YT DECOY - The loam wolf shredder winner
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Rich the gasman
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The pricing is just mental, spoke with 3 bike shops in NE and no one has sold a heckler yet. There’s a demand but it looks like it’s slowing down as the shops have more of the same e bikes sitting on the floor. If they can easily knock 15-20% of them then would love to know how much they actually pay for them.
The problem is there isn’t really any reason for anyone to pay major money for an EMTB, given that around the 5k mark whether from a shop or direct there are some amazing bikes, and there are a lot of bikes costing way more than that sitting on shop floors.
I have yet to ride a better EMTB than my Vitus E-Sommett, I have been lucky enough to put time on a lot of the top bikes and some are as fun to ride, but nothing that has made me reach for my wallet, and I am a serial bike buyer. I had a YT on order last year, but had a chance to ride one and cancelled the order, I liked it but was it offering anything over my Sommett? No - EMTB’s just haven’t progressed enough or jumped ahead in tech yet for me to consider another bike. The only bike that came close was the new Whyte e150rs, but the difficult to remove battery put me off.
The Sommett cost me 3.8k, they have got pricier this year, but with EMTB’s even more than regular bikes paying though the nose doesn’t mean your getting a better bike.
I have yet to ride a better EMTB than my Vitus E-Sommett, I have been lucky enough to put time on a lot of the top bikes and some are as fun to ride, but nothing that has made me reach for my wallet, and I am a serial bike buyer. I had a YT on order last year, but had a chance to ride one and cancelled the order, I liked it but was it offering anything over my Sommett? No - EMTB’s just haven’t progressed enough or jumped ahead in tech yet for me to consider another bike. The only bike that came close was the new Whyte e150rs, but the difficult to remove battery put me off.
The Sommett cost me 3.8k, they have got pricier this year, but with EMTB’s even more than regular bikes paying though the nose doesn’t mean your getting a better bike.
Hi,
The comments in this review regarding harsness over small rocks and roots, did they fiddle with the shock adding huge amounts of HSC/LSC or did YT do something? Read other reviews were they praised the plushness....
YT Decoy Pro Race Review - eBike Shootout Podium Placer!
The comments in this review regarding harsness over small rocks and roots, did they fiddle with the shock adding huge amounts of HSC/LSC or did YT do something? Read other reviews were they praised the plushness....
YT Decoy Pro Race Review - eBike Shootout Podium Placer!
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- #97
Given the 4 different adjustments on the grip 2 damper I'd say that its user error or faulty shock.
We are in the realm of marginal gains in terms of suspension and geometry and the YT geo has the right numbers in the right places.
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The issue is that none of the reviews say if it's the fork or rear shock.
Air has less small bump compliance than coil. Coil blows through the travel on unexpected larger than normal hits. Tyre PSI and side wall has more impact than any suspension on small bumps.
I'm of the opinion that bike reviewers are morons. Especially ones who dislike a bike and then like the following years bike where the bike is nearly identical.
Does the 2020 Decoy still come with a 2.8 tyre on the rear? Thats the first thing I would change, going to a 2.5 or 2.6 would sharpen up the handling as you just cant rail a 2.8 hard into a turn if its run at a lower pressure as you will burp it, and for me on a long travel rear end running a plus tyre makes rear suspension set up even more complex as you have such variables form the tyre behaviour.. I wonder if they where running different tyres, or had control tyres across the tests?
For me if doing bike comparisons it makes sense to put all the bikes on the same tyre if possible, as this alone can have a huge effect on the handling of a bike.
For example a 2019 Kenevo running smaller tyres to the stock 2.8's is almost like a completely different bike, a lot more direct, responsive and nimble to ride.
For me if doing bike comparisons it makes sense to put all the bikes on the same tyre if possible, as this alone can have a huge effect on the handling of a bike.
For example a 2019 Kenevo running smaller tyres to the stock 2.8's is almost like a completely different bike, a lot more direct, responsive and nimble to ride.
Martinintirol
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Well said!!Wow this has sure turned into a Specialized bashing thread
I have owned lots of Specialized bikes over the years and still own one (not a Levo .. it was not the right choice for where and how I ride).
I love the design and the engineering Specialized puts into their bikes … top notch .. BUT as many have noted, the only area I would suggest needs to be improved are the PRICES.
Reasoning: The concept of using House Brand parts .. such as Handlebars, Stems, dropper posts, wheelsets, tires, saddles, etc. should result in a LOWER price than the competition rather than higher. In the case of Specialized, MRSP prices are significantly higher than their competition and is one of the "things that make you go Mmmmmm"
IMO (and everybody's opinion is biased) .. Specialized (and arguably other large manufacturers ) should be following Giants example .. and if your going to spec your bikes with house branded parts .. then in theory you should be able to sell your bikes for LESS than the competition .. or at least in the same ballpark. Isn't that the point of using house branded parts?
