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That's exactly what I thought.
As far as I'm aware, an electric 3 phase (AC) motor running from a DC source is around 80-85% efficient and so the battery draw is always 15-20% more than the actual output, whilst output at the crankshaft (not the chainring) is not easily measured. Back in the real world a 1000W motor would measure somewhere in the 800-850W output presuming no drivetrain losses (near impossible). And then there's battery sag....when the battery amperage draw cannot keep up with the motors demand (example a constant 30 amp) so again the power will drop off as the battery fails to meet the motors draw, the higher the expected draw (in amps) the more the battery sag becomes a problem over extended time.
Altho I have ridden my Levo SL on most trails at the Whistler Bike Park, I would not recommend taking a trail bike on most trails there let alone an emtb.
Well I should hope so for a bike that costs that much! I guess you could also add that if you ride an emtb with that much power at Whistler, it makes it look like the video is sped up! I have watched 100s of hours of WBP videos and have never seen anyone (well maybe Danny Hart) ride those trails that fast.
.Does anyone know if there's enough clearance for a larger chainring please?
In FAQs stated 32-36. I will go to 32 for better clearance on rocky tech sections. I run mullet.
Yea, I've noticed many reviews lacked critical distance way more even if it were influencers. Like it came close to shilling the stuff openly.Hay folks new here but not to DJI.
This is one of my first posts for those who will notice but it's relevent as I have been around DJI since 2012.
For some context I have flown drones and even actually used to beta test for DJI and helped run their social groups in the early days. However this don't make me a "fanboy" and frankly there is a lot of bad I can and will say.
I'm just looking to get into EMTB and I was following the DJI Avinox launch really closely, in fact we thought it was was a new drone from the early leaks
Anyhow it's going to be interesting to see how DJI get on however I come with some warnings. Initially I expected DJIs behavor to be outside the norm of the EMTB industry around service and support however having spent the week reading about Bosch and Shimano's games on parts and support and service actually I think DJI will fit right in.
However the warnings should be said nonetheless.
DJI as a company model them selves on Apple and over the years have transioned from being a components company to one that now sells solutions.
In the early days DJI's customer support was horrific as was their product reliability however today they are right up there with the likes of Apple and Sony for build quality but they still have some pretty bad practices.
For starters you wont get parts from DJI period. They do not list or sell spares and they refuses to sell parts to comsumers directly. They keep a very tight control on their dealers and only official service centers can get parts. They even make it hard to get replacement accessories at times. Things that should be available like fixings or antennas ect.
DJI also have a very fast development cycle and while it's slower today than in the past as they used to release new models every 6 months they are renowned for not supporting 1st/last gen products in the longer term. There are DJI drones you can't buy consumables for such as batteries for models that are only a few years old.
DJIs history is litterd with products that had some bad issues that were never fixed or promises that were never kept.
Also DJI don't admit to makimg mistakes or errors, release notes and software updates are often lacking any real detail and DJI are widly known for ignoring critical issues untill it really grabs media attention. They never admit to a fault even when it's a serious issue such as drones falling from the sky due to badly written firmware and when they do release updates they simply say "fixed some known bugs"
With regards to the new fray into ebikes this is actually right up their street technically however expect to see some typical behavor from them.
DJI usually start with a high end
product at the top of the market that's usually very feature rich but expensive.
DJI then use the income from sales of this from early adopters to fund the initial development and then a little later down the line release a more budget friendly model with 90% of the main features of the first one. This second product also often resolves the issues that inevitably come to light after the initial product release and early adopters are often left stranded.
DJIs products today are much more reliable than in the past however they often make silly mistakes or design choices that later come back to haunt them or the user.
There is a hell of a lot more I could say but that's just a insight to someone who has been around them very closely and used their products for years. They will come in with a bang and expect them to be splashing the cash to KOls and the media to get the message out. Also expect them to be offering people decent affiate income on bike sales as well to "encourage" positive reviews.
DJI are an apex predator in the industries they are in and when they join a new one they start to aim to take total dominance, they did it with drones, they have now basically done it with action cameras and it seems this is next.
What I will say is don't expect DJI to come in and shake things up with regards to how Bosch and others are behaving and in fact id go as far as to say they will be worse.
Super interesting times though.
Mad.
Interesting points. However to add some balance, I have never been offered affiliate incentive (or spoken to anyone in the media who has) been offered any kind of incentive or affiliate agreement to promote / sell these DJI bikes for any kind of kickback or commission on sales.
Chances are it's early days yet for this side of things and they don't really have enough products in the space, Also I'm not saying you are receiving anything my point is how DJI have and do behave. They are insanely aggressive once they decide to get into a market. And right now they are somewhat desperate.
Good rider, but doesn't look smart to me... Unknown chinese carbon frame that is known to be optimized for low weight (ie. skimped on layup) that no-one would touch unless attached to this new motor being now ridden in proper bike park. I hope that people stay healthy and we don't see any catastrophic failures when these bikes become more common and people start casing jumps.
You are correct but Have any other brands confirmed future bikes with the Avinox system or launched yet ?
When you say drones are a very different financial proposition don't get hooked into thinking everything is a few hundred quid. The basic cheap consumers models are sub £500 but anythingneven starting to be decent is over £1k and DJI's higher end models in the consumer space are £3-4K and pro models £10k upwards.
I've had a great relationship with Camden Cycles in Sydney Australia, who are a Amflow dealer. They have been nothing but exemplary with looking after bikes I have bought from them. I would expect the Amflow to be no different.
100% and honesty it will take years and I mean years before all this really starts to play out. The advise is free and it's an insight people in this industry won't have. I actually worked closely with them for a number of years as I actually setup a number of their Facebook groups. These days I just run my own channel as a hobby and provide info and technical information and analysis on many of their drones and camera products as well as using them.I've had a great relationship with Camden Cycles in Sydney Australia, who are a Amflow dealer. They have been nothing but exemplary with looking after bikes I have bought from them. I would expect the Amflow to be no different.
They are a Specialised and Giant dealer. I bought a Giant Talon from them. I would be extremely surprised if they would take on the Amflow dealership, if there was any chance of tarnishing their very good reputation
I have been in to talk to them about the Amflow, and they have only good things to say about the information coming out of DJI.
So whilst I appreciate your drone experience and joining this forum today to express your drone experience. Once again I will defer to the people I trust in the EMTB world. Which is people like Rob and other reputable long standing EMTB journo's. And also my local bike store like Camden Cycles, who have earned my trust through nearly 50 years of servicing the local bike industry.
That said. If you get some experience with the Amflow bike. I would love to hear it.
