Whyte Karve Evo

I disagree, a lighter enduro ebike can feel very capable, planted but also manoeuvrable and poppy. This isn’t all down to weight, as kinematics, geo & suspension setup play a big part, but less weight helps.

In my opinion a non electric enduro bike is more fun on the downs than an eeb, due to the weight penalty. These margins are getting smaller though due to lighter motors & batteries etc.
Seconded - I think my Nukeproof mega feels *better* than my Orbea Rise because of it (and that's a light e bike). I've ridden heavier e bikes and yes, they'll thunder through stuff in a straight line but they take more effort to ride and are more tiring as a result (I feel it more in my shoulders afterwards). Some of that is weight distribution - if the weight is really low it's different (I had a Pinion bike) and that's where DH riders add weights (and the Orbea Rallon). I could definitely feel the RE weight on my mk1 Rise and it was only 1.5kg.

The difference should be less than 10kg - Avi motor and 800 battery is 6kg - but I do think theres a sweet spot around 20-22kg and I reckon theres a kg to be saved on a Karve *without* compromising performance which would be worth having.

On the other stuff I don't think theres 3kg between the Karve and the Karve Evo. The only spec differences are the suspension and the rear triangle material (and full 29 will be heavier than mullet). A kg at best. I'd love it to be 3kg but you look at the parts and tell me where that weight saving is going to come from - I just dont see it

"A lighter ebike also means more range."

Not to any appreciable extent. My partner is 20kg lighter than me and I've riding mates who are 20kg heavier. A couple of kg on the bike isn't material for range - it's maybe 2% of total system weight.
 
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If you are comparing an enduro ebike to non ebike with a difference of say 10kg, then I will agree it may feel less "manoeuvrable and poppy". But in my experience it's WAY more "planted". And as for "capable" - well those world cup downhill boys aren't adding lead to their bottom bracket for nothing.

But this isn't what people are talking about. They are saying they might buy a different brand, or swap out components to save to save half a kilo. My point is that in a blind test, if you think you can tell half a kilo then you are dreaming!

Seconded - I think my Nukeproof mega feels *better* than my Orbea Rise because of it (and that's a light e bike). I've ridden heavier e bikes and yes, they'll thunder through stuff in a straight line but they take more effort to ride and are more tiring as a result (I feel it more in my shoulders afterwards). Some of that is weight distribution - if the weight is really low it's different (I had a Pinion bike) and that's where DH riders add weights (and the Orbea Rallon). I could definitely feel the RE weight on my mk1 Rise and it was only 1.5kg.

The difference should be less than 10kg - Avi motor and 800 battery is 6kg - but I do think theres a sweet spot around 20-22kg and I reckon theres a kg to be saved on a Karve *without* compromising performance which would be worth having.

On the other stuff I don't think theres 3kg between the Karve and the Karve Evo. The only spec differences are the suspension and the rear triangle material (and full 29 will be heavier than mullet). A kg at best. I'd love it to be 3kg but you look at the parts and tell me where that weight saving is going to come from - I just dont see it

"A lighter ebike also means more range."

Not to any appreciable extent. My partner is 20kg lighter than me and I've riding mates who are 20kg heavier. A couple of kg on the bike isn't material for range - it's maybe 2% of total system weight.
Yeah "closer to 3kg" might be an overestimate, but im just going on the little info we have from Whyte. I seen a insta post from Whyte saying the EVO RSX in L is weighing in at 24.6 kg without pedals, so we 're talking 25. Im sure i read somewhere that the 160/160 was 21 point something, but I agree with what you're saying where would that weight saving come from?

Im getting a medium EVO rsx, Ive already got lighter wheels and i'll change a few components to hopefully get it down to approx 23kg. This is 2 kg lighter than my current bike, this will be a noticeable upgrade for me.
 
