also be no drag when running no battery. There will also be a 600WH option to save weight.

The normal models will come with 100NM of Torque. The S-works model will have 111NM of Torque.

The S-works will be priced around $18,000.

Release will be early to mid april.

This information all looks credible to me.
 
It's optional as far as I know, and a range extender on it's own is really weak to consistently power a FF ebike. Probably the name 》range extender 《 says that it's not meant for trail riding, but to extend range, so more for the long days in the wilderness, at the end it's personal choice...

Broke the thread a bit with this🙆‍♂️ back to the Levo shall we ✌️😉

Any leaks in sight

tbh i dont need more power , id buy a motor bike if that was the case ,more range would be my priority
...so, I don't think you've quite grasped the ‘eMTB concept’ yet. If your idea is to get as much battery capacity back home as possible and engine power doesn't matter, then that's a nice toy for you. But if you take the approach that the engine power represents the technical limit of what can be achieved uphill, then your statement that ‘you don't need more powerful engines’ is incomprehensible.
I think both approaches are legitimate – but to say that you don't need more engine power seems amateurish to me...
 
no i think youre missing the point ,amateurish pmsl , you are right i dont get paid to ride my bike , do you ?? my point is I DONT NEED ANY MORE POWER to get up the terrain that i use around here , and tbh there wont be many steeper climbs around the country , what there is out there is ample , if you need more power buy a motor bike , i would prefer more range , but to say you need more power to me is pointless because there comes a point where it becomes unusable. you arent Jeremy Clarkson , are you ??? ohhh i love a good debate !!
 
...so, I don't think you've quite grasped the ‘eMTB concept’ yet. If your idea is to get as much battery capacity back home as possible and engine power doesn't matter, then that's a nice toy for you. But if you take the approach that the engine power represents the technical limit of what can be achieved uphill, then your statement that ‘you don't need more powerful engines’ is incomprehensible.
I think both approaches are legitimate – but to say that you don't need more engine power seems amateurish to me...
With skill 85nm is plenty

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I think both approaches are legitimate – but to say that you don't need more engine power seems amateurish to me...
1st, it's not an engine; it's a motor.
2nd, calling someone amateurish just because they don't want (need) more power seems condescending to me.
 
It’s always interesting when people assume that because something works for them, it should work for everyone. We all ride for different reasons, and what I value in an e-bike might be different from what you prioritize. More power might not matter to you, but that doesn’t mean it’s pointless for others. And while skill is important, dismissing power as unnecessary overlooks the fact that different riders, terrains, and riding styles can all benefit from it in their own ways.
 
It’s always interesting when people assume that because something works for them, it should work for everyone.

This why so many people like the Rail+ and Levo, they are jack of all trade bikes but master of none.

All the top bikes will have triple digit Nm, even the Gen5 Bosch after its next software update and new sceen release.
 
I think this forum struggles between ‘E-MounTain Bike’ and ‘E-MoTor Bike’ at times.

I don’t care if some people want ever higher power EMTBs, but I don’t want every major new release to be the result of some kind of power arms race.

There’s more to mountain biking (even the e-type) than power.
 
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