Where does Avinox go from here?

[FrogSkunk]

While everyone is thinking about April 9th, I keep finding myself wondering where Avinox actually goes from here. There’s always room for small improvements like weight and durability, but it feels like we’re getting pretty close to the limit on power.

If the rumored M2S numbers are even close to accurate, isn’t the motor already at (or past) that imaginary line that’s been floating around? So what do they do in the next 12–18 months to keep the momentum going?

I’m sure battery tech will continue to improve, and maybe there’s more to be gained with sustained power or heat management, but I keep coming back to the motor itself. How much further can they realistically push it?

Could they go the gearbox route at some point? Maybe, but knowing DJI that doesn’t seem like the direction they’d take anytime soon. Either way, it’s been a pretty wild year already.

I mean seriously, what do they even do next year to top this?

 

[Highland Wheels]

Less weight, more efficiency and smaller/lighter batteries

 

[FrogSkunk]

Less weight, more efficiency and smaller/lighter batteries

I suppose I would be excited about that if the jump was significant. Hopefully they continue the backwards compatibility as well.

As for Amflow themselves, it doesnt appear they are releasing an enduro bike on the 9th. They could create tons of interest with a 160/170 bike.

 

[Polar]

Avinox could also be working on a totally new motor being released within a couple of years if the power hype keeps going up.

 

[Astro66]

Next bike I buy, will have an Avinox MGU. There is nothing else left needing improvement. Just need to ditch the derailleur and chain. Replaced with instant shifting belt drive.

The Pinion is too heavy and not powerful enough. Avinox will solve this.

 

[Rando_12345]

I don't know much about the feasibility of the actual electronics, but considering the current advantages they have in packaging, weight + power:

We could extrapolate that they could probably make a TQ60 or Bosch SX competitor at a similar weight (just under 2kg) but with closer to 80Nm/800W. Similarly, they could package an SL battery of 470Wh at around 2kg today. That would allow full enduro builds with real parts just under 20kg with what we used to consider full power...

Basically, get something like the Orbea Rallon RS, but with usable motor and battery.

 

[John_likes_bikes]

Pretty much the same direction as all other motor manufactures at the moment: lighter, smaller and more efficient motors, better UI/app, new and updated tech features and hope new battery tech trickles down. Anything out now has lots of room for improvement.

 

[Mjsinclair02]

solid state is the next logical step in the future of EVs, including cars, bikes, etc.

 

[Rando_12345]

On the mgu side, I wonder how easy it would be to have a 2-3 gear MGU to pair with a sram 7speed DH drivetrain. But people probably don't care about cassette weight as much as I do..

 

[DylanJM]

On the mgu side, I wonder how easy it would be to have a 2-3 gear MGU to pair with a sram 7speed DH drivetrain. But people probably don't care about cassette weight as much as I do..

Nah, if you are gonna go to the effort of making an MGU then you may as well go all in. If your motor is 1000w+ then you can probably get away with a 6-8 speed MGU and simplify it that way. You wouldn't the 12sp of the Pinion with that power I don't think.

 

[Ndanger]

One obvious direction going forward would be increasing the system voltage. Avinox manages to pull off "full-power" performance while using a voltage that I would consider "commuter grade." Avinox system operates at a nominal 36V. This is an interesting choice as some brands have moved toward what should be an industry standard of 48V or 52V systems to reduce heat and improve efficiency under heavy loads.

Avinox’s 36V system is compensating for charge time by using a 12A Fast Charger (508W), to solve the 36V "slow charge" problem. A 48V or 52V system is technically a better choice because it requires fewer Amps to produce the same Wattage (Watts=Volts×Amps). Lower Amps mean less heat IR losses, “resistive” Loss (often called "Copper Loss" in motors and transformers). If you double the current (I) going through a wire, you don't double the heat, you quadruple it. The “I” represents (I = Current (Intensity), the "flow" of electrons (Amps).

More Amps mean significantly more IR heat. This is why some eMTB motors "throttle" or cut power up a long climb, they are literally trying to keep their internal copper windings from melting. Avinox seems to manage the 36V current through better cooling, solving the heat problem with hardware while solving the charging problem with a higher cell charging rate.