Seconded - I think my Nukeproof mega feels *better* than my Orbea Rise because of it (and that's a light e bike). I've ridden heavier e bikes and yes, they'll thunder through stuff in a straight line but they take more effort to ride and are more tiring as a result (I feel it more in my shoulders afterwards). Some of that is weight distribution - if the weight is really low it's different (I had a Pinion bike) and that's where DH riders add weights (and the Orbea Rallon). I could definitely feel the RE weight on my mk1 Rise and it was only 1.5kg.

The difference should be less than 10kg - Avi motor and 800 battery is 6kg - but I do think theres a sweet spot around 20-22kg and I reckon theres a kg to be saved on a Karve *without* compromising performance which would be worth having.

On the other stuff I don't think theres 3kg between the Karve and the Karve Evo. The only spec differences are the suspension and the rear triangle material (and full 29 will be heavier than mullet). A kg at best. I'd love it to be 3kg but you look at the parts and tell me where that weight saving is going to come from - I just dont see it

"A lighter ebike also means more range."

Not to any appreciable extent. My partner is 20kg lighter than me and I've riding mates who are 20kg heavier. A couple of kg on the bike isn't material for range - it's maybe 2% of total system weight.
Being somewhat of a pedant I cross checked the exact weight difference between the components on their manufacturers websites to see true difference between the 180 Evo and 160:

The Zeb is 288 grams heavier than the Lyrik, but the 27 wheel is 57 grams lighter, and the tyre is 80 grams lighter. So that makes the Evo just 151 grams heavier plus the rear triangle being alu rather than carbon. I then weighed the rear triangle (alu) of my old bike as its in bits, and its just 450g. So if a carbon one is half that then this makes the Evo just 0.5kg heavier.
 
Being somewhat of a pedant I cross checked the exact weight difference between the components on their manufacturers websites to see true difference between the 180 Evo and 160:

The Zeb is 288 grams heavier than the Lyrik, but the 27 wheel is 57 grams lighter, and the tyre is 80 grams lighter. So that makes the Evo just 151 grams heavier plus the rear triangle being alu rather than carbon. I then weighed the rear triangle (alu) of my old bike as its in bits, and its just 450g. So if a carbon one is half that then this makes the Evo just 0.5kg heavier nice

Being somewhat of a pedant I cross checked the exact weight difference between the components on their manufacturers websites to see true difference between the 180 Evo and 160:

The Zeb is 288 grams heavier than the Lyrik, but the 27 wheel is 57 grams lighter, and the tyre is 80 grams lighter. So that makes the Evo just 151 grams heavier plus the rear triangle being alu rather than carbon. I then weighed the rear triangle (alu) of my old bike as its in bits, and its just 450g. So if a carbon one is half that then this makes the Evo just 0.5kg heavier.
Nice one. What about the shock, brakes & drivetrain? All in it must be around 1kg a difference right enough.

Im happy I went with the EVO RSX if that’s the weight penalty for the full enduro/dh machine. I’ve flip flopped a few times over the last couple of months.

Have you noticed Whyte are focusing on pushing the 160/160 over social media? It’s like they’ve forgotten about the EVO.
 
Nice one. What about the shock, brakes & drivetrain? All in it must be around 1kg a difference right enough.

Im happy I went with the EVO RSX if that’s the weight penalty for the full enduro/dh machine. I’ve flip flopped a few times over the last couple of months.

Have you noticed Whyte are focusing on pushing the 160/160 over social media? It’s like they’ve forgotten about the EVO.
Both the Karve and Karve Evo have Mavens and T Type drivetrains. No difference there.

I don't think they are pushing the 160 bike more than the Evo it's just that it has been announced more recently.
 
Both the Karve and Karve Evo have Mavens and T Type drivetrains. No difference there.

I don't think they are pushing the 160 bike more than the Evo it's just that it has been announced more recently.
Rear shock?
 
Both the Karve and Karve Evo have Mavens and T Type drivetrains. No difference there.

I don't think they are pushing the 160 bike more than the Evo it's just that it has been announced more recently.
Just the fork, shock and rear triangle then.

All the latest clips are of the 160/160 bike at Eurobike 26. Plus Rob did a walk round of sorts of that bike. I know I’m probably just being pedantic tbh.
 