I would never hesitate buying any brand of bike and certainly take every internet review with a "grain of salt".
I think in the end, bashing each others e-bikes is the same mentality as many Analog bike riders have towards e-bikes. We need to be less like them and embrace others who ride e-bikes ... irrelevant of brand
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Let’s not forget reviews are often times manipulated by money AKA advertising dollars!
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There are many assumptions though. Firstly your LBS might be a twat. Be broke or going out of business. Your contract is with that store. Would you feel comfortable making a store pay for a bad bike? As soon as your out of warranty then the store is your only recourse. It's only convenient if the store sorts the problem out using their own stock. A manufacturer might be just as slow sending a part to a store as direct to you.
In theory any warranty from a manufacturer would be 6 years if inside the EU. A small claims court claim against a manufacturer would likely result in a full new bike or a full refund. I would prefer that to a repair job for 2 years from purchase.
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Omg. I have just had an epiphany.
Doesnt the loam wolf have a tyre sponsor!!! This shootout all had the same tyres!!!
That's a massive testing difference from 2019!
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Doesnt change. Consumer act is UK law. Sell in the UK you are bound by those laws.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the warranty is direct with the manufacture, the shop just handles it - I dont think buying from an lbs or direct makes any difference to how a warranty will be dealt with, but buying via a good LBS might make things a lot quicker.
At the moment its only Specilized who allow shops to keep spare motors in stock, and give the shop the ability to change them if they think its a warranty issue - this is why the likes of Berkshire Cycles, Freeborn and Raceco can turn around a motor swap so quickly.
Currently Shimano and Bosch require a suspected faulty motor to be returned to them first for testing, though you have to do so through the manufacturer or in the case of Shimano via an lbs that has a Madison account so they can create a job number for it.
When my motors went the first one was an 8 week wait with CRC before I gave up with them and went direct via lbs with Madison, who turned it around in 10 days. The new motor did have a fresh 2 year warranty direct from Shimano from the date of the warranty
At the moment its only Specilized who allow shops to keep spare motors in stock, and give the shop the ability to change them if they think its a warranty issue - this is why the likes of Berkshire Cycles, Freeborn and Raceco can turn around a motor swap so quickly.
Currently Shimano and Bosch require a suspected faulty motor to be returned to them first for testing, though you have to do so through the manufacturer or in the case of Shimano via an lbs that has a Madison account so they can create a job number for it.
When my motors went the first one was an 8 week wait with CRC before I gave up with them and went direct via lbs with Madison, who turned it around in 10 days. The new motor did have a fresh 2 year warranty direct from Shimano from the date of the warranty
Martinintirol
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Yes, and I am a Brit living in the EU buying an American bike... Thankfully the LBS (and there are quite a few LBS's here that are twats) are pretty damn decent. They actually called a Rockshox warranty for me on a bike purchased from a different LBS and 1 year out of warranty. Replacement fork and no labour charge either. That's why they are getting my money for my first Emtb.
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Warranty and consumer rights are different. Warranty is a minimum for 2 years inside the EU. Consumer rights are actually not limited but something of high value is 6 years or more. Consumer rights are contract rights with the person you paid for the goods. If the manufacturer is also the retailer then essentially your warranty is 6 years or more in effect. The burden of proof is different but I have yet to see a company come to court to argue. It's too expensive to fight for them.
Is berkshire cycles going to keep replacing your motor for free after 2 years? No chance. Could you force him? Yes most likely. Is it fair? I'd say not really. Is it fair on you? Also no.
The reason specialized allow motor replacements so easily is because they know their motor has some serious reliability problems. It wont be long till the first Levos run out of warranty and then just wait until the complaints start.
Most people are ignorant to their rights and the laws that protect consumers.
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They ran 2.6 eddy current tyres on all the bikes. That is quite different to 2.8 dhr thin wall tyre on the back.
I've had a couple of replacement Bosch motors. Each time the dealer plugged it in to the computer and then let me take the bike away to still ride (noisy bearings but still rode fine.)
He then rang me when the new motor arrived and i dropped bike off and he replaced it that day.
For Risk mitigation i will keep my Levo 2019, would not have the balls to live in Norway and risk missing out on several weeks of good riding while in worst case have to send the bike/motor/battery back to YT in Germany.
An other question, did not see the battery downtube cover as a replacement part. What do you do for downtube protection? Is the current cover burly enough?
An other question, did not see the battery downtube cover as a replacement part. What do you do for downtube protection? Is the current cover burly enough?
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What you going to do next year with no warranty?
I dont get why you think the YT has any better warranty than the Levo, or any other EMTB for that matter? On the motor Side of things it has a 2 year warranty, same as the Levo? Shimano simply won't warranty a motor if it is over two years old. Having gone through 2 replacement motors with Shimano I know that you have to provide clear evidence of date of purchase to prove it is within warranty.
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Have I not already explained this in the huge post above?
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