 

[ntm95]

While everyone is thinking about April 9th, I keep finding myself wondering where Avinox actually goes from here. There’s always room for small improvements like weight and durability, but it feels like we’re getting pretty close to the limit on power.

If the rumored M2S numbers are even close to accurate, isn’t the motor already at (or past) that imaginary line that’s been floating around? So what do they do in the next 12–18 months to keep the momentum going?

I’m sure battery tech will continue to improve, and maybe there’s more to be gained with sustained power or heat management, but I keep coming back to the motor itself. How much further can they realistically push it?

Could they go the gearbox route at some point? Maybe, but knowing DJI that doesn’t seem like the direction they’d take anytime soon. Either way, it’s been a pretty wild year already.

I mean seriously, what do they even do next year to top this?

Mid power.

 

[ntm95]

solid state is the next logical step in the future of EVs, including cars, bikes, etc.

Lol, welcome to the year 2000.
Don't hold your breath.

 

[Wojtek]

Less weight, more efficiency and smaller/lighter batteries

+ more reliable
+ quieter
+ serviceable with more local support/ parts available

 

[Pizzman]

Some sort of button or geo fenced rocket assist. KOM rocket.
The
Strava V

 

[FrogSkunk]

.

+ more reliable
+ quieter
+ serviceable with more local support/ parts available

Hopefully this M2S corrects the rattle issue as heard on the M1. Besides the rattle, is the motor whiny? I know my Gen 3 Levo sounds like a Temu supercharger…

 

[Powerslider]

If we're predicting where Avinox goes next year, I'd guess improvements in software only; unless a flaw in the M2S needs a hardware fix.

 

[ZR1]

Reliable lighter bikes with more battery capacity are what i'd like to see progress from all motors systems

Would also like to see better use of screens e.g. GPS navigation, mtb specific trail mapping, training tools, timing etc

 

[Deleted member 37410]

MGU and self serviceability and they got my money

Edit: Oh and keeping "NZ mode" or equivalent is necessary for my riding

 

[RoJo]

I'm with others: 100% gearbox. Standard derailleur arrangement is wholly unsuitable in this arms race. I destroy the whole drivetrain in 1000miles with Bosch, goodness knows how soon with Avinox, I'm sure other will have stories to share...

 

[FrogSkunk]

Would also like to see better use of screens e.g. GPS navigation, mtb specific trail mapping, training tools, timing etc

I believe the new Avinox will have on screen navigation. How good it will be should be interesting.

Edit: Oh and keeping "NZ mode" or equivalent is necessary for my riding

Im all for “NZ mode” too. For me, its not about flying around on singletrack, but not hitting the cutoff when pedaling Into a jump.

 

[Wah]

There is an interesting discussion about mtb innovation on the Worldwide Cyclery podcast from last month that touches on these topics.

 

[Mjsinclair02]

Lol, welcome to the year 2000.
Don't hold your breath.

Toyota releases their first production SS EV in ‘27 soooooo we ain’t that far off.

 

[Scott_123]

As other have already said. Power has been achieved. Everything is going to get lighter and smaller, batteries included. The goal for all manufacturers is to bring the smallest best package to the market with the best tech because that is what sells. Unfortunately serviceability will not be on the table. When it beaks you replace it. The manufacturers who succeed will be the ones that provide the best service to the customer at competitive prices.

 

[ntm95]

Toyota releases their first production SS EV in ‘27 soooooo we ain’t that far off.

Again, don’t hold your breath.
Ss has become nothing more than a buzzword, like graphene.
Actual solid state, like graphene, has only ever been achieved in a laboratory setting. It is not currently scalable, and no solution exists. Never mind actually being in production a year from now.

 

[TheKaiser]

As other have already said. Power has been achieved. Everything is going to get lighter and smaller, batteries included. The goal for all manufacturers is to bring the smallest best package to the market with the best tech because that is what sells. Unfortunately serviceability will not be on the table. When it beaks you replace it. The manufacturers who succeed will be the ones that provide the best service to the customer at competitive prices.