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Just the fork, shock and rear triangle then.

All the latest clips are of the 160/160 bike at Eurobike 26. Plus Rob did a walk round of sorts of that bike. I know I’m probably just being pedantic tbh.
Because they unveiled the Evo back in April. Newer reveals will always get some more exposure.
 
Tbh the the 160 travel bikes look better as the Karve's bright blue frame and red Zeb just don't work, but still have no regrets ordering the Karve Evo RSX as I think it will be a beast, im 90kgs so prefer the more sturdy 180 travel, but the 160 looks better
 
Tbh the the 160 travel bikes look better as the Karve's bright blue frame and red Zeb just don't work, but still have no regrets ordering the Karve Evo RSX as I think it will be a beast, im 90kgs so prefer the more sturdy 180 travel, but the 160 looks better
Agree on the Evo Rsx colours - this is why Ive ordered the Evo RS instead, and have a few upgrades waiting to be installed, which I think will also save me quite a bit compared to the extra 2000Euros for the RSX. To the base model I am adding:

- Thicker brake rotors (I do live in the alps) 80€
- 3.2 Damper upgrade to bring to Ultimate spec 350€
- Vivid Coil Ultimate (2025) 350€
- Ridewrap 145€

So Im saving over a grand on the RSX and get a colour I prefer.

Other things Im not getting that the RSX has:
- ASX gears because I dont like electric shifting. Much prefer manual, but accept I dont get coast shift.
- Better wheels set - but Im probably gonna full 29er it at some point, so will change then.
- Fast charger. But I only charge overnight so dont need fast, and Ive read they are REALLY bad for you battery if you only ever fast change.
- Maven brakes - Ill leave as Base rather than upgrade, as I've read Base are more powerful, and you can change to the other levers if I want later.

So this is what works for me - or anyone spot anything Ive missed..?
 
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Tbh the the 160 travel bikes look better as the Karve's bright blue frame and red Zeb just don't work,
Each to their own. I think the blue and red looks great. I’ve a Karve Rsx ordered but the dull paint job is the thing I like least about it.
 
Each to their own. I think the blue and red looks great. I’ve a Karve Rsx ordered but the dull paint job is the thing I like least about it.
I now think the blue looks brilliant, it really stands out compared to all the other avinox bikes. I would prefer the black forks though tbh, but it’s not a deal breaker.
 
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I just watched it, made even more excited for my RS! Bittersweet though, as my RS was due Thursday last week, but it's been delayed with all the shipping disruptions.
When has it been delayed until?

Wish Neil has went into more detail about the actual bike & less about the motor. We know about the motor, there a million vids out there already 😂

The bike does look good though. Looking forward to Rob getting a hold of it. @Rob when are you getting a bike?
 
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When has it been delayed until?

Wish Neil has went into more detail about the actual bike & less about the motor. We know about the motor, there a million vids out there already 😂

The bike does look good though. Looking forward to Rob getting a hold of it. @Rob when are you getting a bike?
They couldn't give me a fixed time, said about delays caused by having to re-route the shipping the long way round Africa (like a lot of things currently).

Yeah, wasn't a lot in terms of review on there, but was at least good to see it in action.
 
Its a piss poor review of the bike, based more on the testers life and experience, load of bollocks, click bate, nothing about how bike rides or behaves or positives and negatives, waste of time
There sponsored by whyte right? I don't think embn /gmbn have ever done reviews.

Maybe mbuk might review, doubt pinkbike would as theres non in America
 
I just watched it, made even more excited for my RS! Bittersweet though, as my RS was due Thursday last week, but it's been delayed with all the shipping disruptions.
Or they sent it to an influencer and made you wait for the next batch :D
 
Its a piss poor review of the bike, based more on the testers life and experience, load of bollocks, click bate, nothing about how bike rides or behaves or positives and negatives, waste of time
Very annoying video, first person to test it but didn’t tell you nothing new about it.
 
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