I totally agree, full power motor with smaller battery doesn't make it into a Light weight, there has to be something more?
And why we wait for the press release!
I think a lite-weight or mid-power is 60nm or less. The new Orbea Wild FS is close to some "lite" emtbs in actual weight. And it has a 625w and Bosch CX motor. I also think as designs and battery tech improve. ebikes will only weigh less -n-less.Some interesting perspectives here on light weights. Are we saying that if a bike (any bike) comes in at around 18kg with FF motor it’s not at light weight because of the motor power ? Not provoking here just interested in your thoughts on it.
I think Weight - Power combo is a balancing act. Full power motor with small battery would make a bike lighter yet doesn’t have much riding time… could appeal to some I guess. Adversely, small motor with a very big battery (>900Wh) would mean carrying more weight but last forever… again could appeal to some. Interesting to see where each manufacturer interprets market tendencies.Some interesting perspectives here on light weights. Are we saying that if a bike (any bike) comes in at around 18kg with FF motor it’s not at light weight because of the motor power ? Not provoking here just interested in your thoughts on it.
Cool, for me it’s actual weight. I’d take FF light over mid power light all day. The wild is getting (actually love that bike) there but way to expensive for me to get to 20kg. Thanks for you input
18kg with PW-X3 would be nice.Some interesting perspectives here on light weights. Are we saying that if a bike (any bike) comes in at around 18kg with FF motor it’s not at light weight because of the motor power ? Not provoking here just interested in your thoughts on it.
Yup, I’m with you on that one
New is Torque settings. Usually lighter ebikes have less powerfull motor. You can setup that now in the app.It was 400% for Syncdrive Pro2 already, so thats nothing new
Release of EL Models is expected towards the end of this Month.
I know all of this. I just said you are wrong stating 400% is something with the latest update.Hey, scorp_jon is trying to tell you that there is a recently released update of the Giant Ridecontrol app that adds a lot of new functionality to the Syncdrive Pro 2 motor systems. ✌ Check my post in the Reign 22 forum.I dont understand what you arentrying to tell me.
But I had 400% before... Anyway. Have fun riding your bike guys 
TrueI know, have installed it myself already
Vice versa 
✌No read the post! THERE IS A NEW TORQUE SETTING TOO NOW. That wasn't available on the app before. I had to reinstall the app to get that setting to appear in the app menu.I know, have installed it myself already
www.giant-bicycles.com
You get the option and versatility...85nm or 20nm, with 400wh or even 650wh. Is up to you.
Are the batteries removable?
I'm not sure I'm following your battery info. It comes with an Energy pack 400. What are you saying about 650 and 1050? And what is this "normal" trance range? Are you saying this based on the torque setting essentially giving the battery more range? If so, that just throttles down battery consumption. IT doesn't give you 'more' battery and yes I understand the ride control app let's you change the torque settings from 20 to 85, that's why I said Giant should better promote the new app. Those new settings work on all 2022. I have a trance advanced e2 and I'm now using that app and experimenting with new torque and launch settings primarily to see how much increased range. And I wouldn't say a big battery and light bike aren't 'compatible'. Bigger batteries (and bigger motors) are heavier, yes but it's weight based, not a compatibility issue.
Adding a 250wh range extender battery to a 400wh = 650, or add to a 800wh = 1050