I really think that if one motor maker steps up with making their stuff serviceable, it would be a huge compettive advantage. I had high hopes for ZF, with easy oil changes to keep everything lubed, but since they seem to have dropped the ebike project, I'm now hoping that the Gobao serviceability actually delivers.

Having said all of that, I agree fully that, if we have to tolerate a more disposable reality, the company who delivers easy, fast, and reasonably priced replacement motors will be the winner. This BS where the motors obviously have a limited lifespan, but then they don't have replacements in stock when you need them, is going to alienate a lot of people. Not speaking about Avinox in particular here, but just the general trend in certain regions, with certain brands of motors, at certain times. The current availability of Shimano motors for $350 on Aliexpress would make it practical to have an extra sitting in your workshop, for when yours inevitably fails, meaning as little as 1 day of downtime. If we have to use disposable motors, that should be the goal and standard that everyone shoots for. Some of the other stories of $1000 replacement motors and weeks or months of downtime, on the other hand, are grounds for tarring and feathering the motor brand. And that's before we even get into some of the brands changing their mounting standards. So far, Avinox is rumored to be doing this right in regard to backwards compatibility of their new stuff, but the cost, ease, and speed of replacement motors is still a very big question mark in my mind.

 

[nickf]

Having said all of that, I agree fully that, if we have to tolerate a more disposable reality, the company who delivers easy, fast, and reasonably priced replacement motors will be the winner.

I would always prefer to try to repair rather than replace any defective component on my bike. But e-bike motors are complex bits of engineering with a lot of precision stuff packed into a small space, so obviously one of the most challenging DIY fixes on the bike.

Probably like most riders, what I have always feared most on my eMTB is a motor failure as it is so expensive to replace. But, on reflection, the cost of replacing top end SRAM and XTR transmissions with their crazy expensive cassettes and chains and eye watering prices for vulnerable electronic derailleurs makes me reconsider what is actually the most worrying failure point on our bikes. When you can pay as much to replace a top end cassette and chain as to replace a broken motor it makes you wonder where we've gone wrong.

 

[Deleted member 37410]

I have a spare motor for my Kenevo that I swap in, while I send the broken motor for service. This is good enough for me, but according to my research doing that for Avinox for example seems impossible, or at least I cant find any sign of it having been done. Until it is, they wont have me as a customer

This setup for the Kenevo cost me around 1000 € so its not cheap, but for me its totally worth it to be riding again the same afternoon. I skip the whole warranty circus because its just too slow and humiliating for me

 

[Fangs2k]

So far, Avinox is rumored to be doing this right in regard to backwards compatibility of their new stuff, but the cost, ease, and speed of replacement motors is still a very big question mark in my mind.

Unfortunately, and if you follow the activities of DJI more generally, ‘backwards compatibility’ isn’t the same thing as user serviceable (or even shop serviceable) motors/batteries etc.

Sure bike manufacturers need to know what motor and battery mounts they need to be working around, but DJi/Avinox if they go true to form will release new iterations of their products that won’t work on older hardware.

It’s still early in the life for Avinox motors, although you wouldn’t think it from all the noise, but their strategy has always been to drive sales via new releases of whatever, they want you to buy new/new, and have little interest in enabling new/old.

Replacement motors/controllers/batteries at sensible prices is what we can hope for, but even then try buying batteries and other spares from them for some of DJIs older drones, which sold in huge volumes, and it’s quite difficult.

I do think it’s about time that all the motor manufacturers were dragged kicking and screaming to a place where they support their products for more than 3-5 years, spares need to be available if we’re to avoid throwing away perfectly good bikes. I hope Avinox will impress me in that regard.

 

[franciscoasismm]

It's a great predator and it doesn't need more power.
Avinox looks set to keep growing in 2026, but selectively, especially in e-MTB and brands that want to differentiate with power/weight/integration. The motor is already expanding to nearly 30 brands and in 2027 more models and categories are expected, so the technological tailwind seems favorable even if the general market remains weak.