Levo Gen 4 Levo Gen 4 Rumours and some facts...
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Santa Cruz alway launch on a Tuesday, so maybe tomorrowAnd the not so secret SC Vala
The bosch gen 5 embargo date ends today, so must be all related to that
I thought exactly the same thing. The problem of the SL was that they just changed some spec on the paper in the hope to have more competitive product…. But in reality. The SL bike is not in the game.. I hope they won’t to do the same with the Levo GEN 4….
New Cube bikes also
Think the new Cube range was already unveiled last week or the week before. They are up on websites already.
sluette
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Bosch Gen5 looks interesting, the rest of the launchings is disappointing for me… I hopped to see some Levo competitors …
I'm surprised by how large the downtube is on most of the new Bosch Gen 5 bikes (e.g. new TREK Rail). New bikes presented today do not seem to offer big improvements. Taking a step back and the time to work on (hopefully) a new banger product feels like the right move from Spesh.
xtraman122
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I was surprised by the shape of the battery on the new Bosch as well, still very wide. Figured more people would be following the path of Amflow and others with the skinny long battery for a more normal looking downtube.
xtraman122
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True, it’s probably much harder for manufacturers to conform to as well. You probably have to get the people designing the frame and the people making the battery in the same room together to make those skinny things that integrate really well.
sluette
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sethimus
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and that‘s the reason why orbea et al with custom batteries have much lighter bikes in their portfolioGood approach! Sure they never thought about this before…
sluette
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We maybe will see later today
sethimus
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have there been bosch bikes with custom batteries so far?
dont know if the santa cruz has a custom battery, its the only one of the new bikes with a not removal battery.
sethimus
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santa had no self developed battery so far, they used darfon
electricbogaloo
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Bosch only sells the complete system and doesn't allow custom batteries which is the reason many brands use shimano for their first ebike as Bosch also only deals with companies who buy the whole system and big numbers.
Exactly! From a weight and handling perspective large intube batteries are way worse than external batteries. That's also the reason that specialized rotated the motor and the battery is sliding out at the bottom of the frame. The optics are not ideal but the handling is better. If you want to know how bad a high center of gravity is try adding a frame bag hig in the front center and put some heavy stuff in it. The bike will be way harder to 'tip over' for small direction corrections on trails. Its even kinda dangerous because you'll be pushed off the ideal line and subsequently the whole trail way easier.
Exactly! From a weight and handling perspective large intube batteries are way worse than external batteries. That's also the reason that specialized rotated the motor and the battery is sliding out at the bottom of the frame. The optics are not ideal but the handling is better. If you want to know how bad a high center of gravity is try adding a frame bag hig in the front center and put some heavy stuff in it. The bike will be way harder to 'tip over' for small direction corrections on trails. Its even kinda dangerous because you'll be pushed off the ideal line and subsequently the whole trail way easier.
DuncanDoughnuts
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That Santa Cruz Vala with the 4bar is really adding complexity to my life. I think it's the best looking Santa Cruz so far.
Had an Intense 5.5, a Tallboy 2 and 3, and must say not a fan of the VPP link. This changes everything.
I see myself changing bike brands.
Had an Intense 5.5, a Tallboy 2 and 3, and must say not a fan of the VPP link. This changes everything.
I see myself changing bike brands.
electricbogaloo
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Wut? I think it looks pretty generic because of the 4 bar. There must be dozens of ebikes that have a similar frame and suspension design.
Plus its barely lighter while having a smaller, non-removable battery and less geometry tweak options.
Motor might be more reliable, efficient and powerful though.
Plus its barely lighter while having a smaller, non-removable battery and less geometry tweak options.
Motor might be more reliable, efficient and powerful though.
etoni
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As I have been saying for a long time, the levo gen3 is still the best package! Slim downtube 700w, mullet, best multi adjustable geometry and the best tcu. I think the gen4 package will be great.
DuncanDoughnuts
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I think is more a asthetheic personal things... I just love that look where the Shox is parallel to the seat tube....
etoni
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And remember, specialized has had a brose with belt system and auto shift for a long time "vado"... who knows if that belt and new brose engine will suddenly come in the levo gen4...
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The latest delay is a but unusual .. (it's already been delayed soooooooo many times).
It was so far ahead of the curve it was like "wow" ...
However, there have been advances from others and whilst not ground breaking, still bring offerings closer to the Gen4.
We had something similar with the SL2 - but that was mainly technical issues being addressed. Which was great that they'd rather delay and rectify any minor issues rather than customers have problems (though I think resulted in some missed bikes from the update process, hence a lot of weird early testing anomalies).
Therefore, they've either delayed to make some changes/deal with some additional development problems .. or it's financial/market based. Clear more stock now whilst it's slow anyway going into northern hemisphere winter without too much discounting and hope your product is still enough ahead of the game for the traditional EMTBers next spring to clear the crap loads of containers of bikes you must have sitting about by then.
That would be amazing. Major selling point for me as the chain / cassette is such a weak point, and I am tired of cleaning them!
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